SgtFlex Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 (edited) It seems a lot of people don't remember when Steve said that the Energy (or what he called it was the "Brain in a jar") theory was pretty close about 10 devstreams ago. I think a Brain in a jar is a lot closer to energy beings than humans in suits at this point with what's been hinted at so far, with not much hinting them being human except the chinese part of Warframe. Edited April 26, 2015 by SgtFlex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkenbagel Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Here's the thing, though: The "Tenno" in the Rhino Codex used Rhino powers... Rhino Warframe abilities, abilities that are specific to the Rhino Warframe and that we use when our individual Tenno character (because, despite the holdouts, mono-Tenno IS fact now) can wear at any time. So, the abilities come from the Warframe, an idea supported by the "Not a Tenno" Infested Mesa in Patient Zero using its Warframe abilities against you. As for Ember, as Vor said "the Tenno are that energy" - whether you take this as literal (energy being theory) or not, the fact remains: we are BRIMMING with the power of the Void, and that's more that likely gonna burn someone if they get too close. Hence the theory I like that the Warframes also allow us to interact with the common people. I'm still confused as to what Warframes and Tenno are. So the warframes are a separate, living, organism? While the Tenno are "trained" to control them? There is that theory of Warframes being grown. But which ones are the Zariman kids? Are they the Frames? or the Tenno? If they're the frames then where did the Tenno come from? Aren't the Tenno the ones who were supposed to have all the pent up void energy? Then the suits were built or "grown" around them to enhance/allow them to control their powers? I am confuzzled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaedricToast666 Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 It's like people don't realize that we bleed and breathe in this game I imagine the bleeding would be the energy being slipping out of the warframe, and the oxygen or whatever would be needed to preserve the hollow suit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)batman200087 Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 I'll continue to argue that the thing in the Rhino Codex wasn't a Tenno until solidly proven otherwise, but that's another discussion for another time. I agree. I prefer my Tenno NOT to eat 'gore'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Grihaly Posted April 26, 2015 Author Share Posted April 26, 2015 I imagine the bleeding would be the energy being slipping out of the warframe, and the oxygen or whatever would be needed to preserve the hollow suit. That doesn't even make any sense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkenbagel Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 I imagine the bleeding would be the energy being slipping out of the warframe, and the oxygen or whatever would be needed to preserve the hollow suit. Energy usually isn't a red liquid that squirts out and splatters on to surrounding surfaces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaedricToast666 Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 I think you should read my OP again xD I've read it plenty of times, the expressions can be explained by a guy above me who pointed out it could've been a metaphorical smile or expression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Grihaly Posted April 26, 2015 Author Share Posted April 26, 2015 I've read it plenty of times, the expressions can be explained by a guy above me who pointed out it could've been a metaphorical smile or expression. I'll reiterate: That doesn't even make any sense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaedricToast666 Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Energy usually isn't a red liquid that squirts out and splatters on to surrounding surfaces. Think of it like this the warframe is a hollow shell or a living organic body. We fill it with the consciousness or energy. Then as the shell or void twisted body gets destroyed, the energy or consciousness exits the container. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Grihaly Posted April 26, 2015 Author Share Posted April 26, 2015 Think of it like this the warframe is a hollow shell or a living organic body. We fill it with the consciousness or energy. Then as the shell or void twisted body gets destroyed, the energy or consciousness exits the container. Look at the Void. Look at the Rift sigil. Look at the energy of any frame. Do any of those look like blood? No. They don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morec0 Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 My head is still spinning about Chroma... Who was using the Chroma? Was it that being whom was whispering all creepy-like? When was the last time Lotus saw one? That might have been somebody else with the 'consciousness' thing. I've been more of a fan of the 'void magic allows mono-Tenno to physically pilot different sized frames' thing :P Ah, well forgive my poor reasoning. As for Chroma: oh yeah. What controlled it, if anything? Was it just feral? Being unleashed by the Sentients because it was a useful tool? Could they control it because Chroma was wearing a melted Sentient machine? (that last part is actually rather fascinating: what happens to the Warframe underneath the Chroma pelt after it breaks away during the encounter?) But the biggest question I have: what was it about Chroma that, after just seeing it on Europa, was enough to make Lotus start to think "wait, could the Sentients be back? No... it cannot be."?? I'm still confused as to what Warframes and Tenno are. So the warframes are a separate, living, organism? While the Tenno are "trained" to control them? There is that theory of Warframes being grown. But which ones are the Zariman kids? Are they the Frames? or the Tenno? If they're the frames then where did the Tenno come from? Aren't the Tenno the ones who were supposed to have all the pent up void energy? Then the suits were built or "grown" around them to enhance/allow them to control their powers? I am confuzzled. Not so much trained, but able to. A part of whatever the Void allowed them to do, no doubt - why? Hell if even the Orokin knew, likely - "where our science and reason failed" after all. The Zariman kids are... the Zariman kids. "the ones from the Zariman" that Davis mentioned and the narrator (Orokin-Phil) had no idea could even exist because the Zariman, as he knew, never returned. The Void-infused people that are known as Tenno. The ones that came from an experiment back in the Void Era with the Zariman ship. And the frames are - with Lephantis and the Rhino-creature - created, "shaped". They're a conduit for the affliction of the Teno, and what does a conduit do? Wikipedia: An electrical conduit is a tube used to protect and route electrical wiring. Protect - armor, shields, health; keeping the Tenno alive. Route - Focus, direct. As a conduit sends electricity to power a light or a television, so too does the Warframe send the Tenno's void energy to power a Rhino Charge or an Ember Fireball. I agree. I prefer my Tenno NOT to eat 'gore'. On that note: I actually like to imagine that the "health and energy" pickups came as a refinement of that "gore eating" behavior as a means to help fuel Warframe and Tenno - we're absorbing residual pockets of nutrients and energy left over after the deaths of enemies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaedricToast666 Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Look at the Void. Look at the Rift sigil. Look at the energy of any frame. Do any of those look like blood? No. They don't. What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickyBoomBoom Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Look up buddhist definition of mind stream. It may be well beyond immediate understanding but have a go anyways. Then you will hopefully proselytise that energy, ghosts, animate creatures and indeed any form is a state of mind/perception that could equally apply to any credos or philosophy. The ops theory or indeed any is in fact a waste of time until by whatever whim or internal logic the Lore is revealed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)batman200087 Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Ah, well forgive my poor reasoning. As for Chroma: oh yeah. What controlled it, if anything? Was it just feral? Being unleashed by the Sentients because it was a useful tool? Could they control it because Chroma was wearing a melted Sentient machine? (that last part is actually rather fascinating: what happens to the Warframe underneath the Chroma pelt after it breaks away during the encounter?) But the biggest question I have: what was it about Chroma that, after just seeing it on Europa, was enough to make Lotus start to think "wait, could the Sentients be back? No... it cannot be."?? Not so much trained, but able to. A part of whatever the Void allowed them to do, no doubt - why? Hell if even the Orokin knew, likely - "where our science and reason failed" after all. The Zariman kids are... the Zariman kids. "the ones from the Zariman" that Davis mentioned and the narrator (Orokin-Phil) had no idea could even exist because the Zariman, as he knew, never returned. The Void-infused people that are known as Tenno. The ones that came from an experiment back in the Void Era with the Zariman ship. And the frames are - with Lephantis and the Rhino-creature - created, "shaped". They're a conduit for the affliction of the Teno, and what does a conduit do? Wikipedia: An electrical conduit is a tube used to protect and route electrical wiring. Protect - armor, shields, health; keeping the Tenno alive. Route - Focus, direct. As a conduit sends electricity to power a light or a television, so too does the Warframe send the Tenno's void energy to power a Rhino Charge or an Ember Fireball. On that note: I actually like to imagine that the "health and energy" pickups came as a refinement of that "gore eating" behavior as a means to help fuel Warframe and Tenno - we're absorbing residual pockets of nutrients and energy left over after the deaths of enemies. I can agree with that friend. Just not the part of literally eating the other type of gore aka from a corpse, or something that is alive or was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urlan Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 The 'Rhino' in the Rhino Prime Codex entry was probably the original infested individual that the future Rhino suits were made from or at least an alpha carrier for his strain of the technocyte mutation that the researchers were studying before the 'Rhino' escaped. If you have played or watched parts from DarkSector, I think of it as a Colossus infested - a refined strain of course. The maddened individual was lashing out at the staff trying to kill them all animalistically. It was not a Tenno, it was the individual infested who would be harvested to make the actual Rhino armor that ours in turn is derived from. The future Tenno in that piece are the void touched children who calmed the infested beasty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkenbagel Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Not so much trained, but able to. A part of whatever the Void allowed them to do, no doubt - why? Hell if even the Orokin knew, likely - "where our science and reason failed" after all. The Zariman kids are... the Zariman kids. "the ones from the Zariman" that Davis mentioned and the narrator (Orokin-Phil) had no idea could even exist because the Zariman, as he knew, never returned. The Void-infused people that are known as Tenno. The ones that came from an experiment back in the Void Era with the Zariman ship. And the frames are - with Lephantis and the Rhino-creature - created, "shaped". They're a conduit for the affliction of the Teno, and what does a conduit do? Wikipedia: An electrical conduit is a tube used to protect and route electrical wiring. Protect - armor, shields, health; keeping the Tenno alive. Route - Focus, direct. As a conduit sends electricity to power a light or a television, so too does the Warframe send the Tenno's void energy to power a Rhino Charge or an Ember Fireball. I think I get it now. Zariman kids=Tenno, Frames=Grown onto them? Or were they a separate organism from their conception and somehow fused with the Z-Kids(Tenno)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterHog Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 And the fact we bleed out? I'm pretty sure energy doesn't bleed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaedricToast666 Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 And the fact we bleed out? I'm pretty sure energy doesn't bleed. I'm not saying energy bleeds, I'm saying that for us bleeding would be like the consciousness slipping out of the suit. Or like someone above me put it the suit could be living and were piloting it so bleeding would be losing blood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkenbagel Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 I'm not saying energy bleeds, I'm saying that for us bleeding would be like the consciousness slipping out of the suit. Or like someone above me put it the suit could be living and were piloting it so bleeding would be losing blood. How would a sharp object cause our consciousness slip out of the suit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaedricToast666 Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Breaks through the empty metallic shell, and the consciousness leaves through the cut made in the suit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkenbagel Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Breaks through the empty metallic shell, and the consciousness leaves through the cut made in the suit. How would something metaphysical "leave" through something physical? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarozian Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 *Italian New york accent* Ey. We all know the Don is an energy being. C'maaan fahget abaat it. Our Italians don't talk like that anymore. >.> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morec0 Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 I think I get it now. Zariman kids=Tenno, Frames=Grown onto them? Or were they a separate organism from their conception and somehow fused with the Z-Kids(Tenno)? A separate organism, likely originally going to be the sole creature sent to combat the Sentients (ala Lephantis's "created to fight in the old war" - which makes sense; Sentient can't control living flesh), as can be attested to by our own in-game character's switching of frames. How the physicallity of the Tenno relates to this has yet to be revealed. I can agree with that friend. Just not the part of literally eating the other type of gore aka from a corpse, or something that is alive or was. Oh yeah. There's only so much squick people can take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaedricToast666 Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 How would something metaphysical "leave" through something physical? Hmmm. That is a good point. I guess at this point it'd make more sense if it was a living body, and it lost blood like any other body. In which case we just couldn't pilot it anymore when the body is to destroyed to continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkenbagel Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Our Italians don't talk like that anymore. >.> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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