Minigun Plz

[pkfire.]

I have been wanting the same thing for a while honestly. Something more closer to an HMG. More LMG's are welcome as well. The fire supression role can be quite enjoyable. Not just simply spraying but being able to hold down an area sort of thing when needed. DE could easily add in a minigun with some of the weapons they have already created in the past.

[Brimir]

Your pitiful attempt to mask your own incompetence does you no good.

 

Ad hominems is the last resort of someone who has lost the argument.

 

Keep attacking my person instead of explaining how a minigun is any less "ninjaish" than a rocket launcher, a grenade launcher or a flame thrower.

 

Or Hek, just explain to me how a regular automatic rifle is more "ninjaish" than a minigun. Or a shotgun.

 

Go on. I'm waiting with bathed breath.

[vaugahn]

All of those are compact weapons that compliment the inherent skillset of a ninja in any time frame.

 

[Brimir]

 

 

Hahaha, good show mate.

 

Good show indeed.

[Wolfssenger]

Except I didn't list the opticor, as it is part of of the minority of weapons that are undoutably not a part of the classification.

I'm at a loss as to why you brought this up.

[vaugahn]

Except I didn't list the opticor, as it is part of of the minority of weapons that are undoutably not a part of the classification.

I'm at a loss as to why you brought this up.

 

So...wait: your argument is that tenno can only use ninja-ish weapons (except all the ones that aren't ninja but those don't count)?

[Brimir]

Except I didn't list the opticor, as it is part of of the minority of weapons that are undoutably not a part of the classification.

I'm at a loss as to why you brought this up.

 

Because it is an hilarious example of how stupid your bias against weapons that are not "ninjaish" really is.

[pkfire.]

Except I didn't list the opticor, as it is part of of the minority of weapons that are undoutably not a part of the classification.

I'm at a loss as to why you brought this up.

Hm, how about the entire infested arsenal? Or you know, energy lab. Neither of those are ninja based. This game started out as a ninja game but it quickly expanded to a sci-fi co-op shooter with a vast arsenal. Nothing wrong with that, but to say that it is still a ninja based game with only ninja weapons at this point in time is false.

[Wolfssenger]

So...wait: your argument is that tenno can only use ninja-ish weapons (except all the ones that aren't ninja but those don't count)?

No, my argument is that the majority of weapons are acceptably compact/light/percise(barring heavy melees as they are still both melee and silent) to not be included in the category of "not ninja-ish" where he asserted that 90% of weapons are "not ninja-ish"

[Brimir]

No, my argument is that the majority of weapons are acceptably compact/light/percise(barring heavy melees as they are still both melee and silent) to not be included in the category of "not ninja-ish" where he asserted that 90% of weapons are "not ninja-ish"

 

Hyperbole.

 

Look it up.

[Wolfssenger]

Hm, how about the entire infested arsenal? Or you know, energy lab. Neither of those are ninja based. This game started out as a ninja game but it quickly expanded to a sci-fi co-op shooter with a vast arsenal. Nothing wrong with that, but to say that it is still a ninja based game with only ninja weapons at this point in time is false.

It's not required to be ninja-like(as there are only a handful of weapons that pertain to the traditional ninja, this is the future, you know) so long as they do not violate the character as a bulky rocket launcher or minigun would

[Brimir]

It's not required to be ninja-like(as there are only a handful of weapons that pertain to the traditional ninja, this is the future, you know) so long as they do not violate the character as a bulky rocket launcher or minigun would

 

Tenno are. not. ninja.

 

There is no "character" to be "violated" here.

[Wolfssenger]

Hyperbole.

Look it up.

You're assertion was "a majority"(even with the most extensive acceptable use of the literary device being assumed) meaning at the least over 50% which I guarentee you cannot factually support.

[Brimir]

You're assertion was "a majority"(even with the most extensive acceptable use of the literary device being assumed) meaning at the least over 50% which I guarentee you cannot factually support.

 

All rifles.

 

All shotguns.

 

All pistols.

 

All non-Asian melee weapons (i.e the European medieval weapons like the Gram)

 

All specialist weapons.

 

All Infested weapons.

 

Yeah I am pretty sure I can, actually. For the last time:

 

TENNO ARE NOT NINJA.

[Wolfssenger]

Tenno are. not. ninja.

There is no "character" to be "violated" here.

Yes because the slogan "Ninjas play free" and traditional martial arts form both in and out of combat(kneeling), the dojo and the emphasis on precise discipline have nothing to do with the ninja archetype.

[Wolfssenger]

All rifles.

All shotguns.

All pistols.

All non-Asian melee weapons (i.e the European medieval weapons like the Gram)

All specialist weapons.

All Infested weapons.

Yeah I am pretty sure I can, actually. For the last time:

TENNO ARE NOT NINJA.

Obvoiusly they are not traditional ninja. They are dubbed "space ninjas" for a reason. The fact that you even asserted the category "all rifles" shows you don't have a grasp on the criteria I already listed.

Also, I suggest calming down, caps are not nessecary.

Edited August 6, 2015 by superfishy36

[pkfire.]

It's not required to be ninja-like(as there are only a handful of weapons that pertain to the traditional ninja, this is the future, you know) so long as they do not violate the character as a bulky rocket launcher or minigun would

DE creates a complete variety of weaponry. They can be compact or completely bulky it does not matter at all. Sure, they may follow a specific sub genre theme like infested, energy lab, tenno and prime weaponry in style and design. But, they vary in shape and size. Seeing as how DE worked on the Unreal Tournament series and have incorporated several weapons from that game that are on the bulky side I fail to see what character they are violating. Like I said, it started out that way but it has expanded quite alot and will continue to do so. While I agree a gigantic weapon would look out of place, something between an LMG and HMG would be completely in line still with this games weapon progression.

[Brimir]

Obvoiusly they are not traditional ninja. They are dubbed "space ninjas" for a reason.

 

Now you're getting it.

 

Good.

 

Now you see why a Minigun isn't the big deal you make it out to be, surely?

Edited August 6, 2015 by Brimir

[Wolfssenger]

DE creates a complete variety of weaponry. They can be compact or completely bulky it does not matter at all. Sure, they may follow a specific sub genre theme like infested, energy lab, tenno and prime weaponry in style and design. But, they vary in shape and size. Seeing as how DE worked on the Unreal Tournament series and have incorporated several weapons from that game that are on the bulky side I fail to see what character they are violating. Like I said, it started out that way but it has expanded quite alot and will continue to do so. While I agree a gigantic weapon would look out of place, something between an LMG and HMG would be completely in line still with this games weapon progression.

There is yet to be a weapon that warrants firing from the hip, and there are already 2 LMGs in the game, and I would not object to a third. However, adding in a whole new class of weapon/weapon size before adressing critical problems with current weapons would be a notable mistake.

[Wolfssenger]

Now you're getting it.

Good.

Now you see why a Minigun isn't the big deal you make it out to be, surely?

My stance hasn't changed at all though it seems your understanding of it may have improved. While they are not traditional feudal japan ninjas, they uphold many of their traits(and those of traditional martial arts) namely being agility and speed, as well as secrecy and discipline. A minigun undeniably goes against several of these in archetypal connotations and application.

[pkfire.]

There is yet to be a weapon that warrants firing from the hip, and there are already 2 LMGs in the game, and I would not object to a third. However, adding in a whole new class of weapon/weapon size before adressing critical problems with current weapons would be a notable mistake.

If thats the topic we are going to branch of onto then yes I can agree with that last part. LMG's themselves in game still need refinement. But, my point is a minigun would be a fine addition to the game. It does not have to be right now at this very moment, but at some point in the future yes. I do want some more LMG's added but there role needs to be refined a bit. I do think with some of the latest changes to them DE is making some progress. But, they have more room for improvement on them.

[Brimir]

A minigun undeniably goes against several of these in archetypal connotations and application.

 

As does a freakin' rocket launcher!

 

You're not still not getting Tenno.

 

At all.

 

Take your "archetypical connotations and applications" and toss them in the garbage bin. Right now. Go on.

Edited August 6, 2015 by Brimir

[Wolfssenger]

If thats the topic we are going to branch of onto then yes I can agree with that last part. LMG's themselves in game still need refinement. But, my point is a minigun would be a fine addition to the game. It does not have to be right now at this very moment, but at some point in the future yes. I do want some more LMG's added but there role needs to be refined a bit. I do think with some of the latest changes to them DE is making some progress. But, they have more room for improvement on them.

By all means, they are making progress, my only real point is before granting a more outlandish request like this, there are more pressing matters pertaining to current weapons that should hr adressed. Thankfully unlike the other, we were able to reach a consensus due to speaking in a clear logical fashion. Thank you.

As does a freakin' rocket launcher!

You're not still not getting Tenno.

At all.

Take your "archetypical connotations and applications" and toss them in the garbage bin. Right now. Go on.

The current launchers do violate it, but none so much that they are so big they are fired from the hip

[vaugahn]

No, my argument is that the majority of weapons are acceptably compact/light/percise(barring heavy melees as they are still both melee and silent) to not be included in the category of "not ninja-ish" where he asserted that 90% of weapons are "not ninja-ish"

 

If you acknowledge that there are some weapons that aren't ninja-ish, then what's the problem with a minigun? That very fact means there's a place for non-ninja-ish weapons in the game.

 

Besides, Grineer and Corpus don't have to be ninja-ish anyways. Tenno aren't the only weapon manufacturer around.

 

 "Ninjas play free"

 

That doesn't mean the in-game characters are ninjas. The in-game characters aren't playing free.

[pkfire.]

By all means, they are making progress, my only real point is before granting a more outlandish request like this, there are more pressing matters pertaining to current weapons that should hr adressed. Thankfully unlike the other, we were able to reach a consensus due to speaking in a clear logical fashion. Thank you.

The current launchers do violate it, but none so much that they are so big they are fired from the hip

Not a problem, I have no issue having a discussion with anyone as long as they can accept to disagree on differing view points mutually. Everyone's free to their own opinions as long as its not forced onto others. Thank you as well.