Seriously?!

[Ashengrace]

Everything about the Dojo is unreasonable and outrageous. Its complete and utter rubbish! The amount of materials needed for even the smallest of rooms is unrealistic. Then to top it off, you want forma? Have you lost your mind?

 

This update completely ruined the game, its now about clans, huge clans, cause if you are not in a huge clan there's no way you can farm the materials for even a single room in the dojo, let alone multiple. It screws the small guys out of playing the game to its full potential. This is sure to drive people away, i know im considering uninstalling.

 

I really liked this game because of the "solo" aspect, you could accomplish just about everything on your own. Sure you have to party to complete missions but you were not limited if you just play for fun, farm materials, craft items, level up gear, etc. Being forced to be part of a huge clan that has many contributing players has taken the fun out of the game. The clan i have with my 3 other friends will never be able to progress in the Dojo, and thus wont be able to progress in the game over all. So whats the point in playing it?

 

Good job ruining a potentially great game!

[KIll3RX15]

one mistake doesn't ruin the game it just came out yesterday, yes they are outrageously Over priced but they can fix that in patches so calm down a bit

Edited May 24, 2013 by KIll3RX15

[MrGrae]

I always love these rants about how a single update that, while making some large mistakes, only adds to the core of the game which is, widely regarded, as pretty damn good, has therefore "ruined the game"

[KatanaWielder]

Don't use a Dojo then. Keep playing as if update 8 never happened.

[Annnoth]

I agree with him on the idea that it's outrageous in costs but it far from ruins it. You don't get access to 13 weapons... great... it sucks but I can live with it. This is still no excuse for the high costs, there is no excuse.

 

Also is there a point in making large clans? normally people make clans, or guilds to take on huge bosses in 20 person battle. we can only host 4 people at max and most bosses can be killed with only 2 given one is a healer. 

[Ashengrace]

I realize that the update was released less than 24 hours ago, but last i checked, this is the FEEDBACK section. If i were a game dev, i would like to know how pleased or displeased people are so things can be prioritized and addressed accordingly for future updates. If people are saying that something is a game killer, then that would be on top of my list of things to address. Sure they are going to need time to fix it, but they are going to need the feedback so they know what needs to be fixed.

[Gladhe8her]

Everything about the Dojo is unreasonable and outrageous. Its complete and utter rubbish! The amount of materials needed for even the smallest of rooms is unrealistic. Then to top it off, you want forma? Have you lost your mind?

 

This update completely ruined the game, its now about clans, huge clans, cause if you are not in a huge clan there's no way you can farm the materials for even a single room in the dojo, let alone multiple. It screws the small guys out of playing the game to its full potential. This is sure to drive people away, i know im considering uninstalling.

 

I really liked this game because of the "solo" aspect, you could accomplish just about everything on your own. Sure you have to party to complete missions but you were not limited if you just play for fun, farm materials, craft items, level up gear, etc. Being forced to be part of a huge clan that has many contributing players has taken the fun out of the game. The clan i have with my 3 other friends will never be able to progress in the Dojo, and thus wont be able to progress in the game over all. So whats the point in playing it?

 

Good job ruining a potentially great game!

I dont think that it has ruined the game... they are encouraging clans to grow...

[KIll3RX15]

well this isn't "feedback" it's more of an angry rant try to be more constructive tell them what they did wrong not say the game is ruined

[Guest]

Don't use a Dojo then. Keep playing as if update 8 never happened.

[EchoLG]

I dont think that it has ruined the game... they are encouraging clans to grow...

Forcing people to get into clans in order to access more game content is not 'Encouraging clans to grow' it's forcing people to play in a way they don't want to.

[Avaronja]

I dont think that it has ruined the game... they are encouraging clans to grow...

 

There are many people like me who don't enjoy large clans because you just end up with lots of people you don't really know anyway. My current clan has about 50 people now and that's okay for my taste since what you end up with is a core of about 20 active people anyway, but even then, the costs are painful and the new focus on clans hurts the game since it mitigates the personal effort when another clan can progress much faster at much less effort simply because they are hundreds of people.

[Reiketsu]

I don't know about Ruining the game, but It does feel like WAY to much at this point in time.

My clan has been playing sense closed beta and It still doesn't have the resources to support it.

I understand that as a Smaller, Invite only group, It would be harder, however; time and sheer amount of accumulated resources from playing so long, you would think it would at-least meat some sort of minimum standard.

There isn't even an option to outright buy the block either, which is something we would probably consider if it was available.

We do need to keep in mind that It's the first few days of release, they may just be working out the balance for the time being.

[Emotitron]

Rage posts with titles that are completely nebulous are far more ruinous to the game.

 

Just state your case clearly and calmly, the Devs are very responsive - but yes they are making this up as they go along and likely got this wrong.

 

Try to consider the fact that they may be erring on the side of caution, as it is much easier to lower the costs of things slower than it is to increase them. Generally new items are going to be harder to obtain as well, as the hope is to encourage platinum sales up front before slowly making new items more easily obtainable to the masses.

 

The world has not ended because you can't have something you want RIGHT THIS MINUTE!!!!@#@#$!

[TheHeraldXII]

As the leader of a clan with 4-10 guys depending on how much DotA they end up playing, it's not that bad really. If your issue is that you can't build the dojo within the week then maybe you should consider that is isn't meant to be. For me and my friends to get these resources I figue it'll take us two months and really, it's just a side project.

Now to contradict myself a little, the forma costs are ridiculous, getting even one of the blighters takes a lot of effort and needing an average of 5 per hallway is completely insane, I feel like that should be altered in some way.

[Maninas]

You seem to be lacking some perspective right now. Go cool off, have a nice cup of tea or something and then come back and clarify your concerns. If you still feel the same way, by all means, uninstall the game, this community already has too many angry and whining members as it is.

[stivoknis]

You can still play the game just fine alone.  All someone is missing out on is some shiny new weapons.  Why should you care?  Most of the game can be completed with a braton and a skana.

 

Also, don't give up so easily.  No one said building a dojo would be easy.  Give it some time.  Go out and farm with your friends.  Then when you build a few rooms and get a small dojo, the reward will be much greater than an already completed dojo.

[Code_Grey]

I'm so so sorry that some weapons and some rooms are too overpriced to you. This truly ruins the entire game. Why bother playing if you can't just have a few hallways and a duelling room? I think I now regret buying a Founder. Warframe is now the worst game in existance.

 

No, no no.

 

All I agree with here, is room prices need to be scaled down depending on how many people are in the clan.

 

What I don't agree with, is little jimmy throwing his toys out of the pram.

[PaperAlien]

There was a reason that the ME3 Demo received less negative views than the full game. That reason was because the demo.... is a demo, and people played it expecting its faults to be fixed in the full game. No text chat? Surely they'd implement it in the full game. Horrible textures? Definitely placeholders.

When the full game turned out to be exactly the same, then it became a problem, because there's no more promise of these issues being fixed.

It's a similar deal with this update (if you disagree with it. I kinda do). If you don't like this update, it is not simply possible to "keep playing as if update 8 never happened," because the core game which is "pretty damn good," was still lacking in end-game content, and people accepted that flaw because it was in Beta, and new endgame content would definitely be incoming. Come update 8, the end-game content (I'm fully aware they'll be more in the future, but right now, this is as close as it gets) turns out to be restricted to rare items (Void) or requiring lots of rare items AND compounding the game's problematic emphasis on farming. Suddenly, the promise of a good endgame is replaced by currently questionable endgame content. This has, therefore, affected the formerly "pretty damn good" core game, contrary to popular belief.

Yes, I'm aware any of this can change, and I have faith in DE for this, and I still do find this a pretty good game, but I'm just putting it out there that a bad update can in fact change previous content.

Edited May 25, 2013 by PaperAlien

[TennoSkoom]

I'm so so sorry that some weapons and some rooms are too overpriced to you. This truly ruins the entire game. Why bother playing if you can't just have a few hallways and a duelling room? I think I now regret buying a Founder. Warframe is now the worst game in existance.

 

No, no no.

 

All I agree with here, is room prices need to be scaled down depending on how many people are in the clan.

 

What I don't agree with, is little jimmy throwing his toys out of the pram.

Quoted for truth.

 

 

@OP

I have a small clan (less than 30) with only about 8 of us particularly active. We're working together to plan and build rooms and while we don't have anything fancy yet- just a couple reactors and some cross sections- but it gives us something to work towards, especially the warlords (myself and a friend) whom- prior to u8- were pretty much capped on mastery and out of things to do.

 

Scaling should be implemented- and knowing DE, it probably will be along with a bunch of awesome new features- in time.- but lets not forget that Update 8 was a huge content update that's given older players a lot more to work towards that will take some time to achieve. This is good for DE because they can (and hopefully will) capitalize on this to shift focus to bug-fixes, ui improvements, balance issues, and movement mechanics

 

Adding new content is great- and required to keep people playing- but if DE's always crunching for new content to keep up with player progression- there's not much time to go back and rework/improve existing content. People seem to often forget that DE's a small indie dev- not some company like Valve, EA, SquareEnix, Nintendo, etc. Their manpower is rather limited. The dojo's along with the void missions allow breathing room for them in terms of keeping up with player progression and the content added in U8 should buy DE enough time to go back and review/fix/improve existing content without losing player interest. Remember, Warframe is Open Beta and still undergoing content development. There's a lot to fix, and a lot more awesome to add- it takes time.

 

But yeah, seriously. Chill out, relax- you don't need to have everything in the game overnight- and if you did- don't you think you'd get bored quickly? Is it not more rewarding to finally finish something after working at it for awhile than to just have it handed to you on silver platter?

Edited May 25, 2013 by AnalogAnomaly

[Skullker]

So you're sad that you cant acces new content cause you're a lone wolf kind a guy? I have an Idea how about "intruding"? This should be interesting if ya think about it. Let there be a mechanic to sneak in to other clans instalations and mess around for a bit, go on a little killing spree (unless you get wacked first :P). Of course after an intrusion there should be a cool down until the next intrusion can be done lets say 12 hours. It's just an idea, that came to mind now, nothing refined, of course there should be some balancing in player levels, scaling and maybe some kind of reward for intruding-defending the Dojo. Also if this doesnt seem apealing how about challenging the Dojo? You win-you get acces to everything they have, you lose-try again in 12 hours.

[Xyfer]

Everything about the Dojo is unreasonable and outrageous. Its complete and utter rubbish! The amount of materials needed for even the smallest of rooms is unrealistic. Then to top it off, you want forma? Have you lost your mind?

 

This update completely ruined the game, its now about clans, huge clans, cause if you are not in a huge clan there's no way you can farm the materials for even a single room in the dojo, let alone multiple. It screws the small guys out of playing the game to its full potential. This is sure to drive people away, i know im considering uninstalling.

 

I really liked this game because of the "solo" aspect, you could accomplish just about everything on your own. Sure you have to party to complete missions but you were not limited if you just play for fun, farm materials, craft items, level up gear, etc. Being forced to be part of a huge clan that has many contributing players has taken the fun out of the game. The clan i have with my 3 other friends will never be able to progress in the Dojo, and thus wont be able to progress in the game over all. So whats the point in playing it?

 

Good job ruining a potentially great game!

Know how you feel, but there's no need to rant about it right? It's still in alpha stage, not a complete feature yet, there's bound to be some problem. So all we can do now is to give constructive feedback, probably you could include a poll as well on whether the materials requirement should be lowered or not. Most likely the devs will consider patching this up on the next patch. :)

[Emolition]

Yeah not a fan of huge clans and no way I'm joing any of the 50 clans that spam global chat how many members they have and stuff. My own clan got like 6 members 2 active  and 4 that I got no clue if they play or not anymore. So for the 2 of us just to get the 20 forma for the great hall gonna take quiet awile =)

[Jun-Mai]

euhm I hope they will add long hallways WITHOUT forma, I could make such awesome layouts, (btw also reduce the costs for hallways itself) 

[MoonicusMaximus]

I like the part where he complains he can't see content aimed towards clans and groups of people, while also explaining that he prefers solo.