Letter13 Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Any word on the Exclusives being legitimate? Thanks for clarifying, by the way, just saw some of Letter13's posts. Ah I see. But wouldn't it be a break of agreement if Excal Prime is re-released? He isn't just a PC exclusive, after all, he's an exclusive to those who founded the game. Not to mention, any legitimate word from DE on the China version getting exclusives not limited of cosmetics? No word on exclusives being released/re-released (gear or otherwise) to Chinese players as legitimate or not. It's currently just rumor mill. Even so, DE's promises were to us, the players of the International version (DE's version) of the game. But if the playerbase of the Chinese version is segregated and barred from the version of the game we play (which looks like it's going to be the case), that promise doesn't carry over to that version of the game, especially when it's going to be a separate game with a different publisher. What the Chinese publisher of Warframe decides to do with the content in the Chinese version of Warframe doesn't concern us, because it won't carry over into the international version of the game. Basically, everything regarding any form of exclusives for the Chinese version, be it new exclusive or re-released exclusives, is 100% rumor mill. Even so, it really doesn't concern us, especially if it's two separate versions of the game that are managed independently (DE manages the international version and PW/Chinese publisher manages the Chinese version, and receives periodic updates/fixes to modify/integrate to the Chinese version from DE). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katakuna Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Uh, that Excal Prime pic that everyone's making assumptions about just seems like a fan-made screenshot to use as a smartphone cover or wallpaper. Why, exactly, are people jumping to conclusions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mak_Gohae Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 For those that dont play F2P games.... Another Warframe game being popped out in another section of the planet is not new. Business practices and crap like that has games being published separately in different parts of the world. It's so crazy that there are even times where there is an international version of the game while at the same time having a region specific version. So two versions of the game being playable at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaHorseman Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 No word on exclusives being released/re-released (gear or otherwise) to Chinese players as legitimate or not. It's currently just rumor mill. Even so, DE's promises were to us, the players of the International version (DE's version) of the game. What the Chinese publisher of Warframe decides to do with the content in the Chinese version of Warframe doesn't concern us, because it won't carry over into the international version of the game. Ah I see. But wasn't the exclusive founder items legally bound to those who purchased it? Even if it's international, players from across the world were not allowed to have the items, and justly so. Having them be re-released in the Chinese version (even if they were segregated from the rest of the player base) sounds like some kind of break of contract. But I guess all we can do is wait on DE's word. I commend you for doing your best to quell the unrest the player base is experiencing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letter13 Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 It's so crazy that there are even times where there is an international version of the game while at the same time having a region specific version. It's really not though. Especially when certain countries enforce much stricter censorship of content than others. The version we play is the International version; everyone anywhere can download and play it (as long as their country permits it). But to publish the game and make it available to Chinese gamers, it needs to be modified and released by a Chinese publisher so that it abides by Chinese laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letter13 Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Ah I see. But wasn't the exclusive founder items legally bound to those who purchased it? Even if it's international, players from across the world were not allowed to have the items, and justly so. Having them be re-released in the Chinese version (even if they were segregated from the rest of the player base) sounds like some kind of break of contract. But I guess all we can do is wait on DE's word. I commend you for doing your best to quell the unrest the player base is experiencing. Sort of... yes and no. In respect to our version (the International version a.k.a. DE's version) of the game, the answer is yes. In the case of the Chinese version of the game, it really depends. I would actually hazard to say "no" it isn't the case because the game is being managed and operated by a different company, not by DE. Basically, it's not DE who would be handing out Excalibur Prime or founders gear to Chinese players, it would be the Chinese publisher. This is assuming that DE is giving the Chinese publisher freedom to modify/do what they want with the Chinese version of the game, which is probably necessary anyway in order to have it published to Chinese audiences. But yes, all we can do is speculate. But like I said, because the Chinese version of the game will likely be managed/operated by the Chinese publisher, meaning DE's promises to us do not apply to any agreements between the Chinese publisher and the Chinese playerbase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latronico Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 It's really not though. Especially when certain countries enforce much stricter censorship of content than others. The version we play is the International version; everyone anywhere can download and play it (as long as their country permits it). But to publish the game and make it available to Chinese gamers, it needs to be modified and released by a Chinese publisher so that it abides by Chinese laws. A.K.A. Space Kung fu masters (not ninjas because they came flom damned Japan and we hate Japan!) that fight for Freedom and Justice against the evil capitalism (Corpus) and military empire (USA... ehm, I mean Grineer). Approved by the Comunist Party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mak_Gohae Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 It's really not though. Especially when certain countries enforce much stricter censorship of content than others. The version we play is the International version; everyone anywhere can download and play it (as long as their country permits it). But to publish the game and make it available to Chinese gamers, it needs to be modified and released by a Chinese publisher so that it abides by Chinese laws. The point is that F2P games have this thing is releasing the game again and again in different sections of the world. Yes, Warframe started with a "international" version first but that doesnt mean that there wont be a region specific version made. And that region specific version is not tied at all with anything that other version does. So complaining about what they get is silly because that's really a different game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OniDax Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Sort of... yes and no. In respect to our version (the International version a.k.a. DE's version) of the game, the answer is yes. In the case of the Chinese version of the game, it really depends. I would actually hazard to say "no" it isn't the case because the game is being managed and operated by a different company, not by DE. Basically, it's not DE who would be handing out Excalibur Prime or founders gear to Chinese players, it would be the Chinese publisher. This is assuming that DE is giving the Chinese publisher freedom to modify/do what they want with the Chinese version of the game, which is probably necessary anyway in order to have it published to Chinese audiences. But yes, all we can do is speculate. But like I said, because the Chinese version of the game will likely be managed/operated by the Chinese publisher, meaning DE's promises to us do not apply to any agreements between the Chinese publisher and the Chinese playerbase. Please. If the argument is that DE's promise was only made to the now-defined "International" version, then the same argument can be made for DE's promise only being made for the PC version of the game. If DE has no control over their game ("international" or "Chinese"), such that they can't even honor their word, then this deal is nothing more than DE essentially selling their IP to Chinese publishers. Are you suggesting that this is the true nature of this deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letter13 Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 A.K.A. Space Kung fu masters (not ninjas because they came flom damned Japan and we hate Japan!) that fight for Freedom and Justice against the evil capitalism (Corpus) and military empire (USA... ehm, I mean Grineer). Approved by the Comunist Party. A bit on the extreme side of satire, but pretty much. And that region specific version is not tied at all with anything that other version does. So complaining about what they get is silly because that's really a different game. This sums up what I've been aiming to explain to people in order to help dismiss paranoia/anger/fear regarding the Chinese version of the game. The community is quick to jump the gun and start panicking, and I'd like to try and prevent panic caused from paranoia (and potentially illegitimate rumors) from occurring. Please. If the argument is that DE's promise was only made to the now-defined "International" version, then the same argument can be made for DE's promise only being made for the PC version of the game. If DE has no control over their game ("international" or "Chinese"), such that they can't even honor their word, then this deal is nothing more than DE essentially selling their IP to Chinese publishers. Are you suggesting that this is the true nature of this deal? I'm not very fond of your tone or your insinuations; you come off as wanting to incite panic, fear or paranoia within the community, which is something that is better off avoided. DE manages and operates the "International" PC, PS4 and Xbox One versions of Warframe because they published this version of the game. The Chinese publisher will manage and operate the Chinese version of the game, with DE's permission as part of the partnership deal in order to bring the game to Chinese markets. Although DE is still the developer, they likely won't be managing or operating the Chinese version of the game; managing and operating the game is the responsibility and prerogative of the publisher of the game, which DE will likely not be for the Chinese version. Again, this is all speculation. DE might have 100% control over their game in Chinese markets, but this is unlikely due to Chinese laws, the presence of a separate Chinese website for the game, the lack of a Chinese international subforum on these forums and so on. I'm proposing a hypothesis of what I feel is the most likely outcome of all of this based on what I've seen in the past with MMOs, as well as the knowledge I have regarding Chinese publishing laws and regulations. I might be completely wrong, but I also might be entirely right. The important thing to realize is that we do not have all of the official information, so panicking, fear mongering and insinuating rumors as fact sends us down a very bad path. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shehriazad Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 I don't see the problem.-Chinese people will not be playing with us. -Chinese Version might have to go through harsh censorship (China OP)So why does it matter if they get something unique in return? Calm down bruhs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaHorseman Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Sort of... yes and no. In respect to our version (the International version a.k.a. DE's version) of the game, the answer is yes. In the case of the Chinese version of the game, it really depends. I would actually hazard to say "no" it isn't the case because the game is being managed and operated by a different company, not by DE. Basically, it's not DE who would be handing out Excalibur Prime or founders gear to Chinese players, it would be the Chinese publisher. This is assuming that DE is giving the Chinese publisher freedom to modify/do what they want with the Chinese version of the game, which is probably necessary anyway in order to have it published to Chinese audiences. But yes, all we can do is speculate. But like I said, because the Chinese version of the game will likely be managed/operated by the Chinese publisher, meaning DE's promises to us do not apply to any agreements between the Chinese publisher and the Chinese playerbase. Ah I see, thank you for clarifying. I do hope DE resolves the grey areas soon, it's got everyone uneasy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentCircle Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 13 pages of hysteria based on a badly translated text that talks about the avengers. you guys are awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izzatuw Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 And now Excal P will be in their game... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayden_Tenno Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 And now Excal P will be in their game... Source? Its just that excal p was exclusive to those who funded the game. chinese players wont be funding nothing so they shouldnt receive excal p, and you cant say now that because its another region they can have it. Cmon DE if this is true release europa warframe and name it Star galaxy armor or whatever you want but give excal p. just joking, cuz no one rather than the founders can have excal, their money helped in releasing and making warframe, chinese money will only work in polishing it. I also helped in polishing warframe, and everyone in here did sometime, if with 5 euros or whatever. Excal P, lato P and Skana P is for founders, no other should have them. Its just my opinion though, but they already made it bad enough with the stealth nerfs, if they are going to dishonor their word making a "founder exclusive" frame available to everyone from a region, well that cant be good for community's trust toward them. Once again people, this is JUST my opinion, I may be very very wrong, maybe they wont release excal P in china but if they do, those are my thoughts on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaokasalis Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 (edited) DE manages and operates the "International" PC, PS4 and Xbox One versions of Warframe because they published this version of the game. The Chinese publisher will manage and operate the Chinese version of the game, with DE's permission as part of the partnership deal in order to bring the game to Chinese markets.. You said that what DE develops will still make its way to the Chinese version but does that mean they themself can also develop thier own content like weapons, frames, skins and etc. Also: Dogeneer Bombard has evolved into Wise Dogeneer Napalm Edited April 1, 2015 by Ory_Hara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yezzik Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 (edited) But wasn't the exclusive founder items legally bound to those who purchased it? We don't own anything in this game, merely temporary access which DE have the legal right to revoke at any time (such as if they suspend an account). We had this battle already with game CDs--we don't own what's on the disc, we're just being allowed to borrow access to the software. Besides, even if there was a legally-binding agreement that the concept of "Excalibur Prime" was restricted to specific accounts only on the non-Chinese version of Warframe (as opposed to "that particular item known as Excalibur Prime, etc), the Chinese distributor most likely wouldn't be bound by those restrictions. "We didn't agree to those terms; they don't apply to us," etc. Edited April 1, 2015 by Yezzik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaHorseman Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 We don't own anything in this game, merely temporary access which DE have the legal right to revoke at any time (such as if they suspend an account). We had this battle already with game CDs--we don't own what's on the disc, we're just being allowed to borrow access to the software. Besides, even if there was a legally-binding agreement that the concept of "Excalibur Prime" was restricted to specific accounts only on the non-Chinese version of Warframe (as opposed to "that particular item known as Excalibur Prime, etc), the Chinese distributor most likely wouldn't be bound by those restrictions. "We didn't agree to those terms; they don't apply to us," etc. Actually I believe there is a binding legal agreement for DE not to re-release the Founders items. Asking some of the Founders and DE themselves, and even the Mods, and you'll get your answer. The binding agreement was on all Founders items, I believe, not exclusively just to certain types of the game, but the items themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yezzik Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Actually I believe there is a binding legal agreement for DE not to re-release the Founders items. Asking some of the Founders and DE themselves, and even the Mods, and you'll get your answer. Whether it's legally binding or not, the matter is entirely between Digital Extremes and their customers. The Chinese company have nothing to do with that agreement, and thus wouldn't be bound by any legal, well, bindings to that effect. The most DE could do is simply not make particular assets available for the Chinese company to use, or ask them not to use them. They couldn't outright stop them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaHorseman Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Whether it's legally binding or not, the matter is entirely between Digital Extremes and their customers. The Chinese company have nothing to do with that agreement, and thus wouldn't be bound by any legal, well, bindings to that effect. The most DE could do is simply not make particular assets available for the Chinese company to use, or ask them not to use them. They couldn't outright stop them. This is still DE's game. The China Publisher is still just the publisher. Making some assets unavailable sounds like a good way for them to keep their word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarozian Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 This is still DE's game. The China Publisher is still just the publisher. Making some assets unavailable sounds like a good way for them to keep their word. I sure hope that's the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)MoRockaPDX Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 From [DE]Steve's twitter: Parcival @parcival81 Mar 27 @sj_sinclair will it be synced with western servers or separate hub? (This may be a stupid question) 0 retweets0 favorites Reply Retweet Favorite More User Actions Following Steve Sinclair@sj_sinclair @parcival81 good q:must be separate and customized for Internet here. Will be updated a bit like console (batched updates+cool voice over) 0 retweets0 favorites Reply Retweet Favorite More 1:38 AM - 27 Mar 2015 and this: James Wang @JWRapid Mar 28 Warframe is out in China...as spinoff of StarCraft? @PlayWarframe @rebbford @sj_sinclair http://bit.ly/1a4vlev pic.twitter.com/vbgxCqhfoU 0 retweets0 favorites Reply Retweet Favorite More User Actions Following Steve Sinclair@sj_sinclair @JWRapid @PlayWarframe @rebbford skeptical of google translate for this-last article I translated this way said warframe had Viagra in it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord-KEK Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Perhaps the Chinese overlords are forcing the DE development team to increase the grind in the game? You know Asian style? that would explain everything IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akateko Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Wouldn't Korea be a better market?, or are WF there already?.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)MoRockaPDX Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Perhaps the Chinese overlords are forcing the DE development team to increase the grind in the game? You know Asian style? that would explain everything IMHO Wouldn't Korea be a better market?, or are WF there already?.. We will have to see, but I suspect there is very little changed in how the game is played and even monetized. One of the reasons to purchase DE was because it has a successful F2P scheme that is generating money is a largely palatable way, bucking the common low opinion of F2P games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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