(XBOX)Gray Silhouette Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 ... define "bit too much". Because when it comes to gender in Warframe it's already... Well, the Player Tenno has no stated gender and is referred to as only Tenno or Operator (neither of which are gendered terms), and can wear "male" and "female" frames (a few of which are ALREADY kind of ambiguous in those regards) with impunity. and if that's not enough, you can wear a "male" or "female" frame but have the animation set (read: body language) of literally any other frame. and whether or not Tenno/Frames have a biological sex is pretty much unsaid though I guess we're supposed to assume that they DID have one at some point, because they're void-afflicted humans or something and we as the players are humans. In my point of view I'm not "Reading too much into it" so much as I'm slightly playing off of what's already there and presented to you in the game?? The bit too much was basically everything in the spoiler. Chromosones and biological sex, and all of that.Which you kind of just said is irrelevant since the tenno have no defined gender. So why even bring it up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedgehodge Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 (edited) The bit too much was basically everything in the spoiler. Chromosones and biological sex, and all of that. Which you kind of just said is irrelevant since the tenno have no defined gender. So why even bring it up? I bring it up as a sort of a footnote, because I see people bringing biological sex into discussions about Warframes a bunch and repeatedly making the rookie mistakes of: - thinking that biological sex and gender identity are the same thing, - that either of them are strictly a super-simple easy-to-discern binary. - that biological sex necessarily influences gender identity or other mental traits (this is also what I believe is referred to as "biological essentialism" or as "biotroof" and it's malicious use is a sort of common calling card argument used by many transphobic, misogynistic, and homophobic individuals) ...By the way, I might be mistaken but you also appear to be making one of these mistakes here when you complain about me bringing up facts about biological sex and then saying I "just said is irrelevant because the tenno have no defined gender" I do apologize if I was unclear, I meant to say that neither the sex nor the gender of Tenno (or at least not the gender of your player Tenno) is mentioned or commented upon in the lore or the game. Though it is clear that DE designs each of the frames to deliberately appear "male" or "female" to us the players, that is the only thing that is true and anything ELSE is what's really "reading too much into it" anyway if you actually look at the definitions of the Jungian psych stuff that Animus/Anima are named after... Anima is basically an anthropomorphic representation of a man's repressed collective "feminine" traits And Animus is the respective representation of a woman's repressed collective "masculine" traits it's important to note that these are "repressed" to begin with because the society Jung was in and even many societies now uphold this (kinda really S#&$ty) idea that men should not have any feminine traits and that women should not have any masculine traits, and (speaking from real life experience here) even enforce this with violence. Now that I think about it- It'd be kinda interesting to see a frame that somehow weaponizes these otherwise-repressed traits, the way Valkyr frames weaponize the pain and fear the original Valkyr felt at the hands of the Corpus. Edited June 12, 2015 by hedgehodge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfluffy Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 this design is awful ... do you guys even TRY !? its almost as bad as limbo ... come on DE ! look at the first warframes and take examples of off them !!!! 1. Limbo is amazing looking (both of these points on either side is opinion) 2. They want each frame to look like the fit their theme and be unique from those before. So I am sorry but no they will continue this trend and I look forward to it. Last but not least 3. The way you wrote this implies you can do better so go ahead create model (that can be animated) that is better. If not then perhaps you should be a bit less rude in your criticisms. On topic I look forward to seeing what the powers are for the frame and I hope both versions powers are unique yet with same kinda base idea. Like one heals Tenno around them but the other form hurts people around then. Example nothing more :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--GOOLOO_GOOLOO_GOOLOO-- Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Anime frame is very original for sure, but also the weirdest thing I've seen in video games. XD It's not an "Anime" frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paratuumculus Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 I can't quite put my finger on it but he reminds me alot of either one of the lesser known Ultramans or one of their enemies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deshiel Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 So this warframe is a total badass for one reason. It never goes into mission in its full form (full form = full power) fighting badguys with full powers is so mainstream anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_328 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 The ribs and the helmet are awful. I hope that's not the definitive design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaugahn Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 I am unbelievably excited. That thing looks fantastic. Don't ruin this for me, haters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_Redwire Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 I love everything about him/her - super excited! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillon_J Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Anima looks okay. everything else is pretty bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaruis Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 I was a bit skeptical when I first saw the concept art. And then this. My body is ready this design is awful ... do you guys even TRY !? its almost as bad as limbo ... come on DE ! look at the first warframes and take examples of off them !!!! Provide something constructive or meaningful or don't say anything at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Culaio Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 (edited) Not necesarily, they said Minky tried exploring the concept but ended up ultimately not going for it. And even if so that is just the aesthetics so it doesn't really guarantee the gender in the end, I hope that what you said is not true, I hope they WILL use 'dual gender'(dunno how to call it) frame idea and not create generic frame Edited June 12, 2015 by Culaio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RahuHordika Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 (edited) I hope that what you said is not true, I hope they WILL use 'dual gender'(dunno how to call it) frame idea and not create generic frameI... fail to see how making the frame single-gendered makes it generic.(Edit:typos) Edited June 12, 2015 by RahuStalker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)FOCHOCLTstrfish Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 looks incredible, love the asymmetry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajoman Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 the combined version should be called animum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisk1991 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 (edited) Heh, opinions I guess, I'm that guy who likes Chroma's original helmet and was mad when they switched it :p Most people seem to love the new frame's look though :3 Based on a total of 39 comments (Many of which may just be multiple posts by the same people), I wouldn't say most, at least not yet. Personally though I quite like it actually. So this warframe is a total badass for one reason. It never goes into mission in its full form (full form = full power) fighting badguys with full powers is so mainstream anyway. Edited June 12, 2015 by Basilisk1991 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeenageGirlVodkaPuke Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 I thought chroma's energy colour for different powers was a weird mechanic, and now this :S The helmet is meh, the rest looks good too me. (But can we have normal frames now) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S0V3REiGN Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 my guess is the black version is female and the white male. Either way it looks great, I can't wait to find out what it can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreadwire Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Omg that one ugly frame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisk1991 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 I thought chroma's energy colour for different powers was a weird mechanic, and now this :S The helmet is meh, the rest looks good too me. (But can we have normal frames now) Define normal in the context of space ninjasamurairobotmonsters! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)JiggaJazz Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 YES FEMALE ROTATION Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Culaio Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 I... fail to see how making the frame single-gendered makes it generic. (Edit:typos) because every single frame is single-gendered ? dual-gendered is something fresh and unique so I think it would be a mistake to destroy what makes it unique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ionus Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 because every single frame is single-gendered ? dual-gendered is something fresh and unique so I think it would be a mistake to destroy what makes it unique. "You're boring, you and your definitive gender." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaFragolino Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 because every single frame is single-gendered ? dual-gendered is something fresh and unique so I think it would be a mistake to destroy what makes it unique. What makes it unique is the fact that it has multiple forms, not the gender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarozian Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 I think each part of the design is deliberate. Anima is black. Animus is white. Anima is female. Animus is male. Anima is complex in design. Animus is more reserved and simple. You understand why I said it was perfect now right?! >;D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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