Azawarau Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Nerfing the Tenno Devastates the Tenno. Which is not what The Core of Warframe is supposed to be. The Warframes are supposed to Devastate Massive Armies. This thread is misguided. Players who run 60+ minute survivals, against Massive Armies, report inflicting greater Devastation on Massive Armies with Warframes other than Nova. Nova should be able to Devastate Massive Armies like the other Warframes do, running 60+ Minute Survival, where DE has hidden the Massive Armies. Nova needs to be buffed. She needs to be unnerfed. See, this is Warframe, not what this thread proposes: If this thread were serious about challenge, it would propose challenges. It would talk about The Boss Battles and Desperate Scenarios that Warframe is supposed to have in addition to the The Core of Devastating Massive Armies. But this thread doesn't do that because it's misguided by concepts that do not apply to Warframe, but apply to Gears of War instead. The only thing devastating Tenno is the amount of boredom from nova trivializing content As ive said before, Nova was buffed tremendously with her 4 and needs to be brought in line with other frames This doesnt mean she wont have the ability to kill enemies effectively It means shell be rebalanced to fit more with other frames by comaprison Game balance cant simply be ignored Also your example is 2 years old and more than outdated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGs_Knackie Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 You guess to nerf one WF is a solution? If you want to get difficulty try without Nova instead of ask a nerf which isn't a solution. Why there always are people crying "nerfs, nerfs, nerfs, uhhhhh this WF is so OP". Otherwise leave the game for another one.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePresident777 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 This thread ignores game balance. Here is the proof: Warframe: Developer Q&A , Answer to Question 4: The core is the 4 guys against a massive army. And, generally speaking, they are devastating. The core is not something like in Gears of War where the one on one is something a bit more balanced. One Space Ninja against a whole ship of Grineer is the idea. But, that needs to be balanced by boss battles, and by like desperate scenarios. But, generally speaking, the whole idea of it, even an old ninja (right?) is that the untrained militia get devastated by a single one. Warframe is not Gears of war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azawarau Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 (edited) You guess to nerf one WF is a solution? If you want to get difficulty try without Nova instead of ask a nerf which isn't a solution. Why there always are people crying "nerfs, nerfs, nerfs, uhhhhh this WF is so OP". Otherwise leave the game for another one.. Thats not a solution Thats unfair Gimping yourself And admitting that Nova is overpowered Also there ar far more buff threads than nerf. That doesn't mean things dont need to be nerfed or reworked This thread ignores game balance. Here is the proof: Warframe is not Gears of war. Again that doesnt mean anything it means that the game is balanced around 1 VS many One of the ones isnt balanced with the other ones You have no point Edited January 26, 2015 by Azawarau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealPandemonium Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Warframe is Gears of War on Casual mode, given how much damage our guns do now. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePresident777 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 (edited) Incidentally, taking a dismisive attitude and saying that the original intent of Warframe that DE advertised (at up to $200+ dollars to the founders no less) is meaningless or old really speaks to the lack of Quality that is being proposed in this thread to justify nerfs. Quality lasts more than 2 years. Edited January 26, 2015 by ThePresident777 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azawarau Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Incidentally, taking a dismisive attitude and saying that the original intent of Warframe that DE advertised (at up to $200+ dollars to the founders no less) is meaningless or old really speaks to the lack of Quality that is being proposed in this thread to justify nerfs. Quality lasts more than 2 years. Again irrelevant Youre trying to appeal to emotion instead of making an actual point By comparison Novas ult makes her too powerful compared to other frames 75% slow rate is too high long with everything else she does Noone wants Nova to be unable to do what she does They just want it toned down to line up with other frames Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGs_Knackie Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 (edited) Thats not a solution Thats unfair Gimping yourself And admitting that Nova is overpowered Also there ar far more buff threads than nerf. That doesn't mean things dont need to be nerfed or reworked Nice job and u think a nerf will resolve things? Nova is powerful sure and? Do u want to speak about Valkyr? Stop it plz. Need to buff somes (here I don't speak about Nova) at leat rebalance them BUT DE doesn't need to nerf her.... U loose ur mind dude. She's powerful but look her armor... she's so weak! Edited January 26, 2015 by CGs_Knackie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sekushiiandee Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 ...don't play nova? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azawarau Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Nice job and u think a nerf will resolve things? Nova is powerful sure and? Do u want to speak about Valkyr? Stop it plz. Need to buff somes (here I don't speak about Nova) at leat rebalance them but any case DE have to nerf her.... U loose ur mind dude. She's powerful but look her armor... she's so weak! What does valkyr have to do with anything? Im not sure if youve noticed but Nova Prime has the same shields as trinity with more armor Considering she comes loaded with up to 75% DR for 82 meters i wouldnt exactly call her soft You cant just ignore damage mitigation like that Unless you want to say that trinity, Who can outtank Rhino, isnt tanky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealPandemonium Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Unless you want to say that trinity, Who can outtank Rhino, isnt tanky Don't say stuff like this and risk attracting "that" guy to the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azawarau Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Don't say stuff like this and risk attracting "that" guy to the thread. I honestly have no idea who youre talking about.... Very short memory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGs_Knackie Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 What does valkyr have to do with anything? Im not sure if youve noticed but Nova Prime has the same shields as trinity with more armor Considering she comes loaded with up to 75% DR for 82 meters i wouldnt exactly call her soft You cant just ignore damage mitigation like that Unless you want to say that trinity, Who can outtank Rhino, isnt tanky I agree with u about dmg and crowd control from Nova so rebalance her YES, nerf her NO. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePresident777 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Moving the goal posts: claim nerf Nova because she is supposedly an outlier then when Valkyr is brought up for comparison, ignore Valkyr and compare Nova Prime to Trinity. Let's keep in mind that Mprime benefits the entire party, so it's no use comparing Nova to the rest of the team, they all benefit. Nerfing Mprime nerfs the entire Tenno team, the team which according to DE is supposed to Devastate a Massive Army. This really needs to be stressed because even DE seems to have forgotten about it.: Warframe: Developer Q&A , Answer to Question 4: The core is the 4 guys against a massive army. And, generally speaking, they are devastating. The core is not something like in Gears of War where the one on one is something a bit more balanced. One Space Ninja against a whole ship of Grineer is the idea. But, that needs to be balanced by boss battles, and by like desperate scenarios. But, generally speaking, the whole idea of it, even an old ninja (right?) is that the untrained militia get devastated by a single one. The Core of Warframe is 4 Tenno Devastate a Massive Army and this thread is arguing for the devastation of Warframe's Core. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealPandemonium Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I honestly have no idea who youre talking about.... Very short memory That explains a lot haha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azawarau Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I agree with u about dmg and crowd control from Nova so rebalance her YES, nerf her NO. ;) Thats what ive been saying the whole time Its mostly MR on repeat below thats been screaming nerf this and nerf that Moving the goal posts: claim nerf Nova because she is supposedly an outlier then when Valkyr is brought up for comparison, ignore Valkyr and compare Nova Prime to Trinity. Let's keep in mind that Mprime benefits the entire party, so it's no use comparing Nova to the rest of the team, they all benefit. Nerfing Mprime nerfs the entire Tenno team, the team which according to DE is supposed to Devastate a Massive Army. This really needs to be stressed because even DE seems to have forgotten about it.: The Core of Warframe is 4 Tenno Devastate a Massive Army and this thread is arguing for the devastation of Warframe's Core. OIk now your job is top prove how Valkyr is an outlier in terms of power Im going to ignore that you said M prime helps the entire party because that helps my point with Valkyr way more than id care to admit at this point Im also going to ignore your assumptions that a change to Nova means she wont devastate a massive army because thats just using FUD to make a point. Speaking of points, do you have one? And the last part again is irrelevant as is your quote That explains a lot haha! Im not sure where this is going but OK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisbandisawful Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 The Core of Warframe is 4 Tenno Devastate a Massive Army and this thread is arguing for the devastation of Warframe's Core. you can keep repeating that strawman mate, the thread is actually about nerfing one spell. 'nerf' does not mean something is made underpowered or useless, and nova'd beat up grineers just fine with a reduction in power of mp waving around that quote as if nerfing mp'd make it hard for nova to beat a single butcher is nonsense also the hell are people equating 'nerf' to 'reduce fun', that's not what nerfing is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azawarau Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 you can keep repeating that strawman mate, the thread is actually about nerfing one spell. 'nerf' does not mean something is made underpowered or useless, and nova'd beat up grineers just fine with a reduction in power of mp waving around that quote as if nerfing mp'd make it hard for nova to beat a single butcher is nonsense also the hell are people equating 'nerf' to 'reduce fun', that's not what nerfing is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealPandemonium Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 (edited) Im not sure where this is going but OK Your tendency to get locked into battles to the death with other posters (that you usually actually agree with,) for starters. Edited January 26, 2015 by RealPandemonium Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TypeSaber Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 (edited) you can keep repeating that strawman mate, the thread is actually about nerfing one spell. 'nerf' does not mean something is made underpowered or useless, and nova'd beat up grineers just fine with a reduction in power of mp   waving around that quote as if nerfing mp'd make it hard for nova to beat a single butcher is nonsense   also the hell are people equating 'nerf' to 'reduce fun', that's not what nerfing is Ember players for the last 2 years want a word. Sure they might spend days working on the balance, finding the perfect medium where its ever so slightly weaker but not so much as to ruin the class for people who currently main the Nova. More realistically tho they will shatter the ability into a useless pile of filth, Nerfing implies something is being depowered or reduced in utility. Fun is something you have while enjoying something you love. Something you love getting damaged is not fun. Nerfing is always reducing peoples fun. Re-Balancing on the other hand can lead to more utility or fun in ways that don't break the challenge of the games content or the theme of the original object (IF DONE CORRECTLY) otherwise all that ends up happening is you get a frame that is only fun to people who didn't have a chance to play it beforehand or hardcore lovers of that frame. Furthermore. Stop trying to nerf things that don't need a nerf. if you want a challenging mission make the mission challenging yourself. INFACT they are adding difficulty sliders to the game soon, so maybe when that happens everyone can adjust missions to their own difficulty level, honestly if you want a challenge now do stuff like t4 survivals up to 2 hours ect. Edited January 27, 2015 by TypeSaber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traybong111 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 (edited) Ember players for the last 2 years want a word. I've been Ember main since U9 and I'm not sure if I get this comment. Like, reducing MP's effectiveness is supposed to be parallel to removing Overheat? If that's the case I'd say yes to "nerfing" Nova, because I rarely, if ever, used Overheat. Ember's nigh-impossible squishiness was mainly due to Accelerant bug; while I understand some people's fear that DE might neglect a crippling bug that'll leave Nova difficult to play (because let's fact it, it took them well over a year to fix Accelerant) I don't see tweaking MP as that major or negative of a change. Edited January 27, 2015 by traybong111 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Per_Mortem Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Funny how people reacts when someone attempts to remove their easy mode. Anyways, I agree with OP, +1 there. Yeah! So true Op +1 for me too; however, if they don't want change. They should be a type of "bad guy" that can health their friends and also be able to remove Prime or other tenno abilities from the bad guys. This will make it more challenge because now there will be a priority in killing that enemy and also will always stay behind lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airwolfen Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Easy mode. Hard mode. Does it really matter? Its the same thing as when nerfing the other frames in the past. You really reach next to nothing with it. People are really looking for end game where there is none. So what is the reaction? Nerf the op stuff so it becomes harder. But does that really create End game? Because to me that is just the wrong way of looking at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brynslustafir Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 HOW ABOUT NO? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azawarau Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Your tendency to get locked into battles to the death with other posters (that you usually actually agree with,) for starters. If i agreed with them then there wouldnt be an issue in the first place Alphahorsemen or whatever his name is and Ronyn are perfect examples of that Whether we agree ona broad idea or not doesnt matter if the details are too far apart In alphas case hes entirely against nerfs of any kind which is unreasonable for obvious reasons. His reasoning for everything is ludicrous, subjective, biased, or a mix of all 3 Ronyn argues semantics far too much. I had to ignore that he likes to define everything a certain way just to find anything with him. For example the definition of passive tank as a tank that doesnt attract aggro or mitigate damage for a team directly. we argue that in PMs for a good page. Then there are people who mostly stay on the outside and judge you with their hands folded or are too cynical to really care I dont care for either opinion. If theyve given up or arent interested in trying then they dont really have a say in anything If you treat details like that like therye unimportant then youre just ignoring issues that will pop up in the future Its alot of what i as trying to get to with Ronyn who very often said it was better that we stopped while is aid we either finish this now or it finds itself starting over in another thread. And now weve finished it So unless anyone plans to do the same with me theyre better off wasting time elsewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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