How's The Teething Coming?

[SHADOWEDzed]

So by now you have realized that there is a new frame floating around.  You probably also realize that it is found by doing ? alerts.  Now I know there's a lot of people in the community who think the sky is falling and that DE has sold out.  I would like to point out a few things before you continue your rants.

 

The alert notification business can be frustrating, RNG and all.  However, so can farming a boss for blueprints.  Think about this on the bright-side. In order to earn this frame, you don't have to kill the same boss over and over again until it drops 1 out of 3 blueprints.  You also don't have to do countless defense missions for the BP's either.  

 

They tried something different that was less "grindy" which is what the community asked for.  "We're tired of grinding!" we said.  Well this is what we got.  If we are on and a wild Vauban bp appears, we can get it first attempt.  No problems.  Just have to wait for the other ones.  If you are impatient and need everything right now! The drive-thru window is right in the marketplace.

 

This is an initial teething phase where it seems like everyone is butt-hurt about this issue.  However, those who have voiced their displeasure represent a very minimal population while compared to the extent of the global population.  For every 1 person that cries about the change and this direction there are 10 that don't give a S#&$.  People were mad, really mad with the new mod system (update 7 when it was released) "You ruined it!" they said.  After some play throughs, people found oh this isn't so bad.

 

Now update 8 is around the corner, and you know that dojo's are coming.  Orokin tile-sets are coming.  Prime frames are coming.  So tell me while ur grinding to complete your dojo, farming annoying S#&$ to get to the orokin tile-sets, to then farm those for the materials necessary to build a prime; Will you really be all that concerned when a wild Vauban BP appears in an alert so you can say "Oh sweet! 2-3 bp's 1 to go!" and then continue farming for the rest.

 

This is my rant for the day.  Go out and get you some pancakes.

Regards,

 

Hellscare

 

[Shion963]

It's okay guy, the "Y BAUDAN ALERT ONLY" rage has calmed.

 

Have a +1

[GrandMasterV]

Slackers!

[_Bilko_]

-snip-

 

 

Well said sir

+1 internets for you

[GratuitousLurking]

THANK. YOU. Logic dictates there's some sane men here too.

 

And I still think that this may be a temporary fix until Update 8 arrives. And if not, who cares?

[Lane]

Nice rant.

 

P.S. Can't take my eyes off the words 'Orokin' and 'tileset'.

 

Ermahgerd can't wait for U8.

[SteamInferno]

It's okay guy, the "Y BAUDAN ALERT ONLY" rage has calmed.

 

Have a +1

Yeah, since they told us in advance it's alright. I'm still miffed, but I'll get over it. Warframes take forever to get anyway.

 

The alert notification business can be frustrating, RNG and all.  However, so can farming a boss for blueprints.  Think about this on the bright-side. In order to earn this frame, you don't have to kill the same boss over and over again until it drops 1 out of 3 blueprints.  You also don't have to do countless defense missions for the BP's either.  

 

They tried something different that was less "grindy" which is what the community asked for.  "We're tired of grinding!" we said.  Well this is what we got.  If we are on and a wild Vauban bp appears, we can get it first attempt.  No problems.  Just have to wait for the other ones.  If you are impatient and need everything right now! The drive-thru window is right in the marketplace.

Yes, now instead of just playing the game when I want to play I have to randomly be able to jump on, often times when I can't due to not being at home. That's fun. [/sarcasm]

 

I do like the fact that it's a less grindy way to get it. I just think it's kinda silly. I have 200k creds, a whole bunch of areas to unlock... and I don't want to do any of it. What's the point? I'm only getting on to play the alert. There's nothing for me to actually work towards, and honestly the gameplay itself isn't that engaging. It's really, really fun, but other than running through the same levels over and over there's nothing there.

 

I enjoyed farming the boss for my Volt prints. Well, ok, enjoyed was a bit of a stretch. What I actually enjoyed was succeeding after all that work, and getting the foundry running (eventually). I felt like I earned it. They do need to knock the grind down a bit, agreed. Farming that control module is and always will be the most infuriating thing I've done. I just don't think this is the way to do it.

 

However, those who have voiced their displeasure represent a very minimal population while compared to the extent of the global population.  For every 1 person that cries about the change and this direction there are 10 that don't give a S#&$.

 

90% of all statistics are pulled out of someone's rear end. That said, there is a large silent majority. Problem is, only way to tell how they actually feel is when they start leaving. Considering people are sticking around, mostly... we probably are a minority. Darn tyranny of the majority.

 

All said? U8 is bringing a ton of stuff to the table that has me excited. I'm bored now, but with all the new gear, the dojos to work towards... you might be right. Might have enough to do that Vauban being alert-only along with Glaive isn't so bad.

 

I'll always think it's silly though. Now pass the pancakes. EDIT: Formatting fix EDIT2: Why are my posts so long!?

Edited May 18, 2013 by SteamInferno

[Korevas]

This is an initial teething phase where it seems like everyone is butt-hurt about this issue.  However, those who have voiced their displeasure represent a very minimal population while compared to the extent of the global population.  For every 1 person that cries about the change and this direction there are 10 that don't give a S#&$.  People were mad, really mad with the new mod system (update 7 when it was released) "You ruined it!" they said.  After some play throughs, people found oh this isn't so bad.

 

So you are the appointed voice of the community I take it? You can of course feel free to voice your oppinion, but don't speak on behalf of everybody. I for one think that the alert system itself is pretty bad already, and requiring 3 specific drops from it is pretty much the worst thing they could have done with it. Currently, the entire alert system is like wargames, the only way to win is not to play.

Edited May 18, 2013 by Korevas

[_Bilko_]

So you are the appointed voice of the community I take it? You can of course feel free to voice your oppinion, but don't speak on behalf of everybody. I for one think that the alert system itself is pretty bad already, and requiring 3 specific drops from it is pretty much the worst thing they could have done with it. Currently, the entire alert system is like wargames, the only way to win is not to play.

 

 

I'm not seeing where he appointed himself speaker for the community, do you?

 

-snip-

 

This is my rant for the day.  Go out and get you some pancakes.

Regards,

 

Hellscare

 

I seen this, this translates to me as HIS rant, not the communities O.o

[firequill]

It could have been platinum purchase only for all frames beyond the starters.

 

Maybe making a f2p model where every player can get every single item for free with minimum effort isn't such a bright idea. hmm?

 

The alert system needs some tweaking,

To me, in essence the model is sound, with some pot luck you'll get that alert you've wanted.

 

Biggest problem is that the more stuff that gets a slot in the ? alerts, the rarer a specific item gets, and something needs to be done about that i suppose, maybe introduce an elite ?-alert with it's own pool..

[SteamInferno]

I'm not seeing where he appointed himself speaker for the community, do you?

 

Right here:

This is an initial teething phase where it seems like everyone is butt-hurt about this issue.  However, those who have voiced their displeasure represent a very minimal population while compared to the extent of the global population.  For every 1 person that cries about the change and this direction there are 10 that don't give a S#&$. 

 

That being said, that's less "speaker for the community" and more "I made this up" but eh. I mentioned it in my post.

Edited May 18, 2013 by SteamInferno

[SHADOWEDzed]

So you are the appointed voice of the community I take it? You can of course feel free to voice your oppinion, but don't speak on behalf of everybody. I for one think that the alert system itself is pretty bad already, and requiring 3 specific drops from it is pretty much the worst thing they could have done with it. Currently, the entire alert system is like wargames, the only way to win is not to play.

I'm not voice of the community yet, I'm trying to curry favor with the community before the primaries.  I could say I understand your displeasure with the current alert system, but you never supported the argument.  Perhaps next time bring to the table a particular problem about the alert system and present it for review.

 

Try and look at the bright-side.  With more content being added to the alert system, there's a probability that frequency will increase with this.

 

-vote for me-

Regards,

 

Hellscare

[SteamInferno]

Ah, Hellscare, would you kindly respond to my comments on the Alert system? I did make some in my post, and since you seem up to debating the topic...

[Aerensiniac]

However, those who have voiced their displeasure represent a very minimal population while compared to the extent of the global population.  For every 1 person that cries about the change and this direction there are 10 that don't give a S#&$

 

 

 

 

It would do everyone good if you wouldnt try to incite even more flame wars mate, by pulling S#&$ out of your &#!.

As a counter example to your S#&$ post, feel free to look at Planetside 2 for an estimate direction what constant "balancing" will do to the community.

70-80% of the players lost in the first 3 months?

Well jolly good. Why not aim for the same?

 

If you want to create a thread, please the next time try to avoid belittling those with a different opinion other than yours and waving around numbers pulled out of your arse.

Thanks in the name of the entire community.

Edited May 18, 2013 by Aerensiniac

[Korevas]

I'm not voice of the community yet, I'm trying to curry favor with the community before the primaries.  I could say I understand your displeasure with the current alert system, but you never supported the argument.  Perhaps next time bring to the table a particular problem about the alert system and present it for review.

 

No, I didn't properly explain my position, but I did state it as what it is: an oppinion. You, on the other hand, stated your very personal oppinion as fact, which could be interpreted as either bad form or an outright lie.

 

 

Try and look at the bright-side.  With more content being added to the alert system, there's a probability that frequency will increase with this.

 

Actually, the opposite is true. There has been no indication that the frequency of ? alerts has been increased, while the loottable is constantly growing. If anything, this lowers the chance of getting a single item, and we have no reason to assume that this will change in the foreseeable future.

[BramBlackmon]

I have a very limited amount of time where I can actually play this during the day. I'm also not going to force myself to play a game I'm not enjoying for the sake of an arbitrary reward. and I'm not going to shell out 15 dollars for a single frame that I may not even like playing. If the frame prices were cheaper I'd just go ahead and buy it. And this isn't a "Lol you poor burger flipping loser. Get a real job" scenario. I'm making payments on a house, and a car, and I have bills to pay, and a girlfriend to take care of, not in the "Lazy bitch needs to get a job" way, in the "I actually care about this person a lot, and we both work a lot, so it's nice to just get out of the house every once in a while and enjoy some of what life has to offer, even if it costs me out the ass half the time."

 

That's why I'm not happy about this new system. I've known for the longest time that F2Ps work on this $&*&*#(%& logic of "If we sell one thing for a million dollars, and somebody buys it, we'll make more money that in we sold millions of things for 1 dollar" 

 

Which is why I hate the model and eventually drop every game I pick up in that category like a poisonous snake. This game is different, and in small doses can be fun. But they haven't done near enough to justify me prying open my wallet for more than the occasional 20 dollar bill here and there. and when I do spend that money, I stretch it out, I'm not going to drop it on one object in a game, when I can buy plenty of fun and engaging full games for that price.

 

I'll quit, and people will jeer, and then one or two years later we've got another dungeon fighter incident on our hands. "How could that game fail when it was so popular?" bullshit prices combined with annoying mechanics that heavily encouraged you to spend to get what you want.

 

Don't write people off because they don't understand your viewpoint. Because they're thinking the same thing about you Bub.

Edited May 18, 2013 by BramBlackmon

[SteamInferno]

I have a very limited amount of time where I can actually play this during the day. I'm also not going to force myself to play a game I'm not enjoying for the sake of an arbitrary reward. and I'm not going to shell out 15 dollars for a single frame that I may not even like playing. If the frame prices were cheaper I'd just go ahead and buy it. And this isn't a "Lol you poor burger flipping loser. Get a real job" scenario. I'm making payments on a house, and a car, and I have bills to pay, and a girlfriend to take care of, not in the "Lazy bitch needs to get a job" way, in the "I actually care about this person a lot, and we both work a lot, so it's nice to just get out of the house every once in a while and enjoy some of what life has to offer, even if it costs me out the ass half the time."

 

That's why I'm not happy about this new system. I've known for the longest time that F2Ps work on this $&*&*#(%& logic of "If we sell one thing for a million dollars, and somebody buys it, we'll make more money that in we sold millions of things for 1 dollar" 

 

Which is why I hate the model and eventually drop every game I pick up in that category like a poisonous snake. This game is different, and in small doses can be fun. But they haven't done near enough to justify me prying open my wallet for more than the occasional 20 dollar bill here and there. and when I do spend that money, I stretch it out, I'm not going to drop it on one object in a game, when I can buy plenty of fun and engaging full games for that price.

 

I'll quit, and people will jeer, and then one or two years later we've got another dungeon fighter incident on our hands. "How could that game fail when it was so popular?" bullshit prices combined with annoying mechanics that heavily encouraged you to spend to get what you want.

 

Don't write people off because they don't understand your viewpoint. Because they're thinking the same thing about you Bub.

I think this stated it better than I ever could. Thanks.

[SHADOWEDzed]

Ah, Hellscare, would you kindly respond to my comments on the Alert system? I did make some in my post, and since you seem up to debating the topic...

Your problem with the alert system is it's inconsistency.  You don't like having to be here a particular place and time to get something.  Understandable, but that's what the alert is supposed to be.  It's a special prize that you can get but only if you're on at a particular place and time.  It entices the player to keep playing to get the chance to receive something from the table that they "want". 

 

As for unlocking the solar system.  Typically players did this to get frames.  However, due to the nature it is now, people just piggy back their way to the boss and unlock it from there. Fix this by only being able to join missions you have already unlocked.  Wonder, how many people would be upset about that.. Pretty sure the devs have considered it, they're not stupid you know. The best advise for end-game content I can give you is to play with the mod system. Use those cores and rank up your mods to the point of being OP.

 

I will state this once, and only once.  The developers are employed by Digital Extreme, not the player, not the founders, and certainly not themselves.  They have people above them they have to answer to.  They need to maintain profitability while trying to maintain a happy player base.  They are doing their best to satisfy both parties and pulling some very interesting strategies.  They can't satisfy everyone all of the time, but they try harder than most.  So rather than having the community raving saying "Oh you shouldn't have done it that way!", or "You should have done it this way!" take it with a grain of salt.  Say "Thanks devs.  Thank you for adding new content regularly." "Thank you for trying to be as transparrent as possible with your development."

[Strac_CRO]

warframe's parts as random BP alert is a little too much, boss fights or random BP drop on planet is better

Edited May 18, 2013 by Strac_CRO

[Korevas]

It entices the player to keep playing to get the chance to receive something from the table that they "want". 

 

Actually, this is not what the alert system does. After a certain point, where all you really want are maybe 2 or 3 items form the entire loottable, it does the exact opposite: you can't get anything from playing the game at all anymore; the chance that the random ? alert you are looking for pops up when you are actually playing is miniscule. It is far more likely to happen when you are either away or not playing, and the best chance to get something is to rely on external alert tools while doing something else.

[GratuitousLurking]

warframe's parts as random BP alert is a little too much, boss fights or random BP drop on planet is better

 

...Except they got complained that the usual system was BORING.

[TheChaffeemancer]

...Except they got complained that the usual system was BORING.

 

Well, the alert system isn't "boring" because we're off playing other games.

 

Then we get annoyed because the alert popped in the middle of an intense match and we didn't notice/it happened during sleep/work.

Edited May 18, 2013 by TheChaffeemancer

[SHADOWEDzed]

 

 

 

It would do everyone good if you wouldnt try to incite even more flame wars mate, by pulling S#&$ out of your &#!.

As a counter example to your S#&$ post, feel free to look at Planetside 2 for an estimate direction what constant "balancing" will do to the community.

70-80% of the players lost in the first 3 months?

Well jolly good. Why not aim for the same?

 

If you want to create a thread, please the next time try to avoid belittling those with a different opinion other than yours and waving around numbers pulled out of your arse.

Thanks in the name of the entire community.

 

 

Don't compare Planetside 2 to this.  Completely different models for acquisition of items. 

 

I never belittled anyone in my original post.  If you took offense to the OP then you must be a "butt-hurt" individual.  Don't worry we all get butt-hurt sometimes, I was butt-hurt about u7. The numbers I thought were pretty clearly "falsified" information.

 

You should also learn to take your own advice..

 

"If you want to create a thread, please the next time try to avoid belittling those with a different opinion other than yours and waving around numbers pulled out of your arse."

"As a counter example to your S#&$ post, feel free to look at Planetside 2 for an estimate direction what constant "balancing" will do to the community.

70-80% of the players lost in the first 3 months?"

 

-vote for me-

Regards,

 

Hellscare

[_Bilko_]

...Except they got complained that the usual system was BORING.

This

As explained in the OP, People got bored of farming bosses, so introducing it into the alert system was the other alternative.

Besides, 2 of the 3 parts are supposed to be about as common as an artifact.

[TheChaffeemancer]

Don't compare Planetside 2 to this.  Completely different models for acquisition of items. 

 

 However, the acquisiton of items was a sore point for the game, which it is here, so the comparison can be made. You can compare apples to oranges in many ways, such as nutrional value.

 

I never belittled anyone in my original post.  If you took offense to the OP then you must be a "butt-hurt" individual.  Don't worry we all get butt-hurt sometimes, I was butt-hurt about u7. The numbers I thought were pretty clearly "falsified" information.

 

Calling people "butt-hurt" for having an opinion is belittling them. The people who think the alert system for acquiring new items is foolish. If you think that is belittling, you must be one of the foolish people. It's ok, we're all foolish sometimes.

 

Your "10 people who don't care for every one that does" is an arse pull. You have provided no evidence. After having talked to friends when the Vauban was announced, the responses were universally "This is stupid, this does not make me want to play the game more." All of them were people who never posted on the forums. It's true you can probably find people who genuinely don't care, but then we're just throwing unreliable samples at each other.