The Op Lex Pistol

[Gladhe8her]

With my current mod setup I can one shot level 25+ Fusion Moa's with it, and score 6 kills on Crewmen in 6 seconds. With my current mod setup on my Braton I can kill level 25+ Fusion Moa's in about 10 shots max, and score 6 kills on Crewmen in about 4 seconds. Yeah, the Lex is OP, but weapons overall aren't very balanced in this game yet. What makes the Lex stand out is on top of it being absurdly strong, its also ammo efficient unlike other non-shotgun absurdly strong weapons.

yes the Lex can kill fast when used properly

[Arcalane]

The thing with the Lex is that it's kinda rubbishy until you max it out and Catalyst it, at which point it becomes an amazing little thing.

 

This is the case with a lot of guns.

 

Which is as it should be, I think. If you can keep your cool well enough to put shots on target with the accuracy required to make the most of the Lex' high damage, then you should be rewarded for that. If someone wants to take the time and effort, and spend the credits, then they should be able to have a gun that kicks &#! and chews gum and can punt enemies into low orbit.

 

But if I'm fighting Infested, I think I'd rather have my Dual Vipers nowadays. Back when they didn't flop around and had relatively 'normal' run animations, popping off headshots or legshots with the Lex was too easy. The new Chargers and other animations have made the Lex much less useful against them, especially at higher wave numbers in Defense.

[Slifar]

The Lex is actually probably the most balanced weapon in the game.

 

On one hand, it delivers high damage per shot, capable of riviling that of a sniper weapon, with pin-point accuracy. With fire rate mods, it also becomes usable in general situations as well, something the sniper weapons arent quite as good at.

 

However, its maximum damage, while still respectable, will never match a fully modded sniper weapon due to how poor pistol crit mods are. It also only has 6 shots per mag, and a decent reload as far as pistols are concerned.

 

In other words, it's cons can be summerized as thus: It has one of, if not THE, lowest damage potential over an extended period out of all guns in the game, main hands and pistols. Also, it doesnt have innate armor pen either. It's good for fighting small skirmishes or picking off distant targets and has the best ammo economy in the game, but you should NEVER use it when you need any sort of extended fire. The reason it seems OP is because it isnt hard for one to draw out a fight long enough for the Lex to do it's job regardless of enemy count, especially since there aren't really any time limits, but it's nowhere near the most efficient way to deal with anything other than small groups of enemies, and trying to use only it during Infested Defense and the like is going to make your contribution negligible.

 

None of the pistols are really OP right now. The closest are the Twin Vipers, Aklato, and Akbolto, but even they aren't OP.

 

The TV have one of the highest damage outputs, if not the highest, in the game right now, but chew through tons of ammo super fast and have a dinky range.

 

The Akbolto do tons of damage with pretty good ammo economy and have innate armor ignore, but have limited effective range, though not as bad as the TV.

 

The Aklato do pretty good damage, and are pretty accurate at range, but they are not the best at either area.

 

All the good pistols really do have cons that balance them, if you look.

 

There are a good deal of UP pistols at the moment though... Like the Sicarus.

Edited May 9, 2013 by Slifar

[Grilleds]

yes the Lex can kill fast when used properly

Anyone who has been playing shooters for years can potentially line up a headshot with the Lex fast enough to score headshots at the Lex's max firerate. Everything moves so slow in this game so it isn't usually an issue.

 

Despite that, I still usually find more use for the Braton at close range. The Braton exceeds the Lex's damage in 4 shots, and do to its absurd fire rate, it greatly exceeds even a max Gunslinger + Multishot modded Lex's potential DPS. The Lex has better accuracy, recoil, and ammo efficiency to compensate. 

[Carcharias]

The title explains itself... The "Lex" pistol is Crazy!!! i have it level 30 and it currently can one shot kill light infected on the planet Europa... Crazy right? Tell me your opinions or any questions you may have! Thanks guys!

Clan: Canadian Gladhe8hers

In my mind for something to be "op" it would have to do that to end game bosses. Single shotting mobs at levels (what is Europa like 25?) that are no where near end level is not "over powered." Do you know the mobs in this game go up to level 60? Even if it did, and I don't know if it does cause I'm not there yet, if any pistol was going to one shot a mob it is supposed to be the lex, that's why it's so slow, so long to reload, and has such a small mag. Is it the pistol version of the sniper rifle.

Which when you think about it is really really nice when you only have two weapons slots. If you want a weapon for distance and close encounters, you can choose to have either your rifle or your pistol slot fulfill either of these purposes giving your greater flexibly in you choice of weapons. When I carry my Paris I bring my Akboltos. Right now I'm rollin with the Grakata and the Lex and it's a real sweat paring IMO. Grakata for close and Lex for distance.

Edited May 9, 2013 by Carcharias

[Argoms]

 

However, its maximum damage, while still respectable, will never match a fully modded sniper weapon due to how poor pistol crit mods are. It also only has 6 shots per mag, and a decent reload as far as pistols are concerned.

 

 

 

So, so wrong... Crits are a horrible way to build one-shot kill weapons (and weapons in general, considering how bad all crit mods are), and pistols have much better mods for damage (hornet strike goes up to 220%, barrel diffusion 120% compared to rifle's 165% and 90%).

 

The only time a fully modded snipetron does more than a fully modded lex is against enemies weak to armor penetration, since pistols have a much weaker armor pen mod. 

[Gladhe8her]

In my mind for something to be "op" it would have to do that to end game bosses. Single shotting mobs at levels (what is Europa like 25?) that are no where near end level is not "over powered." Do you know the mobs in this game go up to level 60? Even if it did, and I don't know if it does cause I'm not there yet, if any pistol was going to one shot a mob it is supposed to be the lex, that's why it's so slow, so long to reload, and has such a small mag. Is it the pistol version of the sniper rifle.

Which when you think about it is really really nice when you only have two weapons slots. If you want a weapon for distance and close encounters, you can choose to have either your rifle or your pistol slot fulfill either of these purposes giving your greater flexibly in you choice of weapons. When I carry my Paris I bring my Akboltos. Right now I'm rollin with the Grakata and the Lex and it's a real sweat paring IMO. Grakata for close and Lex for distance

very true indeed... but if you throw on a fire rate mod the lex can shoot a significant amount of bullets in an allotted period of time. plus the reload mod which can also decrease the reload to a short amount of time... for me im addicted to the lex, i cant get enough of it! 

[Ksdsdf]

 

 

So, so wrong... Crits are a horrible way to build one-shot kill weapons (and weapons in general, considering how bad all crit mods are), and pistols have much better mods for damage (hornet strike goes up to 220%, barrel diffusion 120% compared to rifle's 165% and 90%).

 

The only time a fully modded snipetron does more than a fully modded lex is against enemies weak to armor penetration, since pistols have a much weaker armor pen mod. 

The Crit is very good for snipetron, consider it can give up to 50% chance of crit.

Now, Snipetron beats Lex because of innate armor piercing, so its normal damage is always max.

Snipetron with 165% serration has 100 x 2.65 = 265 normal damage

Lex with 220% hornet strike has 70 x 3.2 = 224 normal damage.

If consider elemental, Snipetron can get AP up to 60%, while Lex can only get up to 30%. Ice damage for pistol is also only 60%, while Snipetron can get up to 90%.  The only thing that Lex beats Snipetron is Barrel Diffusion in damage calculation.

I'm using both weapons, and I prefer Snipetron to take out big and heavy guys, while having Lex for all small fries because of its faster reload, and damage is just enough to kill small ones. If i get swarmed by infected, i just draw out melee weapon and warframe power.

[Argoms]

The Crit is very good for snipetron, consider it can give up to 50% chance of crit.

Now, Snipetron beats Lex because of innate armor piercing, so its normal damage is always max.

Snipetron with 165% serration has 100 x 2.65 = 265 normal damage

Lex with 220% hornet strike has 70 x 3.2 = 224 normal damage.

If consider elemental, Snipetron can get AP up to 60%, while Lex can only get up to 30%. Ice damage for pistol is also only 60%, while Snipetron can get up to 90%.  The only thing that Lex beats Snipetron is Barrel Diffusion in damage calculation.

I'm using both weapons, and I prefer Snipetron to take out big and heavy guys, while having Lex for all small fries because of its faster reload, and damage is just enough to kill small ones. If i get swarmed by infected, i just draw out melee weapon and warframe power.

Lex has 50% more ammo per magazine, while only doing only around 2% less damage once you factor in barrel diffusion.

 

50% crits is bad. You either are able to headshot enemies without the crits in one shot, in which case all the damage from the crit is wasted, or you can only headshot them when there's a crit, wasting your ammo half the time (requiring two shots, which is pretty major when your snipetron only has 4 shots and a long reload time). Against heavy enemies, the snipetron has the absolute worst sustained dps (it's under half of the braton, even if you consider armor piercing it's bad) so it's not a great choice unless you kill them in 4 hits or less (which has a 1/8 chance of your crits completely failing you).

[Emotitron]

The measure of OP in a PvE game is 'everyone is using it'.

 

Is everyone using it? If not, then it is not OP.

[Gladhe8her]

Lex has 50% more ammo per magazine, while only doing only around 2% less damage once you factor in barrel diffusion.

 

50% crits is bad. You either are able to headshot enemies without the crits in one shot, in which case all the damage from the crit is wasted, or you can only headshot them when there's a crit, wasting your ammo half the time (requiring two shots, which is pretty major when your snipetron only has 4 shots and a long reload time). Against heavy enemies, the snipetron has the absolute worst sustained dps (it's under half of the braton, even if you consider armor piercing it's bad) so it's not a great choice unless you kill them in 4 hits or less (which has a 1/8 chance of your crits completely failing you).

My lex only has %120 damage, but %100 crit chance

[Emotitron]

Do they publish stats for this game? I would be interested to see what is getting the most and least usage of all the warframes/weapons/mods.

[KIll3RX15]

Do they publish stats for this game? I would be interested to see what is getting the most and least usage of all the warframes/weapons/mods.

i second this lol so i can be the rebel an use the least used weapons to show it some love >:D

Edited May 10, 2013 by KIll3RX15

[Ksdsdf]

Lex has 50% more ammo per magazine, while only doing only around 2% less damage once you factor in barrel diffusion.

 

50% crits is bad. You either are able to headshot enemies without the crits in one shot, in which case all the damage from the crit is wasted, or you can only headshot them when there's a crit, wasting your ammo half the time (requiring two shots, which is pretty major when your snipetron only has 4 shots and a long reload time). Against heavy enemies, the snipetron has the absolute worst sustained dps (it's under half of the braton, even if you consider armor piercing it's bad) so it's not a great choice unless you kill them in 4 hits or less (which has a 1/8 chance of your crits completely failing you).

50% crit is great for higher level content, when a heavy can literally kill you in one burst. This is talking about lvl 70 and up. Let take gorgon:

Do you think the time for you to start up and finish your whole clip is faster than snipetron 4 shots?  The answer is no.

By the time you finish your gorgon clip, the heavy can kill you already. Where as Snipetron can deal a bit less damage, but also in much shorter time. So conclusion is: Snipetron can has highest DPS, as in damage per second, where as gorgon has highest total damage for over period of time.

 

Snipetron is for purely burst damage, to be able to take dangerous enemies out fast enough. Gorgon is for damage over long period of time.

 

Your way of comparing between Lex and Snipetron as: Lex has higher total damage per clip which pretty much means higher total damage over longer period of time. Snipetron is worst because sustained DPS is lower, due to smaller clip size.  Your argument is based on assumption that you will be safe while shooting, which isn't always the case. If the enemies, (heavies, Miniguns) who can endure your damage a bit and shoot back, i doubt you will stay still and try to shoot it with your remaining bullets in your clip.  If you are able to shoot 3 bullets from Lex before you have to take cover, then I would be able to kill the heavy within the same time using 4 rounds of Snipetron.

 

With the high percent of crit of snipetron, i might be able to take out the heavy with only two shots, when the heavy doesn't have enough time to shoot back at me. I will say: good luck using Gorgon and try to kill Heavies at higher level (70+) without them shooting back at you.

[TennoSkoom]

Agree Fully... but i think it is the best sniping weapon in the game as it currently stands.

 

Sad but undeniably true. I've said for a long time now that the lex is the best sniper rifle in the game, and it's not even a rifle. This is because the snipetron is garbage =( The buff helped the snipetron- but... it still needs a little more before it's up to par.

 

 

Also, in reply to someone else... i challenge you to be effective and efficient with the grakata. No matter how you mod it- it's still an automatic feather dispenser with a 7.5% chance to cause papercuts.

[OoKeNnEtHoO]

It's not just the Lex.

 

Every single weapon is OP in the right hands with the right mods.

[GrayFox]

It's not just the Lex.

 

Every single weapon is OP in the right hands with the right mods.

Agreed.

As many will do, people never run out of things to point out, whether it's for the better or for the worse. Not that I'm annoyed or whatever, it's just sad to see over and over again how people would point things out without a second's notice, saying this and that, that might actually be considered by the devs, where in fact, it doesn't really need a change at all. 

Don't get me wrong, I'm not using lex (used to, just to rank it to 30) and getting butt-hurt over the post, I'm reacting as to the nature of this post, The lex as it is, has it's own pro's and con's to balance it out, the devs themselves are amazed by how the players churn out different mod load outs for their weapons, producing varying results with them, and with that variation and the possible amount of time that player has amassed playing, it eventually will come to an extent where it's the max load out (damage per bullet) can get.

 

 

In short, if you find it OP and want to point it out, please do think more about how it is OP, it MIGHT be OP NOW but have room for future content that can render that lex even useless, depending on how it plays out.

Let me add to the quoted, every weapon can be "OP" it depends on the player's usage of the weapon and the mods, 

[Ksdsdf]

Every weapon is OP if you use it the right way. As right now, Snipetron is consider useless because most people are using it to kill mass numbers of weak enemies. Snipetron has way too high damage per second, over kill for weak enemies. Use secondary weapon like Aklato, akbolto, twin viper, to take out weak ones, save your Snipetron for the heavies. If you haven't run into heavies level 70+, then i bet you haven't seen how useless your gorgon would be when you try to burn it. I took like 50 bullets for my potatoed gorgon to be able kill the miniguns/fusion moas, which the minigun/ fusion moa already shot me half dead before i could kill it. Where as using snipetron, the miniguns/ fusion moa can barely shoot back before i could kill it (2 shots).

[SilentCynic]

I'm of the opinion that your sidearm should balance out your primary. Since I tend to rely largely on my Boltor and Strun, the Lex makes a very nice counterpart.

[Amistyrja]

What if I told you that the Lex was supposed to 1 shot light Infested with damage and fire mods?

 

Goddamnit no. No more nerfing. And shut up about the Lex please before DE sees this topic and suddenly comes to the conclusion that the gun is making Latron/Snipetron/Braton/whatever users analabolished/buttfrustrated and decides to turn the perfectly respectable Lex into a Mk-I Lato with Strun's damage falloff.

[MyXmaN]

Now Lex would be SLIGHTLY overpowered if it was armor-piercing. Even then it would be worse than snipetron.

Its a good sidearm, but not really OMG ITS AMAZING.

[Argoms]

Now Lex would be SLIGHTLY overpowered if it was armor-piercing. Even then it would be worse than snipetron.

Its a good sidearm, but not really OMG ITS AMAZING.

How is it worse than the snipetron? It has almost three times the reserve ammo, 2 more bullets per magazine, a bit more than half the reload speed, and fully modded, only does 2% less damage (against unarmored argets).

[Gladhe8her]

The lex does not rely of crit or weak spots... with %220 hornet strike, %100 bullet diffusion, and %25 armor piercing, and %100 crits this gun can really put out some high damage without having to aim for the enemies weak spot

[Babalenong]

i snipe with my

aww yeah

[Gladhe8her]

i snipe with my

aww yeah

respect man