Dojo Room Prices Are Fine.... For Actual Clans.

[Advanced-]

And by actual clans I mean anything with 10+ active members.

You don't need hundreds of members to build anything. Hell me and another member alone knocked out 90% of 2 rooms last night.

15k alloy? We got 500 in about 1-2 hours last night, per person in a party of 4. That's 2k easily, if you have 10 active players that's 5k in 2 hours with everyone contributing.

Not hard.

Nano spores? Same thing. They drop in hundreds! This was the first thing we finished, 120k is nothing, you can easily get 40k in about 3 hours.

This goes on and on.

If your clan has 3 people that isnt a clan. Thats just a friends list and a small one at that, the game needs to be balanced around actual clans, 3 man clans never go anywhere in other MMOs so why would you expect them to be viable here?

Its an MMO. Massivley Multiplayer Online Game.

Massive. Not small. You don't need to join hundred member clans, but you do need to join A clan. And if everyone contributes it isn't as hard as you think, at all.

Think of 15k alloy as 1.5k per member for a 10 member clan. Now it looks much easier doesn't it.

Edited May 24, 2013 by Bboy500

[3XT3RM1NATUS]

And now look at Forma requirements. 

[Jaxomfaux]

glad to know me and my 2 friends aren't a clan and never go anywhere, despite having done it just fine in other mmo's.

 

i don't mind a little extra work. it remains to be seen how bad a grind it is though, since i only have an hour or two every other night and i'm the most active.

 

and i don't want to just join some random huge clan just to see the loots.

[LordAsmolicious]

This guy speaks some truth. I have a small clan myself. some lightly active people (online once every so often. ) and my friends and me that are online quite often we havent started yet. mostly due to me suffering the CTD bug and it was 0:40AM( and the fix hadnt released yet so yeah. :P but guys it is possible just work hard!

[ThePresident777]

And now look at Forma requirements. 

[Advanced-]

glad to know me and my 2 friends aren't a clan and never go anywhere, despite having done it just fine in other mmo's.

 

i don't mind a little extra work. it remains to be seen how bad a grind it is though, since i only have an hour or two every other night and i'm the most active.

 

and i don't want to just join some random huge clan just to see the loots.

So you expect to reap the benefits of the same thing that takes others hours and days of teamwork for everyone else, just because you dont have the time?

If you are the most active with little playing time then reality is you guys don't deserve it that fast. Of course it will be hard.... it should be. Your playing a game all about grinding and RNG and you dont have the time to grind.

Why do you expect the same rewards?

[Advanced-]

I do agree on the formas though, those should not be required.

Other then that i think the system is fair.

[CrazyCanadian24]

Three words: goddamn f**king FORMA!

[ArsVampyre]

And by actual clans I mean anything with 10+ active members.

You don't need hundreds of members to build anything. Hell me and another member alone knocked out 90% of 2 rooms last night.

15k alloy? We got 500 in about 1-2 hours last night, per person in a party of 4. That's 2k easily, if you have 10 active players that's 5k in 2 hours with everyone contributing.

Not hard.

Nano spores? Same thing. They drop in hundreds! This was the first thing we finished, 120k is nothing, you can easily get 40k in about 3 hours.

This goes on and on.

If your clan has 3 people that isnt a clan. Thats just a friends list and a small one at that, the game needs to be balanced around actual clans, 3 man clans never go anywhere in other MMOs so why would you expect them to be viable here?

Its an MMO. Massivley Multiplayer Online Game.

Massive. Not small. You don't need to join hundred member clans, but you do need to join A clan. And if everyone contributes it isn't as hard as you think, at all.

Think of 15k alloy as 1.5k per member for a 10 member clan. Now it looks much easier doesn't it.

It's not an MMO. Can you play with a massive number of people at the same time? No, only 3 others. IT uses peer-to-peer networking. IT IS NOT AN MMO. IT IS NOTHING LIKE AN MMO.

This is the real answer; all of this is a paywall. Pay money, buy keys and forma, get into big clans to encourage people to keep spending more money, and you can have access to the content for Update 8. Don't spend money, well screw you, you lose access to content you already had (snipetron).

Pay to win. That's what the glaive was, that's what Voubon is, and that's what Update 8 is. All pay to win, because farming forma is a joke. That's like trying to farm Voubon blueprints.

And guess what, you still can't trade mods or blueprints, even to other clan members. Are all the small clans going to suck it up, or move on?

We'll see how DE responds. Right now, my guess is that they'll move on. Pay to win is going to kill this game.

[Feneckus]

And now look at Forma requirements.

This.

Nobody's really complaining about the amount of materials. At least it will keep us busy for a while.

But if you want all three labs, that's 45 forma. Then add a couple of reactors (+10) and some connectors (+15). You can easily reach 100.

For a 100 member clan it's no big deal at all. 1 forma per member.

For a 10 member one ? That's 10.

That's what is freaking ridiculous.

[Shardi]

I find it both funny and sad how everyone playing this game thinks they are entitles to INSTANTLy have EVERY SINGLE THING in the game. Glaive took a bit to get, and all normal people were okay with it. Vabaun takes a bit to get, and all normal people are okay with it. Clan Dojos will take a bit because You're not playing with Lego. You're building a badass space ninja fortress. 

 

OP speaks the truth. You don't need huge clan. You just need SOME clan. And clans aren't made by 5 friends. I have dropped about 5k alloys and 20k+ other resources myself on my clan's Dojo, and we're moving forward. We're all working towards a common goal, and all resources are FINALLY useful, instead of skipping everything unless you're playing in a system with alloy drops. Stop whining. Play the game. If you don't want to use a certain feature designed for clans, then don't. But then you have no right to whine about it.

[MrMitchel]

And now look at Forma requirements.

This^, to me it's the main problem to being part of a small clan.

[Feneckus]

But then you have no right to whine about it.

I'm totally fine with paying stuff because I don't want to wait for an alert.

Or because I want additional slots.

Or because I don't want to farm the parts of a warframe.

Or because I don't want to craft the weapon and want a potato immediately.

Or because I don't want to farm defense missions to get mods/void keys.

But if they want me to pay so I can stay in my small clan of friends, you can be damn sure I'm gonna whine. Because that's exactly what they've done.

[CrazyCanadian24]

I find it both funny and sad how everyone playing this game thinks they are entitles to INSTANTLy have EVERY SINGLE THING in the game.

 

There is a massive difference between something requiring some patience and something taking too damn long. Just look at forma requirements. 5 Forma for a "room" that has no real purpose other than to just be there. And do you know the worst part? You pretty much need these otherwise useless "rooms" to connect your dojo together. A simple dojo with only the necessary features (a reactor or two, dueling room, grand hall, research stations, a few connection hallways) would easily be pushing 100 Forma. That works out to 10 Forma per person in a 10-man clan, or 5 per head in a 20-man clan (20 is the limit of what should be considered a "small" clan). This is insane and completely unacceptable.

[stealthcl0wn]

But if they want me to pay so I can stay in my small clan of friends, you can be damn sure I'm gonna whine. Because that's exactly what they've done.

But you don't HAVE to pay to be in a clan.

[Law_Abiding_Engineer]

@Shardi, not everyone in smal clans feel ike they deserve to have the rooms built instatly and thus be able to ahve the same experience as large clans.  I, myself, don't mind if I have to wait for a month just to have a room made, but after the first one is built, then its oging to take a ton of time to get enough stuff again.  Also, it ruinsthe game experience because then, Im not playing missions, just to paly them, Im palying them just to farm materials, and that is what made me hate MMORPGs because farming stuff, takes long and is dull [rant]and of course, those who can drop real money on virtaul money, are able to buy everything, and thus are the lazy ones who have everything and like to show it off as if they are some how better than the rest[/rant]

 

 

Anywho, we'll see hwo things shape up and I will die from laughter if clans endup only being limited to like 3 or 4 mega clans, and those who are not in it, will never get the ability to compete with them.

[Kahruvel]

$6.66 for a Short Hallway.

[LotLP]

Pay to win. That's what the glaive was, that's what Voubon is, and that's what Update 8 is. All pay to win, because farming forma is a joke. That's like trying to farm Voubon blueprints.

...

We'll see how DE responds. Right now, my guess is that they'll move on. Pay to win is going to kill this game.

Yes. Obviously, this is pay to win. I am winning in this co-op game because I paid money. Do you see it guys? I paid real money and therefore I have... more... hallways... than you.

The glaive and vauban are both nowhere close to pay to win. You just have to get parts from an alert. You can even download an app to keep in check with the alerts. It's pay for CONVENIENCE.

[LotLP]

$6.66 for a Short Hallway.

That's nothing, here, we pay up to 9.50 for a footlong.

[Law_Abiding_Engineer]

Yes. Obviously, this is pay to win. I am winning in this co-op game because I paid money. Do you see it guys? I paid real money and therefore I have... more... hallways... than you.

The glaive and vauban are both nowhere close to pay to win. You just have to get parts from an alert. You can even download an app to keep in check with the alerts. It's pay for CONVENIENCE.

 

Coming from a Grand Master, i can see that yo ureally like things to be convient fo you...

 

 

Although I agree that the galve and vauban are not really the pay-to-win type of things, I do agree with the other guy because surrrrre its free to make a clan, but who wants to join you?   Who the hell would want to join some small clan when they can join a HUGGGGE clan and get lots of weapon mods and stuff without having to spend a single credit or resource?   Heck, I think Ill lurk around some and find a nice large clan, and grab as much stuff as i can and then ditch them if they need more resources.  Afterall, how will they know if I helped or didnt? I could just lie about it and they would have no idea if I was being honest or being a liar.  Oh, and even better, what if they rank you up to where you control resrouces?  I would be ashame if someone stole them all and ran away.

[BleuNoir]

I don't think they expect anyone to be done building any section of the Dojo in a minimum of 3 days, that's what it feels like to me.

 

They're trying to lengthen the span of the game, it feels like. I'm neutral on this one. 

[LotLP]

Coming from a Grand Master, i can see that yo ureally like things to be convient fo you...

 

 

Although I agree that the galve and vauban are not really the pay-to-win type of things, I do agree with the other guy because surrrrre its free to make a clan, but who wants to join you?   Who the hell would want to join some small clan when they can join a HUGGGGE clan and get lots of weapon mods and stuff without having to spend a single credit or resource?   Heck, I think Ill lurk around some and find a nice large clan, and grab as much stuff as i can and then ditch them if they need more resources.  Afterall, how will they know if I helped or didnt? I could just lie about it and they would have no idea if I was being honest or being a liar.  Oh, and even better, what if they rank you up to where you control resrouces?  I would be ashame if someone stole them all and ran away.

And what if I like things to be convenient? If that supports the developer, how exactly does that affect you?

Also, that's the attitude of a weakling right there. Don't wory for anything in your life, no matter what you do. Keep in mind, everyone and everything is here to suit your needs!

Do me a favor, try becoming mature.

[ArsVampyre]

Yes. Obviously, this is pay to win. I am winning in this co-op game because I paid money. Do you see it guys? I paid real money and therefore I have... more... hallways... than you.

The glaive and vauban are both nowhere close to pay to win. You just have to get parts from an alert. You can even download an app to keep in check with the alerts. It's pay for CONVENIENCE.

I have a Glaive. It took a month. I didn't mind, it was one blueprint, and future content wasn't always going to be that way, the devs said so. Then came Voubon, supposedly something to keep us occupied while they finished update 8 with it's tons of new content. But Voubon requires 3 blueprints, all on RNG for alerts. There have been two so far, both during times when any normal person in North America is at work or school. I realize DE doesn't control that, but they're rare enough to be as rare or more than potatoes, which DERebecca said they wouldn't be. They're rare enough that in my opinion, saying they're unobtainable in a reasonable amount of time is true. Time to start getting worried. Two pieces of content added, both behind virtual paywalls because you either buy with plat or you roll the dice over and over. You can't farm alerts, after all.

Then comes Update 8. Lots and lots of content; some big bugs, things look cool. I've seen the Grineer tileset and it is indeed nice. I've fought some of the new grineer enemies and they're cool (though Scorpion needs the kunai drag fixed, seems she can do it through solid objects and you're completely out of control while she drags you). The Kunai themselves are just a blueprint and a lot of basic materials.

Everything else is behind a paywall. "NO it's not, you can get forma through Alerts and login rewards and random quest rewards in void towers" Ah, but you won't. You'll get credits and artifacts from alerts, and occasional weapons or helms blueprints. You'll get credits, xp, or ammo boxes from login rewards. JUST LIKE YOU ALWAYS DO, because the RNG is broken (DE even knows it's broken and has said so). And void towers require keys, which cost 75 plat for 5 (if it doesn't bug on you and disappear 1 to 3 of them). "You can get those as rewards, or from login rewards, or alert missions, or random drops" And evidently some have. I haven't seen one, and I played 6+ hours between now and the release of Update 8. That's about what I play in two nights generally, so I can expect to take weeks to find one key, for a chance to find one forma.

And a hallway takes 5. Or, I can take that one forma, and polarize a slot and re-level a weapon into a better weapon.

Polarizing slots is a better investment of Forma, and the forma costs for HALLWAYS are too high, let alone rooms, and 90% of the content for U8 is locked behind void keys and dojo research.

All of which basically requires you spend absurd amounts of platinum.

If the frames are all super-high priced in platinum to encourage you to farm them instead, then why is the cost in forma, and thus platinum, on the rooms so high? So you can farm them? You can't farm them. You have to buy forma with platinum, because Forma is going to be the RAREST of the RARE of drops. Catalysts and Reactors are one blueprint. Forma is going to require you to get a void key and then hope you get a forma rather than another scythe handle or whatever.

If forma was one platinum, I probably wouldn't say anything. Sure, it's still a paywall, but it's a reasonable paywall. But the paywall here is ridiculous. 30 dollars for a virtual room, all so I can grind materials to maybe get access to the snipetron, which used to cost 50k credits and you didn't even have to wait to build it?

Update 8's pricing makes it's content Pay to win. There's almost nothing you don't have to pay for to get, except Kunai and the dethcube. Maybe that should be enough.

[Firebat86]

Why does everyone act as if Forma doesn't drop out of the void... My God you can freaking run missions to get keys to go to the void and try your hand at getting some, and if you don't? Well then you get pieces to some pretty cool stuff or BP's for it...

 

People who whine pay to win don't realize you can get it all through playing.  Sure it takes a lot longer, but like someone else said, it's pay to CONVENIENCE.

[Mak_Gohae]

And by actual clans I mean anything with 10+ active members.

You don't need hundreds of members to build anything. Hell me and another member alone knocked out 90% of 2 rooms last night.

15k alloy? We got 500 in about 1-2 hours last night, per person in a party of 4. That's 2k easily, if you have 10 active players that's 5k in 2 hours with everyone contributing.

Not hard.

Nano spores? Same thing. They drop in hundreds! This was the first thing we finished, 120k is nothing, you can easily get 40k in about 3 hours.

This goes on and on.

If your clan has 3 people that isnt a clan. Thats just a friends list and a small one at that, the game needs to be balanced around actual clans, 3 man clans never go anywhere in other MMOs so why would you expect them to be viable here?

Its an MMO. Massivley Multiplayer Online Game.

Massive. Not small. You don't need to join hundred member clans, but you do need to join A clan. And if everyone contributes it isn't as hard as you think, at all.

Think of 15k alloy as 1.5k per member for a 10 member clan. Now it looks much easier doesn't it.

 

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