credit2team Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Ok so this doesn't just apply to this video game. I've noticed that may players gets extensively and irrationality angry when a criticism is made over a game they really like. I'm not sure what to make of this phenomenon. It might have to do with having young player base. Teens and young adults have a tenancy to want or need others to like the same thing they like.For me If I think something is good bad or anything in between I don't need others to agree with me. I certainly don't get emotional involved when someone makes a simple and subjective criticism of the game. People are entitled to their opinions. If you can't read a forum post that disagrees with you (even on a game you love) without getting angry you probably shouldn't post, or at least try to calm down a bit before you post.The devs in this game are especially resilient to criticism. it doesn't seem to phase them at all. I like and respect that a lot. Whats especially odd is that the players are often much more sensitive about that same criticism. If the game designers aren't offended why should you be? It just makes no sense.A quick story. I was hanging in region chat when I made some comments about how I didn't like the voice acting for the Lotus announcer. I said that she sounds a little too much like a valley girl in many of her lines. What was funny was DERebecca was in the chat at the time and she took the time to respond. She wasn't offended at all and even joked around with me (we did some mock up lines done in a valley girl accent). The players though were INFURIATED. Rebecca had to calm them down a bit (shes done this several times for me now). that went quite a ways to earning my respect for her and the other devs. I didn't know she was a community manager at the time, so given that she has no acting experience she didn't do too bad considering. I still would have preferred they use someone with formal training. Also I do think she's an excellent community manager, just not a pro voice actor. TL;DR:Try not to be so upset when someone makes a criticism of this or any game. Maybe they like it as much as you and are just trying to make it better. Even if they don't like it, you shouldn't let it get you upset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddwjp Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Fan boys,:) Any way I think the lotus voice acting is good enough of true game, just they need more lines and umm maybe tweak some of them, Now on to the real question, is the image of the lotus we see, well the lips and jawline based off Rebecca or just imaginary :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
credit2team Posted May 9, 2013 Author Share Posted May 9, 2013 Fan boys,:) Any way I think the lotus voice acting is good enough of true game, just they need more lines and umm maybe tweak some of them, Now on to the real question, is the image of the lotus we see, well the lips and jawline based off Rebecca or just imaginary :p Have you seen her? I don't see a specific resemblance....maybe if she wore pink lipstick and a mask.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
credit2team Posted May 9, 2013 Author Share Posted May 9, 2013 (edited) Also, there is nothing wrong with being a passionate fan of a game, just so long as that doesn't extend to getting angry over every criticism of the game. Edited May 9, 2013 by credit2team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikolaos91 Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 I total agree with your post always they are going to be the fan boys who are super supportive for the game who play and they will never accept someone's else opinion. i really don't get that is like football,basket etc people are doing like crazy is like they own the team and they make millions every day from the team but at the end of the day if they see a player the player he will not even reply to the hello.but i don't really believe the warframe's community is a bad community.From my point of view the warframe community is very good and very friendly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renan.Ruivo Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 (edited) It's mostly young people or people without proper social education. On EVE-Online forums, where the average player is 32 years old, feedback is almost always on point, civil and well debated by everyone. Discussions are almost political in nature, and seldom do people over there attack each other directly (attacks happen, but are so indirect that you need a sixth sense to pick it up and even more skill to rebuke it) Edited May 9, 2013 by Renan.Ruivo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
credit2team Posted May 9, 2013 Author Share Posted May 9, 2013 I total agree with your post always they are going to be the fan boys who are super supportive for the game who play and they will never accept someone's else opinion. i really don't get that is like football,basket etc people are doing like crazy is like they own the team and they make millions every day from the team but at the end of the day if they see a player the player he will not even reply to the hello.but i don't really believe the warframe's community is a bad community.From my point of view the warframe community is very good and very friendly. well, they don't need to accept my opinion (or anyone else's) but they need to not get so upset by it. You can be supportive of a game and make criticisms of it or at least accept that others will criticize it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
credit2team Posted May 9, 2013 Author Share Posted May 9, 2013 It's mostly young people or people without proper social education. On EVE-Online forums, where the average player is 32 years old, feedback is almost always on point, civil and well debated by everyone. Discussions are almost political in nature, and seldom do people over there attack each other directly (attacks happen, but are so indirect that you need a sixth sense to pick it up and even more skill to rebuke it) I had a sense that age might be a factor, but people mature at different rates. There are 16 year olds that act like adults and 60 year olds that act like children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renan.Ruivo Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 I had a sense that age might be a factor, but people mature at different rates. There are 16 year olds that act like adults and 60 year olds that act like children. Exactly, and again coming from EVE i've met both kinds. But to be honest i don't think this has to do with maturity, but rather social education. Those 60 year olds are either bitter jerks or spoiled brats that never grew up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulzscha Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 I'd agree that it's mostly social and environmental factors. As Warframe gets bigger it will inevitably attract more of those raging fans who are lacking in such essentials for progressive social interaction. I guess the best you can do is to stay constructive and steer the discussion in a manner where everyone's arguments are heard in civility. At least that's the ideal outcome you can hope for. Being a moderator myself in three other long-running hobby and enthusiast forums (headphones/audio equipment, metal music, L5R CCG) I've pretty much seen it all. I even got something as extreme as a member reporting another member to me because he was receiving harassing PM's in response to a critical post he made against a particular headphone model. It even got to the point of serious death threats...that's insane lol. So yeah it's all kinds really, like that deranged lunatic. I hope we never get one of those in Warframe. :) But I digress. I play this game to chill out and have fun so I don't allow myself to get all worked up over such things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
credit2team Posted May 10, 2013 Author Share Posted May 10, 2013 wow death threats?I heard DEsteve joking around about some angry warframe players saying "all devs should die" in the live stream. This is kind of odd and scary. all I can think of is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
credit2team Posted May 10, 2013 Author Share Posted May 10, 2013 I'd like to get more feedback on this issue, if any of you have any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluffyBunnySlippers Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 (edited) I'm not a psychologist, but perhaps this kind of phenomena is related to purchase justification? Where someone has spent time and/ or money on something they feel a need to justify that to themselves and others. Any criticism of the product can be viewed as a criticism of the purchaser, and they can become very emotional in the defense of said product. Something like that anyway (like I said, not a psychologist). :) As to your example, obviously without seeing the full context it's hard to be sure, but I for one don't know the reference "valley girl", it might be easy for some to take it that you were trying to be deliberately insulting. Certainly in the UK if I was to say someone sounded like an "Essex girl" it could well be viewed as an insult given the rather negative stereotype that's grown up around that term. Naturally if DERebecca was in the chat at the time it could easily be chalked up to good old-fashioned white-knighting.:) Edited May 10, 2013 by FluffyBunnySlippers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
credit2team Posted May 10, 2013 Author Share Posted May 10, 2013 I'm not a psychologist, but perhaps this kind of phenomena is related to purchase justification? Where someone has spent time and/ or money on something they feel a need to justify that to themselves and others. Any criticism of the product can be viewed as a criticism of the purchaser, and they can become very emotional in the defense of said product. Something like that anyway (like I said, not a psychologist). :) As to your example, obviously without seeing the full context it's hard to be sure, but I for one don't know the reference "valley girl", it might be easy for some to take it that you were trying to be deliberately insulting. Certainly in the UK if I was to say someone sounded like an "Essex girl" it could well be viewed as an insult given the rather negative stereotype that's grown up around that term. Naturally if DERebecca was in the chat at the time it could easily be chalked up to good old-fashioned white-knighting.:) Hmm I don't exactly how they make the mental leap of being judged via their purchase especially when the criticism comes from a fellow purchaser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluffyBunnySlippers Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 Hmm I don't exactly how they make the mental leap of being judged via their purchase especially when the criticism comes from a fellow purchaser. It's not necessarily a conscious act as far as I'm aware. I'm guessing it's very likely to be one aspect of the whole "fanboi" phenomena. However different people are more or less susceptible to this kind of behavior. I'm sure there are those who would consider me a fanboi, certainly I have made posts that I'd acknowledge as such. However I do like the game, and as an individual I would support various aspects of it that are not an issue to me, or that I personally enjoy, against those who suggest ideas that would potentially "harm" my own enjoyment of it. Next thing you know there are people calling you " fanboi". The more emotionally invested someone is, the more likely they are to respond emotionally without thinking things through logically first. Again, as to your example. I've no idea what a valley girl is, it's not a cultural reference that has any meaning to me. As such I have no issue with the voice acting of Lotus. The accent is unfamiliar and carries no definite stereotype which may interfere with my enjoyment of the game. Perhaps if Lotus had a strong west country accent (only using this as an example, no offense intended to the west country Tenno) I'd find it a little odd. As I alluded to in my previous post. Criticizing the voice acting is one thing, but adding in an unfamiliar cultural reference that could be misconstrued as an insult is highly likely to get a "white-knight" response. Basically, in a cross-cultural arena, made up of a broad spectrum of age groups, misunderstandings are inevitable. It's incumbent on anyone posting anything (particularly anything critical) to be mindful not just of what they say, but how they say it. Bearing in mind at all times that language barriers may make some responses appear far more aggressive than they were intended to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
credit2team Posted May 11, 2013 Author Share Posted May 11, 2013 A valley girl is a girl from California with a specific accent they use the terms "like" and totally excessively It not necessarily an insult but its not a compliment. Some people find them attractive other's, annoying and air headed. example: http://youtu.be/Zwrru04nY7Y Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
credit2team Posted May 11, 2013 Author Share Posted May 11, 2013 what is an Essex girl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluffyBunnySlippers Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 (edited) what is an Essex girl? A girl from Essex (a county in the east of England). However the term "Essex girl" carries considerable social stigma due to a stereotype describing "Essex girls" as stupid, air-headed and depraved. There is a whole slew of "Essex girl" jokes that are not particularly flattering. It's just one of those stupid stereotypes that has gained considerable momentum thanks to comedians, television etc. who view such stereotypes as an easy target if/ when they lack the creativity to come up with something original. Essentially a variation of the "dumb blond bimbo" stereotype. Edited May 11, 2013 by FluffyBunnySlippers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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