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Edit: sounds good though.

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neat! Looking forward to seeing these changes.

By the way, in terms of reading your graphs, you may want to label your axes (range on the x, chance to hit on y). It just makes it easier to read.

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That sounds great. This new accuracy system gives us an immersive and balanced way to combat enemies. For hit-scan, close combat units will be appropriately deadly when in range. For snipers, it means we can fight them more safely up-close as we should, but they are deadly at their appropriate range.

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This is fantastic! This definitely incereases the thought process of killing enemies giving more strategy to combat.

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Omg omg finally aimbot fixedly. Kill clients as well as hosts!

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The system should incorporate temporal lag. 

 

Let me introduce the concept of temporal lag: 

 

Critical Targets - initially Tenno and Bosses only - would have a Temporal LOG. On each frame of simulation time, the critical target would be on a specific position, moving on a specific vector at a specific speed. This would be be recorded, with a cap. Let's say the game simulation (and netcode) runs at 30 frames per second, this log will have the same pace. It would be capped though, at 300 frames (or 256 or whatever) to conserve resources.

 

Depending on enemy rank, level, eximus-ness, and any variable you can think of that should affect accuracy, the enemy would either:

 

Use the latest sample from the Temporal LOG;

Use a previous sample from the Temporal LOG, T frames behind.

 

T would be higher depending on the factors penalizing accuracy. 

 

Tenno powers which cause slowness would increase the T penalty.

 

The T-penalty alongside the Temporal LOG would be invaluable to reinforce the importance of Tenno's mobility. A Tenno standing still is filling its Temporal LOG with the same value, wasting a potential debuff to the enemy. The faster the Tenno moves, the more it extracts from this potential debuff. 

 

T can be used in new Temporal-based powers to simulate time drift and make Tennos appear to be somewhere else in the eyes of the enemy, or in Dark Sector PvP. 

 

 

Depending on the resource consumption, the Temporal LOG feature can be added to every enemy. 

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Very very interesting.

Thanks for the insight, I looks forward to seeing how this new accuracy system works out.

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Your second graphs axis reach 1.2. 

 

Seeing as 1 in probability is 100% does this indicate that some mobs will get regions of SUPER HITS?

 

I jest, I jest. I assume you just didn't crop those graphs. 

 

However as a former Science teacher I am going to mark you down for not listing your units or labeling your axis. Tut tut.

 

But sounds interesting and more dynamic overall. Should allow us to see more range appropriate "threat-ing" from mobs. 

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This is a great post. I really appreciate you taking the time to explain the current system, especially doing it in a way that is accessible to non-programmers/ statisticians. I also like that you are changing the system in part due to community feedback, or at least I will assume that community feedback played at least some role in the process even if just as a impetus for taking a second look at accuracy.

The new system looks like it will be a nice change to avoid having those corpus crewmen with detron's slaughter Tenno from across the room. I'm very interested in seeing if this will affect bombards/napalms. I'm guessing it won't affect bombards; though I really hope they could be given a maximum range reduction or make their missiles unable to follow you through a doorway then turn 180 degrees and hit you in the back. That would be great.

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Spoilers: this text is nigh-impossible to read on the dark forum scheme.

 

Edit: sounds good though.

copy pasted from doc .... forum isn't formating text good enough ...

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Guys... THIS MEANS NO MORE GETTING INSTAGIBBED BY NULLIFIERS WHILE IN THEIR SHIELDS

*heavy breathing*

 

But yeah that whole "Sneak up on a ballista and it does a 360 noscope on your family jewels" thing going away will be awsome.

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But how does agility affect accuracy? That is what I want to know the most. What are the mechanics of that?

 

Is it straight reduction to the hit chance? Is it additive or multiplicative? Is it applied before or after the range calculation? Is it part of the calculation from the start? What moves reduce accuracy the most, is there even a difference? What is the lowest possible hit chance you can achieve by agility and so on...

 

The ramp up is good, it means that hit and run in and out combat makes a difference for the accuracy. This is the most annoying thing about the old system, that is getting hit THE INSTANT you leave cover no matter how you do so (sprint, jump, fly, whatever). But again, is it based on alertness for each enemy? Or is it reset by losing line of sight? Is it reset instantly?

 

So many questions.

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I'm excited to see new aiming mechanics, but I'm having trouble figuring out just what they are with an unlabeled graph. I'm assuming 1 means 100%, .8 means 80%, etc? And then the marks on the bottom seem like range, but is every tick 5m, 10m, or...?

 

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Pistol graph

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Sniper graph

 

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Good news, I stoped playing because of aimbot, does this mean the bug between archwing and normal gameplay has been resolved ? IIRC since archwing was introduced the npc accuracy went off the charts in the normal gameplay because they had to be aimbot in archwing for a chance to hit anything.

 

So now the accuracy is seperate with each game mode ?

 

thank you

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While I love the fact of not getting insta-gibbed by Nullifiers and Ballistas anymore, like others, I still want to know how agility and parkour affects this system, or if it was taken into consideration when creating it. I don't see anything in the post mentioning how it works

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