Xikiri Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 (edited) Thank you so much with those immediate PVP changes; and that excalibur nerf, was need it, was a shame to always see people spamming and spamming and sitting just there...what the new generation of warframe players brought upon us :/ "what the new generation of warframe players brought upon us :/" hahah hahahahahah Yeah. It's the new players' fault. /s Edited March 21, 2015 by OutrightMakoto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourWaifuIsNotReal Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Back to Grindframe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlapClown Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 I have two words for what is happening here... are you ready?... no?... here it goes: PERFECT WORLD. Since they signed that contract, they doomed their own game. The first symptom was the random Void Key Pack, very very akin to these "chest" things PW likes to do. I hate PERFECT WORLD more than Nexon & UBI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xenoffense Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 (edited) Nice try with the javelin explanation, it's obviously ONLY because of "exploit" use. IE Draco etc. Change it back Edited March 21, 2015 by xenoffense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebellis Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Excal and Draco isn't about spamming 4. It's about DE putting up a zillion grind walls. Its their game. They created it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkeletalPumpkin Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Everyone that's ever played more end game content knows how useless Excal's RJ can be. It's just an ultimate stun machine and nothing else. So what if it makes early levels easy? EVERYTHING MAKES LOW LEVELS EASY. Now all you've gone and done is made him worthless for high levels (as if we wasn't already with an arsenal we could choose from instead) and worthless for low levels. LoS only makes sense on frames with abilities like Mesa. Space magic shouldn't be hindered by a few people figuring out how to cheese the game. You want to farm rep? Go run a T1 Def for 30-40 waves with mildly powerful frames and you've got a days work done in the same amount of time. Nerfing one popular frame doesn't change anything, you just annoy the majority of your player-base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killall.s Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 U destroy this game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stillbjorn Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Controller hacking for Grineer consoles is still broken; having to put down the controller to swap out a keyboard just for hacking kinda defeats the purpose of convenience that controller play offers... i Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADOLINI Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Getting port problems whole day after the update ... Strict NAT detected UPnP not detected bla bla .. ports 4950-4955are open in my router Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SquirmyBurrito Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Thanks DE, I was starting to think I should forma my Excal, but now I don't have to. RIP Excal. "As such, Radial Javelin as it currently stands is functioning as it was always intended to" If it was always supposed to function this way why was the LoS restriction removed after it was initially added with the Viver nerfs? It doesn't add up. Even if it WAS always intended to be LoS, that doesn't make the change any less terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XionNoctis1 Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 i don't know if anyone has commented yet or not but earlier when i was playing i noticed the following things. 1. the bubble for mag wasn't going up when i have shield transference on her. and 2. no energy thing for chroma's vex armor so i don't know if its even working or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tessai117 Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 No idea what Megan was thinking saying this about Radial Javelin. There is actual video proof (dev-stream) where I believe it's Scott that says that after the rework LoS was most definitely no longer intended since the Javelins started spawning around the targets instead of from Excal's sword specifically for that reason. Surely this is a miscommunication within DE? because if they really think we are this stupid I'm quite insulted. I guess Viver never happened either huh? Right on It's really gotten quite hilarious how Excal is being handled. Seriously making Excal interesting to play with is not hard that hard! someone please let whoever is deciding this idiocy know this. A good start would be giving Excal an augment to restore the Radial Blind to its pre-nerf status. Call it Piercing blind or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotherofHermes Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 (edited) I find it interesting that if i read patch notes i wouldn't know that the khom is now: hitscan. has damage falloff. uses ammo faster. removed punchthrough. stealth nerfs are not okay. Please explain this to us other than just "optimization." Had I not read another post about this i wouldn't have known. Please increase documentation. Being that shotgun balance has been on the table for awhile now this feels like a low blow. Edited March 21, 2015 by milesthefox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifield Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Excal and Draco isn't about spamming 4. Yes it is. It's about DE putting up a zillion grind walls. Its their game. They created it. And yet you're complaining that they're making it how they and the vast majority of the players want it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShireDB Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Can i ask why the damage on the synnoid gammacor has been decreased so drasticly its lower then the normal one now? Because Kneejerk reaction nerfs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGlBlaze Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 (edited) WHY!?!?!?! Because it was overpowered (as in it killed everything in one shot) and there was literally no reason to use anything else. Hopefully they also hit Rhino's pvp Iron Skin with the nerf bat a bit because there isn't much reason to run anyone other than him either. I am rather disappointed with all the stealth nerfs going on lately. And I am wondering if Digital Extremes has already forgotten Viver. Edited March 21, 2015 by MGlBlaze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenosHazard Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Wait so what was reason behind the Excal nerf I mean the real reason not that last minute BS excuse the DE gave If he was always meant to have LoS then why revoke it after viver better yet why put it in the game without LoS in the first place.... Actually I just thought of something could it be that they did this to divert our attention away from this lackluster update I mean come on think about it: broken pvp unessesary (probably spelled that wrong) weapon nerfs super grind frame (Croma) clearly unfinished raid mode And overall just lack of content considering the hype leading up to this update (looking at you underwater tile set) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rakshal Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Because it was overpowered (as in it killed everything in one shot) and there was literally no reason to use anything else. Hopefully they also hit Rhino's pvp Iron Skin with the nerf bat a bit because there isn't much reason to run anyone other than him either. I am rather disappointed with all the stealth nerfs going on lately. And I am wondering if Digital Extremes has already forgotten Viver. *sigh* Again, it is a skillful weapon, that is why it one shots. It has travel time and needs to be charged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourWaifuIsNotReal Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 There goes all the formas I spent on Excal... screw this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zagrax Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Mods: This isn't feedback about the nerf itself, and if it doesn't belong under Warframe and Ability feedback, please do not merge it into the nerf megathread and instead move it to general feedback. Thank you. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This thread is me pointing out internal contradictions at DE, and wondering if we could get a bit of transparency. Steve said one thing, Megan says another. I really don't like how these nerfs were played off. Did they think we would forget Viver, and Steve's post that quickly? https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/345295-vivergate-vent-radioactive-gas-yn/ PSA: Excalibur Radial Javelin We understand there is some confusion regarding Radial Javelin’s recent adjustment. Our original version of the power had built in Line of Sight, and was never intended to push through terrain. As such, Radial Javelin as it currently stands is functioning as it was always intended to. We apologize for the confusion this has caused and will do better to communicate these refinements in the future. It was meant to be that way all along. Really? Did you forget that it was overhauled so that it didn't suck by radiating from him and was practically a whole new ability and -now- we are being told this...excuse with no explanation as to the rationale? Steve had to make that post for Viver-gate because of "half baked changes" that were poorly communicated. What just happened now is insulting because you just pushed out those changes -again- without communicating us. And it seems like you did this and tried to sneak it into the update so it wasn't done in the midst of a PR nightmare like Viver. I can only think the worst when all we get is a brief PSA during a hotfix without even as much as why you saw fit to revert it to its "original" mechanics now. Some transparency would be appreciated. My thoughts on the matter - The change to this ability makes sense for PVP. Please revert it to pre-u16 for PVE. Otherwise, just...rework Excalibur completely. This change makes him pretty worthless as other frames do his job infinitely better in every area he dabbles in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishki88 Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 How about the terrain that Excal is in change. So when he ventures into our playing field terrain we won't have to deal with this :^) Why does Excal have LOS in any terrain to begin with? Unless you have attentions to put LOS back into play sometime soon. No> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry_Spider Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 (edited) things that became useless: Excal, goodnight my sweet prince. At least, for a while (kinda not really) Synoid gammacore, guess my marelok gets more love now Kohm, thanks for making a unique weapon boring and not very usefull Amprex has apparently half the crit. Why. I see absolutely no reason to do this. Any form of credit farm, I dont really have much to say. and more to be discovered BECAUSE YOU DIDNT TELL US @(*()$ ANYTHING 2 days ago I was prepared with 140$ in hand to buy prime access the instant it dropped. This kind of thing makes me afraid. What if I spent nearly 900 hours in this game to have it end with the developer not communicating, and worse not listening anymore. I always talked DE up because I thought that they were truly a player driven dev house. Now I dont even know. Edited March 21, 2015 by mlp_midnaspet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helleborr Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Lol are we experiencing a memory loss? Or is it DE? Cal was buffed back to no LoS after Vivergate, and other "adjustments" have been made to let him remain so. And now DE suddenly forgets all that and just out of the blue thinks "Hey, didn't we decide to add LoS to RJ? Oh, yeah, must have forgotten about that. Let's do it!" Really DE? I could say I don't care, I don't play Cal, and I don't farm Draco, or any other "stand in place, press 1 button" missions, but this is an epitome of your MO in recent months: nerf things because of your perceived fear of power creep, nerf everything that eases the grind, make those changes unannounced, don't tell players, don't ask their opinion, don't discuss it with them, because "this is your game, you do what you want with it", and you can always just admit to it in redtext, putting a ":P" at the end, as in "we're not even sorry". Seriously, I don't think I've seen a more unhealthy attitude from developers of a game I actively play ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourWaifuIsNotReal Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 things that became useless: Excal, goodnight my sweet prince. At least, for a while (kinda not really) Synoid gammacore, guess my marelok gets more love now Kohm, thanks for making a unique weapon boring and not very usefull Amprex has apparently half the crit. Why. I see absolutely no reason to do this. Any form of credit farm, I dont really have much to say. and more to be discovered BECAUSE YOU DIDNT TELL US @(*()$ ANYTHING 2 days ago I was prepared with 140$ in hand to buy prime access the instant it dropped. This kind of thing makes me afraid. What if I spent nearly 900 hours in this game to have it end with the developer not communicating, and worse not listening anymore. I always talked DE up because I thought that they were truly a player driven dev house. Now I dont even know. This game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenosHazard Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 ikr the worst part is we had to find all of this out without them even telling us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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