Paris > Dread In My Book.

[splodead]

I think the idea for these two weapons is that you'd use the Dread against infested and possibly corpus, while using paris against armored units.

 

If Thunderbolt is one of the main ways you're dealing damage than I'd think Dread would be better with faster firing rate. 

 

Polarity slots aren't really an important difference at this point with Forma polarization. 

[KvotheTheArcane1]

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Polarity slots aren't really an important difference at this point with Forma polarization. 

Well, the 2 base slots are pretty important, for serration and multishot imo. And with prestige, it only matters if you have a forma to do it, which not everyone will have. (As it's not exactly a common drop, it's probably on level with potatoes)

[Anceto]

hm I would put this in the weapon bug section (with some pics of the damage you're dealing) because that sounds like a bug to me (assuming you didn't have any mods on it, and ignoring bonus damage vs factions like it has vs infested, nothing should deal 500+damage base I think) Have you tried it vs corpus yet? That's the next thing I'd also suggest, and see if it's just something vs grineer, or what. (and do it without mods obv, incase a mod is bugged out on it or something)

 

might as well, but before that, ima just try it with serration + AP mod 40% to see if there's any difference

 

edit: after putting it on, no difference in damage between corpus and grineer (armored and unarmored), and infected are still the same, but after taking the mods off, damage went down to 80-120s, so i guess something went wrong at that part ? because i got dc'ed when i was putting the mods on dread and when i got back on there were no mods on it

Edited May 25, 2013 by Ferrick

[onemoonlight]

if it had armor ignore it would be too similar to the paris, no? There have to be SOME tradeoffs to each weapon out there - otherwise they'd be the same, and it would be too boring. If they give it armor ignore with the stats it currenly has, it becomes an upgrade - a plainly better weapon; if they balance it out to be more on par with paris, it becomes a skin. Both would suck

 

dread has 2 polarity slots - so that you can pump more damage mods into it - faster draw, faster projectile travel time, more raw damage - so more damage to unarmored parts and headshots. It's a sidegrade, not an upgrade. It cant be a better weapon - devs said not once and not twice that they dont want one weapon or one mod build to dominate the game - they want variety, hence no upgrades and constant balancing

 

it is suppose to be useful in different situations and for different playstyles/enemies than the paris - if you cant find a use for it, it doesnt mean that everyone else cant. That's a very egoistic way of thinking

[Venarge]

Well, you are right about the armor thing. but what bow cuts people into pieces? Dread :D

[Kyte]

But its main use is now on trash mobs that mainly do damage via swarms and the bow is too slow to deal with swarms.

 

It's a bow. It's a slow-firing high-damage weapon. Even if it's faster than Paris, it's still a bow. Its very nature makes it ill-suited for swarms yet its damage type makes it best against Infested which work primarity through swarms. It's got basically no niche right now.

Edited May 25, 2013 by Kyte

[Anceto]

But its main use is now on trash mobs that mainly do damage via swarms and the bow is too slow to deal with swarms.

 

It's a bow. It's a slow-firing high-damage weapon. Even if it's faster than Paris, it's still a bow. Its very nature makes it ill-suited for swarms yet its damage type makes it best against Infested which work primarity through swarms. It's got basically no niche right now.

 

that's just simply your opinion though, i found that its rather  effective against both bosses and grunts, and yes its a bow, it was made for stealth from the very beginning and unlike snipetrons or the like, it doesn't come with the slow as hell recharge time, and since it has a 3x damage against infected, no charge is needed to clear the swarm... doi

 

just because you can't make use of it, doesn't mean others can't

Edited May 25, 2013 by Ferrick

[Kyte]

It does 3x againt non-ancient infected, the kind that you need the least help with.

[onemoonlight]

if you think a weapon is bad, dont use said weapon. You have plenty to choose from. If you already bought it then S#&$, i guess you gonna rank it up to 30, leave it/sell it and go on with your business, huh?

 

all weapons in this game are amazing if you potato and mod them heavily, while most of them are pretty crap vanilla. Dread needs no work done to it

[matrixEXO]

Just a pop up here from someone who has both. The reason why Dread can dismember enemies is because it's damage type is actually slashing (which also is the reason why it has 3x damage bonus on Infested). Paris' damage type is pierce, judging from the design.

Edited May 25, 2013 by matrixEXO

[Anceto]

It does 3x againt non-ancient infected, the kind that you need the least help with.

 

Dread + Vauban + Vortex + Thunderbolt = ???? = lol what ancient

[D3thpool]

the dread also has built in puncture.

was able to kill incoming 4 corpus crewman with a single shot & it nailed them all in one place.

[KvotheTheArcane1]

the dread also has built in puncture.

was able to kill incoming 4 corpus crewman with a single shot & it nailed them all in one place.

paris can do this too

 

Dread + Vauban + Vortex + Thunderbolt = ???? = lol what ancient

I think it's vs non ancient infested, but I'm not sure (also the ancient's armor hurts it's damage even if it does deal 3x vs it.)

[Anceto]

paris can do this too

 

I think it's vs non ancient infested, but I'm not sure (also the ancient's armor hurts it's damage even if it does deal 3x vs it.)

 

yes the paris can puncture too, but i'm not too sure about the dread, because its more or less "hit and miss" because sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't

 

nah, the 3x doesn't work on ancients, but thunderbolt does kill them in one hit, just kinda wished i knew on what the damage was (thunderbolt arrows don't display damage at all)

[Kyte]

Dread + Vauban + Vortex + Thunderbolt = ???? = lol what ancient

Right, because forcing you to use the super-hard to get frame is a great idea.

[Anceto]

Right, because forcing you to use the super-hard to get frame is a great idea.

 

done that with loki too, the easiest-to-get-frame-simply-because-its-a-starting-frame, your point ?

Edited May 25, 2013 by Ferrick

[Kyte]

done that with loki too, the easiest-to-get-frame-simply-because-its-a-starting-frame, your point ?

Sorry but I decided to go with Mag, Banshee and Saryn so no slots for Loki. Your point?

You have to make any weapon viable with any frame. Maybe more or less useful but still "useful".

Edited May 25, 2013 by Kyte

[Anceto]

Sorry but I decided to go with Mag, Banshee and Saryn so no slots for Loki. Your point?

You have to make any weapon viable with any frame. Maybe more or less useful but still "useful".

 

oh i'm sorry, i simply mentioned loki simply because he is very easy to get unlike the hard-to-get Vauban, and the fact that i made peanut butter jelly out of ancients with only my trusty ol' bow doesn't make it any less useful now does it

[Kyte]

Well I've fighting ancients now with Saryn Mag and Banshee and I see no peanut butter jelly-ing.

And come to think of it, if it needs the rare Thunderbolt to be useful, isn't that a failure in itself? Thunderbolt is supposed to make the bow more fun, not passably good.

Edited May 25, 2013 by Kyte

[Anceto]

Well I've fighting ancients now with Saryn Mag and Banshee and I see no peanut butter jelly-ing.

And come to think of it, if it needs the rare Thunderbolt to be useful, isn't that a failure in itself? Thunderbolt is supposed to make the bow more fun, not passably good.

 

if you can't even do it with banshee... then you're doing something terribly wrong

[Kahruvel]

There are two types of armor in this game: Damage resistance, and vulnerability to armor piercing. You still get a bonus from using Piercing Hit on the Paris; AP damage mods are elemental, and Grineer are extremely vulnerable to it. Armor ignore is for innate non-elemental resistances on Grineer. Likewise, bonus Infested damage simply ignores their innate resistance, but fire elemental mods still add damage on top of it.

[Kyte]

if you can't even do it with banshee... then you're doing something terribly wrong

I don't feel like using Sonar every time an Ancient appears. Maybe I should, but Sonar will make anything into a kill machine so that doesn't mean the Dread has any particular synergy with Banshee.

 

 

 

There are two types of armor in this game: Damage resistance, and vulnerability to armor piercing. You still get a bonus from using Piercing Hit on the Paris; AP damage mods are elemental, and Grineer are extremely vulnerable to it. Armor ignore is for innate non-elemental resistances on Grineer. Likewise, bonus Infested damage simply ignores their innate resistance, but fire elemental mods still add damage on top of it.

Yes, so?

Edited May 25, 2013 by Kyte

[KamaNightfire]

if you think a weapon is bad, dont use said weapon. You have plenty to choose from. If you already bought it then S#&$, i guess you gonna rank it up to 30, leave it/sell it and go on with your business, huh?

 

all weapons in this game are amazing if you potato and mod them heavily, while most of them are pretty crap vanilla. Dread needs no work done to it

never said it was bad, i was pointing out that a much harder to obtain weapon does less in total than it's normal counter-part unmodded, I shouldn't have to stack mods to make it surpass a Paris. The slightly higher base damage ( and i do mean slight) as well as extra damage against infected is not a good tradeoff for having to now worry about armor.

The " Dread " is obtained only by the stalker as a " possible " drop, and that's if you manage to kill him before he teleports away, or like myself you pay 800 Platinum for the package to obtain it with 2 other weapons, that's about $40.

[Aniron]

you may need mods to surpass a Paris, but due to the enormes scaling of the 33% higher basedmg, the 50% higher Chargedamage and the 33% higher Critdmg with all elemental and dmg mods (some enemy spots take up 400% elemental damage, so the higher dmg from the Dread, too, is quadrupled) it surpasses a paris with the same mod layout. Due to all the percentages and multiplier from mods and vulnerabilities from enemies that the damage is calculated on, 50% more Damage makes such a huge difference, that a paris can´t compete with a Dread anymore. At least in my experience. Even as you shoot on a fully armored target, due to the fact that each element is calculated from the base damage before the armor reduction is applied.