Kartumterek Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 YAAAAARGH, IVE COME TO PILLAGE YER BOOTY WITH ME TENTACLES! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J1ffyLub3 Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 (edited) you can spam desecrate. you can't really spam hydroid's ult desecrate can affect enemies torn in half. hydroid's ult can't desecrate affects stuff that's already dead, hydroid's ult needs to kill the target (which means sitting idle and waiting for the ult to kill everything) desecrate is just all around better imo. don't get me wrong, the hydroid augment is really good, but since i don't play hydroid id rather have a nekros on my team Edited March 10, 2015 by J1ffyLub3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamienTokala Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 ^. That said, In a void, Pilfering Tentacles are strictly better than Desecrate. Desecrate has a 0.6*0.9 = 54% chance for 1 extra drop. Tentacle Swarm has 1+Power Strength extra drops. But Tentacle Swarm needs to deliver the last hit (which pretty much limits it to sub-20~25 content to begin with), and its damage is reliant on the tentacles hitting, whereas Desecrate can 'feed' off any kills. tl;dr PT's much more restrictive to use but more potent, Desecrate's hugely less demanding to use, but less lucrative. ------ Sure, but you're passing up TF + BR for another up to ~150% drop chance, and your tentacles will do that much less damage (meaning less likely to last-hit). I disagree, since I have zero problems with my tentacles killing a target unless the level goes past 50. This build has allowed for excess gallium from nef anyo, it has allowed me to clear out 1500 pigment requirements in a single mission, it allowed me to solo the first two Phoenix interception missions, but it struggled greatly during the escalation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J1ffyLub3 Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Desecrate never really made much sence to me from a Necromacer theme , so the tentacle swarm aug is slightly ahead for the pirate theme. i mean he is turning dead bodies into loot sure it isn't summoning zombies, but it definitely fits the theme of death behind necromancy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartianJellyfish Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Why not both?! This wasn't planned, by the way. I was doing a test run with this mod and a random Nekros player joined. Then I was going to take a selfie of my Hydroid doing what he does best, and Nekros suddenly jumped into the shot. Think it turned out pretty cool, thank you random Nekros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkerTheSpjot Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Why not both?! This wasn't planned, by the way. I was doing a test run with this mod and a random Nekros player joined. Then I was going to take a selfie of my Hydroid doing what he does best, and Nekros suddenly jumped into the shot. Think it turned out pretty cool, thank you random Nekros. Nice pic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoboDoge Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Bootyhunter Hydroid sounds like something from Hentai. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epicagemo Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 I've tested hydroid's against infested... And it just SUCKS! I mean only when the heavies come out... So for long run infested, nekros. Otherwise organized farming with hydroid, is much much better. (Camping) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chroia Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 I disagree, since I have zero problems with my tentacles killing a target unless the level goes past 50. Fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
achromos Posted March 10, 2015 Author Share Posted March 10, 2015 I disagree, since I have zero problems with my tentacles killing a target unless the level goes past 50. This build has allowed for excess gallium from nef anyo, it has allowed me to clear out 1500 pigment requirements in a single mission, it allowed me to solo the first two Phoenix interception missions, but it struggled greatly during the escalation. Hmm... what build do you use? Max'd power strength I'm guessing, absolutely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taiiat Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Sure, but you're passing up TF + BR for another up to ~150% drop chance, and your tentacles will do that much less damage (meaning less likely to last-hit). thank you for understanding the problems rather than being ignorant and calling other people trolls just because you don't understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kvzakau Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 If Hyroid's tentacles don't kill it nothing happens.. I don't think anything has died from my hyroid's ulti. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oranji Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 booty multiplication is not inherently bad for a game that involves farming. eastern game developers know this better than just about anyone (as shown in classic grinding MMO's like Ragnarok online and the soon-to-be-released Tree of Savior) No, you are not 'forced' to use it. It's a luxury that rewards you for spending your time and effort to get a certain frame. It's very possible to play the game without hydroid or nekros. Most people do. @off topic. Glad to see that som1 else knows bout tree of savior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarozian Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 (edited) Bootyhunter=Valkyrhunter Is that Chroma? Yes and hes gonna stick it up that booty and blow! Like dis! Edited March 10, 2015 by Zarozian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBones Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 I am all about the #NekrosMasterRace personally. Hydroid is my second favorite frame though, purely for the support potential of the powers. Not sure I would waste a mod slot on the loot grabbing though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tymerc Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Desecrate should be removed, or reworked into something else, honestly. It's unfair for Nekros players that get trapped pressing 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoboDoge Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Desecrate should be removed, or reworked into something else, honestly. It's unfair for Nekros players that get trapped pressing 3. Nekros needs serious reworking on other powers, not Desecrate. He needs a rework that will stop him from being one trick pony and offers different styles of gameplay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ra9una Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 I've always loved the idea of loot frames. They give 'merchant' play-styles a place in action games. As for which one. I'm a nekros guy, love the hell out of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkerTheSpjot Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 If Hyroid's tentacles don't kill it nothing happens.. I don't think anything has died from my hyroid's ulti.Then you did something wrong, buddy. Since hardly anything ever walks away from my Tentacles alive, unless it's Stalker, bosses or some high level mobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draciusen Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 (edited) Nekros needs serious reworking on other powers, not Desecrate. He needs a rework that will stop him from being one trick pony and offers different styles of gameplay. This. All frames generally have 1 or 2 go-to abilities that are used almost constantly, a single useless or incredibly niche one, and one that's either made useless with certain builds or just forgotten in general. Limbo and Banshee however are the first frames that come to mind where all the abilities have a use in every situation, other than that it's mostly one/two-trick ponies. What makes Nekros different is that his one-trick is possibly the most boring one there is, and requires constant use. Loki's Radial Disarm is something that has to be used constantly, but its effects are game-changing and immensely satisfying every time, even moreso with Irradiating Disarm. Room nukes like Bladestorm, Peacemaker, Radial Javelin, and Miasma generate dozens of kills, which is also quite satisfying. While Desecrate spamming on Nekros is something that is extremely potent and vital for efficient farming, it doesn't feel good to use. You don't feel like you're playing the game, you feel like you're exploiting it. Leave it in the game as an option for people who really want to get the most out of everything, but give Nekros some other utilities that open up new opportunities for you to play the game, not just farm it. Soul Punch is bleh, fantastic with Soul Survivor though. Terrify doesn't have nearly the same potency as Silence, Chaos, Radial Blind, etc. Shadows of the Dead is still a novelty at best, and can help with revives if not for Soul Survivor Edited March 11, 2015 by Draciusen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weak_man_small_hands Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 (edited) I'm all about the desecration. Nekros is easier to get. Not any more, Hydroid drops from Vay Hek as a normal boss on Earth now, whereas Nekros is still from Lephantis. Edited March 11, 2015 by Jimjoebob27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ritchel Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 desecrate from hyrdoi's tentacles is 100% chance just set your duration low so u can spam on low-mid lvl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inez Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 'loot multiplication' is harmful to the game and by it's existence forces Players to use it. the game would be healthier without it. without it 'Drop Rates' can be much fairer for everyone. funny, that people think l00t multiplication is a good thing. when they don't realize that if Nekros can multiply L00t by 3x, then 'drop rates' for good stuff will just be 3x lower than it would otherwise be. You were playing the game before Nekros was introduced. Tell me, did they half the drop rates once Nekros was introduced? Were they halved since the introduction of Pilfering Swarm? Your theoretical problem does not exist, and you've been playing long enough to know this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taiiat Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Tell me, did they half the drop rates once Nekros was introduced?such changes are always possible to have taken place. deducing whether the answer is yes or no is nigh impossible due to Weighted Drop Chances.'datamining' the answer would take years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inez Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 such changes are always possible to have taken place. deducing whether the answer is yes or no is nigh impossible due to Weighted Drop Chances. 'datamining' the answer would take years. Since you're a founder and were playing before and after Nekros, you would have some idea if the drop rates suddenly got halved. If Orokin Cells and Neural Sensors drop rate got halved, it would be pretty easy to tell. If we're talking about mod drops then I'd have to agree with ya, no way to know the drop chance of the uber rares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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