-FV-Wsocks Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 (edited) When the idea was first introduced in the latest devstream, it was introduced as a joke. Later on in the stream we're still not getting an answer to something crucial and completely life changing for a particular frame. Seriously? You promise all these changes to all other abilities that will undoubtedly be buggy when they come out and then you joke about changing the one reason that most players ever play the frame to try to be cute? Please don't. I couldn't not believe the childish grin that was being brandished much to the dismay of many players, taunting us with something that could change the way we play the game and with something over which we have absolutely no control. With all due respect, many of us don't very much care that you wanted to be cute. No need for these girlish squeals. Tell us that a change is coming and that the end result is yet to be announced or yet to be decided on or whatever the case may be. There's absolutely no need to taunt us with these possibly game-changing announcements without any sort of clarity. Um. Nekros is more than just desecrate. People use the other abilities too, you know.Yeah. I know. I've played quite a bit of nekros and I've experimented with playstyles building into each ability specifically for a time (yes, even a soul punch build). The fact remains that Nekros is a staple of long T4 survival teams for his desecrate ability and considering that this is the only semblance of 'end-game' that we have, changing it is going to change the current 'end(ish) game.'What are your thoughts on how this potential change was introduced. Edit: To clarify. This isn't about the potential change of desecrate. It's the method. I don't care that they're changing it. I don't even care that they're not telling us what the change is. I care that it was so freaking smug. You could see the horror on Rebecca's face when it was said that desecrate was going to be changed. The devs aren't so far out of touch with the community that they would think that this wouldn't ruffle feathers. They know and we got laughed at because they know that we're upset for being taunted in such a way. This. This is what bothers me. Edited January 27, 2015 by wearing_socks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishki88 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 I think Desecrate should be nerfed so DE can work on actually make him a "Necromancer." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halser Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 I hope it's something silly like removing the health orbs from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yazeth Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Don't get your knickers in a twist. I doubt DE will actually nerf Desecrate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motorfirebox Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 I think you really need to lighten up, guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-FV-Wsocks Posted January 27, 2015 Author Share Posted January 27, 2015 I think you really need to lighten up, guy. After having played the game for quite some time, you'll have to excuse me if I get a little frustrated that those of us not fortunate enough to be on the Design Council have to sit back and simply watch as this change is made and while we're essentially being laughed at for being bothered by it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VioDuskar Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 I think you really need to lighten up, guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-FV-Wsocks Posted January 27, 2015 Author Share Posted January 27, 2015 I think you really need to lighten up, guy. Gr8 r8 m8. Thanks for adding to the conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imaru Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 After having played the game for quite some time, you'll have to excuse me if I get a little frustrated that those of us not fortunate enough to be on the Design Council have to sit back and simply watch as this change is made and while we're essentially being laughed at for being bothered by it.The design council was completely unaware that any changes were being made to nekros, let alone desecrate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrNonApplicable Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 I hope it's something silly like removing the health orbs from it. ...but he's squishy, team healing and slash procs ... :| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOnlyWarBear Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 I think the only childish action that has taken place is your post there bud. You don't even know the chance, what if it's better. Way to drop a few bombs of profanity, btw. Really makes you look like the "grown-up." No, no. Not child-like, whatsoever. Lmao, get a hold of yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrNonApplicable Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 After having played the game for quite some time, you'll have to excuse me if I get a little frustrated that those of us not fortunate enough to be on the Design Council have to sit back and simply watch as this change is made and while we're essentially being laughed at for being bothered by it. We on the design council actually don't get a lot of activity from the Devs. I mean anyone who payed for founders just for design council is probably thoroughly disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kazeyama Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 They should change desecrate actually and they should fix the underlying game mechanics at the same time. Nekros SHOULDN'T be required for high level content just cause he increases drop rates. That is an artificial solution to the fact that the drop rates for life support are too low in the first place. It is also annoying how nekros is "required" when farming for anything because his kit changes rng. Why even have desecrate at all instead of fixing the rng in the first place. If they corrected drop rates I don't care what they do with desecrate maybe make it an actually useful ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndantony Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Desecrate is working as intended. If anything Nekros and his other abilities need buff. He is one weakest support frame while his stronger counterpart is Limbo. I don't understand about these people. They keep asking for nerf for frames that they don't like to see others using. Too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farris Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 (edited) The design council was completely unaware that any changes were being made to nekros, let alone desecrate. ^ This. It's kinda funny how much info some people think the DC gets in regards to changes. (When In fact that very rarely happens) Oh and wearing_socks Just go and be helpful in the Players helping Players sub-forum, and you'll get into the DC in no time. That's how I got invited.;) , Edited January 27, 2015 by Farris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evanescent Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Dude. Lighten up, and be a bit more polite to the Devs. As a Nekros player I never liked Desecrate-it made him more of a farmer than a Necromancer. I'd rather they make it a passive for nekros rather than have it eat a power slot. As for saying he's a staple for long survivals- Just goes to show that something's wrong with the gamemode if you need to spam a certain power to even progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)theelix Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Dude, you're right. They touched radial blind. It doesn't work at all. It's blocked by windows, people, projectiles, Tenno, the floor and has a ridiculously long casting time, which was a big enough hinderance in the first place, but now that it's a complete freaking gamble if you'll actually stun anything, and they still won't fix it.* *From what I know. In 15.5, it's still utter garbage. Not worth anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobtm Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 I'm probably in the minority but I honestly loved how they handled that topic, specifically the way Scott acted. They don't necessarily need to let us in on every potentially coming balance/rework change. There are a lot of players who'll adamantly defend a broken skill as if their lives are on the line, and I don't see any gain from watching a flood of "X is a bad change". Let DE worry about how to confront and change Desecrate potentially, internally. We'll be there to provide feedback once we play with the change. People kneejerk too much as is, so keeping them (us) in the dark is fine in my opinion. If it's buffs for existing skills it's another matter, and they clearly covered those things because players don't needlessly whine over buffs. They made a smart call as far as I'm concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imaru Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 I'm probably in the minority but I honestly loved how they handled that topic, specifically the way Scott acted. They don't necessarily need to let us in on every potentially coming balance/rework change. There are a lot of players who'll adamantly defend a broken skill as if their lives are on the line, and I don't see any gain from watching a flood of "X is a bad change". Let DE worry about how to confront and change Desecrate potentially, internally. We'll be there to provide feedback once we play with the change. People kneejerk too much as is, so keeping them (us) in the dark is fine in my opinion. If it's buffs for existing skills it's another matter, and they clearly covered those things because players don't needlessly whine over buffs. They made a smart call as far as I'm concerned. Whats your address? I want to mail you a cookie for how well you said that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acos Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 (edited) Nekros should be fun to play, and at the moment I'd argue he is not. He's more like a duty that is forced upon someone similar to cleaning out the latrine, or guarding a hallway. If the drop rate of other things needs improved then it should be. *EDIT: I don't have a lot of difficulty using Excalibur and the revised Radial Blind. Have you tried combining it with Super Jump? I find that often gets around a lot of the line of sight requirements. I still would have preferred if the power grew weaker the further you got away from Excalibur to the line of sight changes, though. Shorter blind duration the further away from Excalibur the enemy is during the moment of Radial Blind. Edited January 27, 2015 by Acos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-FV-Wsocks Posted January 27, 2015 Author Share Posted January 27, 2015 I'm probably in the minority but I honestly loved how they handled that topic, specifically the way Scott acted. They don't necessarily need to let us in on every potentially coming balance/rework change. There are a lot of players who'll adamantly defend a broken skill as if their lives are on the line, and I don't see any gain from watching a flood of "X is a bad change". Let DE worry about how to confront and change Desecrate potentially, internally. We'll be there to provide feedback once we play with the change. People kneejerk too much as is, so keeping them (us) in the dark is fine in my opinion. If it's buffs for existing skills it's another matter, and they clearly covered those things because players don't needlessly whine over buffs. They made a smart call as far as I'm concerned. I don't care that they're changing it. I don't even care that they're not telling us what the change is. I care that it was so freaking smug. You could see the horror on Rebecca's face when it was said that desecrate was going to be changed. The devs aren't so far out of touch with the community that they would think that this wouldn't ruffle feathers. They know and we got laughed at because they know that we're upset for being taunted in such a way. This. This is what bothers me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobtm Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 I don't care that they're changing it. I don't even care that they're not telling us what the change is. I care that it was so freaking smug. You could see the horror on Rebecca's face when it was said that desecrate was going to be changed. The devs aren't so far out of touch with the community that they would think that this wouldn't ruffle feathers. They know and we got laughed at because they know that we're upset for being taunted in such a way. This. This is what bothers me. I suppose we just see it differently. I took that situation as a "joking, jabs amongst friends" thing. You, as noted, took it as a arrogant ploy and mocking action. It's not that I don't see where you're coming from on that situation for sure, and sometimes things like that are odd. This is kind of a grey area since neither one of us can read their minds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taiiat Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 i've said it before and i'll repeat as necessary. as long as Desecrate affects Resources, Life Support, and Mod Drops, Nekros can never be a real Warframe. he'll always be relegated as the AFK farmer in the corner. there's no need for Desecrate to affect those three things, so it shouldn't. a Support Ability should Support, not screw with Drop Chances purely by it's existence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)theelix Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Nekros should be fun to play, and at the moment I'd argue he is not. He's more like a duty that is forced upon someone similar to cleaning out the latrine, or guarding a hallway. If the drop rate of other things needs improved then it should be. *EDIT: I don't have a lot of difficulty using Excalibur and the revised Radial Blind. Have you tried combining it with Super Jump? I find that often gets around a lot of the line of sight requirements. I still would have preferred if the power grew weaker the further you got away from Excalibur to the line of sight changes, though. Shorter blind duration the further away from Excalibur the enemy is during the moment of Radial Blind. No, no it doesn't. For me, it makes it worse for many reasons. 1.) My jump is too high. I jump at 105% power. 2.) The enemies don't detect me, therefore it's not registered. 3.) Enemies with their backs turned to me aren't affected. 4.) Enemies behind other enemies, even by a pixel, are still blocked. 5.) Enemies blocked by bullets and projectiles aren't affected. 6.) Enemies blocked by me (somehow I block my own RB, which really ticked me off one day; nearly failed the mission that took me an hour to complete) aren't affected. If only the people at DE thought like some of the community... That would've been perfect. The guy 25m away gets like a 5 second stun instead of the full 15 like everyone else in the <15m circle. Quick, tell someone at DE. Maybe it's not too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheErebus. Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 (edited) Jesus christ, lighten up man. Do you really need to take the way they said it so personal? I think it's pretty apparent that they think their game is joke by now Edited January 27, 2015 by TheErebus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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