Krak_Nihilus Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 (edited) How? Simply make mesa incapable of picking up energy orbs during peacemaker. Why? Because gmag is greatly used in teamplay outside of camping and draco. It's more teamfriendly then mesa's 4th skill, which is not team friendly at all. How? Simply make mesa incapable of picking up energy orbs during peacemaker. Will it stop draco, camping or any other farm method that DE doesn't like? No. Nothing will. If you nerf gmag people will simply go back to Trinity. How? Simply make mesa incapable of picking up energy orbs during peacemaker. EDIT: change thread title and flashed out the actual proposition because people were jumping to conclusion that I see mesa as op and want peacemaker to be useless. Edited July 6, 2015 by Krak_Nihilus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[DE]Grzegorz Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 How about we nerf grind and RNG so we don't have to resort to such cheesy tactics? Maybe we'll actually reward skillful play instead of spawncamp-instakilling entire map? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lokime Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 How about we nerf grind and RNG so we don't have to resort to such cheesy tactics? Maybe we'll actually reward skillful play instead of spawncamp-instakilling entire map? ↑ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)LiamRising Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 i would rather they nerf an augment than a frame as its pve the second the nerf floodgates open again it wont be just mesa and tbh mesas not bad the 4th skill is just like other ultimate's its fairly balanced where as greedy mag really should only work for mag anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krak_Nihilus Posted July 6, 2015 Author Share Posted July 6, 2015 How about we nerf grind and RNG so we don't have to resort to such cheesy tactics? Maybe we'll actually reward skillful play instead of spawncamp-instakilling entire map? That would bw great and I would really like that as well but it's easier said than done and they want to 'fix' stuff now. It's easier to say 'fix the grind' (which I myself did a few times) then make an actually good proposition on how to do it. And DE also doesn't know how it can be done or they don't want to do it. Either way we have to adjust and propose something that has a chance of being made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zagrax Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Mesa's 4 needs a rework to make the player slightly more involved in using it. As is, I can literally, actually, tape down my mouse button and clear 90 percent of a defense mission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--VIIA--Ijenius Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 ...teamfriendly... not team friendly What do you mean saying this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinKenshin Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Mesa isn't OP.....did you ever see a mesa against lvl 50+? people really to not measure a warframe's OP-ness while playing low lvl missions >_> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krak_Nihilus Posted July 6, 2015 Author Share Posted July 6, 2015 What do you mean saying this? I mean thay when I have a mesa constantly in her 4 than I just stand there without doing anything, maybe protect mesa if things get bad but usually not even that. She kills everything that gets into the area over a relatively long time and denies play for others in the team. Whereas gmag only pulls loot, for which you have to kill stuff. It's very usefull for both gmag and rest of team because you don't have to run around the whole map to get stuff that dropped. People like having gmag on team whereas mesa is sometimes not that welcome (of course some people don't like having loot being pulled to single place but they're rather rare compared to people who don't like having everything killed before they can even aim). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anubias Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Mesa isn't OP.....did you ever see a mesa against lvl 50+? people really to not measure a warframe's OP-ness while playing low lvl missions >_> Not to mention said mesa have maxed blind rage or transident on -_- if you make her useless with r10 mods what will be the point of getting her altogether ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krak_Nihilus Posted July 6, 2015 Author Share Posted July 6, 2015 Mesa isn't OP.....did you ever see a mesa against lvl 50+? people really to not measure a warframe's OP-ness while playing low lvl missions >_> Nobody here claims that mesa is op. Read the whole post instead of jumping to conclusions based on title. It's not that long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)xXxGUNDORxXx Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 where does everyone get the idea greedy pull is being nerfed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDar1o Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 It's funny because Mesa became an issue after 6 months of release. Mesa and Mag are fine. Problem is that other missions aren't properly rewarded. DE can nerf Mesa, Mag and Draco, but people will find other place and will use other frames. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaHorseman Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 where does everyone get the idea greedy pull is being nerfed? One of the Dev's made a topic about it revealing the changes incoming for Greedy Pull. To you, OP: It isn't the Mod's or the Frames that are the problem, it's the fact that the grind is so massive that players feel they need to resort to these kinds of Tactics to get anywhere in the game. Nerf the Grind is more accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaugahn Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 It isn't the Mod's or the Frames that are the problem, it's the fact that the grind is so massive that players feel they need to resort to these kinds of Tactics to get anywhere in the game. Nerf the Grind is more accurate. Yes, but even if the grind was perfectly managed and had no issues Greedy Pull would still be a problem. There's nothing else quite like it when it comes to enabling camping, which is apparently a playstyle DE doesn't want in their game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--VIIA--Ijenius Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 (edited) She kills everything that gets into the area over a relatively long time and denies play for others in the team. ...people who don't like having everything killed before they can even aim Hey, Misa! Stop bringing to us much free exp and loot cuz we all came here for pointless shooting, not for farming and leveling :D Also: 50 meters. Edited July 6, 2015 by Ijenius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)BLK THORN Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 (edited) The reason people complain is because they feel it's just cheesy but Greedy Mag is most needed for the raids. Mesa PeaceKeeper performance drops big after facing level 45+ mobs so its really a lot of bitterness coming from a lot of gamers who only play 20 mins in T4 Survival or Defense. Let's be honest DE, you are going to have a hard time with the community if go with a extreme nerf like you did in the past. The game is changing on a large scale every update so why not just buff carriers radius to counter the trolls who use Greedy Pull? Edited July 6, 2015 by (XB1)BLK THORN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)xXxGUNDORxXx Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 One of the Dev's made a topic about it revealing the changes incoming for Greedy Pull. To you, OP: It isn't the Mod's or the Frames that are the problem, it's the fact that the grind is so massive that players feel they need to resort to these kinds of Tactics to get anywhere in the game. Nerf the Grind is more accurate. first off im no OP new to the game is one thing someone being op is another... i only use greedy pull in t4 defense since everyone just wants to frost, mesa in the snowglobe.. i dont blame people for that either cuz our number only goes to 30 where as the enemy goes as high as 80 i seen so far so maybe if they condensed the numbers armor to enemy lazy tactics wouldnt be a huge issue... but then again the drops are S#&$ty at times that you have to do i dont know say 5 intercept missions to get 1 mag prime system.. people wouldnt sit at B with a mesa frost gmag.. to just get by in it cuz its over extensive grinding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krak_Nihilus Posted July 6, 2015 Author Share Posted July 6, 2015 where does everyone get the idea greedy pull is being nerfed? It was mentioned in devstream 55 and ca be found in overview. There was also other topic by dev but I can't find it. https://warframe.com/news/devstream-55-overview It isn't the Mod's or the Frames that are the problem, it's the fact that the grind is so massive that players feel they need to resort to these kinds of Tactics to get anywhere in the game. Nerf the Grind is more accurate. As much as I'd like that to happen devs didn't say a word about wanting or trying to do something with it. But they did say they want to nerf gmag and they said specifically why - and the reason is, not very surprisingly, draco. So I simply suggest lesser evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krak_Nihilus Posted July 6, 2015 Author Share Posted July 6, 2015 first off im no OP new to the game is one thing someone being op is another... i only use greedy pull in t4 defense since everyone just wants to frost, mesa in the snowglobe.. i dont blame people for that either cuz our number only goes to 30 where as the enemy goes as high as 80 i seen so far so maybe if they condensed the numbers armor to enemy lazy tactics wouldnt be a huge issue... but then again the drops are S#&$ty at times that you have to do i dont know say 5 intercept missions to get 1 mag prime system.. people wouldnt sit at B with a mesa frost gmag.. to just get by in it cuz its over extensive grinding OP as in Original Poster. That was to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krak_Nihilus Posted July 6, 2015 Author Share Posted July 6, 2015 Hey, Misa! Stop bringing to us much free exp and loot cuz we all came here for pointless shooting, not for farming and leveling :D Also: 50 meters. Yes because when I go to dark sector defense with pugs I go there to have fun, not to grind my @$$ off. People play games to have fun in general. Did I use Mesa to level fast? Yes, in a dedicated team where I went specifically for this and not to have fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EinheriarJudith Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 (edited) One of the Dev's made a topic about it revealing the changes incoming for Greedy Pull. To you, OP: It isn't the Mod's or the Frames that are the problem, it's the fact that the grind is so massive that players feel they need to resort to these kinds of Tactics to get anywhere in the game. Nerf the Grind is more accurate. im rank 19 and have all frames, sentinels, kubrow, large arrway of weapons some of which have 4 - 7 polarizations on them, and spent 0$ on plat if you think this game is grindy lol you need to play more video games. Edited July 6, 2015 by EinheriarJudith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiosGX Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 (edited) Whereas gmag only pulls loot, Nope.jpg Nope.jpg Nope.jpg Nope.jpg Nope.jpg Nope.jpg Nope.jpg Nope.jpg Nope.jpg Nope.jpg Nope.jpg Nope.jpg Nope.jpg Nope.jpg Nope.jpg Nope.jpg Nope.jpg Nope.jpg Nope.jpg Nope.jpg Nope.jpg Nope.jpg Nope.jpg Nope.jpg Nope.jpg Nope.jpg Nope.jpg Nope.jpg Nope.jpg There is a major difference between a GMag that's pulling loot into a team, and one that is using Pull non-stop the entire god damn time and getting enemies stuck in the map terrain, delaying completion from their standing in a bad spot and RELENTLESSLY spamming that one stupid move. Have seen about four intelligent, useful, functional GMags in my life that didn't just make the game a massive irritation. @OP, this entire thread kind of neglects that all Mesa has to do is cancel out of Peacemaker and go back into it once you pick up all your energy. In a thread I made a bit ago, I mentioned how I have never once requested a GMag for my Mesa, since a Sahasa Kubrow creates energy orbs, and does so in my immediate vicinity. Your suggested nerf would do nothing more than stop Mesa from shooting for about five seconds before she winds her fire rate back up to max again. Edited July 6, 2015 by DiosGX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinKenshin Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Nobody here claims that mesa is op. Read the whole post instead of jumping to conclusions based on title. It's not that long. it won't change anything....if you think about it, it'll be actually helpful to those who do this when mag pull energy, and mesa just started using PM, she'll just consume the energy orb for 5 energy instead of the whole 25 my point is mesa would just toggle off PM, pick up the energy and makes peace again....won't change anything :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)xXxGUNDORxXx Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 OP as in Original Poster. That was to me. oh, it means something different in destiny my bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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