Ember, What Makes Her Special?

[Thereddic]

I recently built Ember, enthused at the idea of a Frame that uses a lot of powers, especially since after her WoF duration was fixed, apparently she was really good, but I'm not seeing it. Her Fireball doesn't really do anything, Overheat is kinda helpful, but I never seem to be taking enough damage to warrant its use, and I've been running her on Pluto with no defenses beyond a lvl 0 Redirection because the frame is only lvl 15 right now without issue. Fire Blast seems useful against infested on defense missions, and WoF seems strong...until Saryn or anyone else presses 4 and all enemies ever are now dead. Am I missing something here? People seem really fond of this frame, but I'm not seeing what it does better than anyone else.

[MaduSciuntistu]

Dat &#!.

[KvotheTheArcane1]

She's great vs infested, that's her strong point. on xini, or any infested mission overall she's great

Edited May 26, 2013 by KvotheTheArcane1

[Kiteless]

Fireball is pretty useless, but her other skills are pretty good.

 

Even if you're not taking much damage in the first place, it is worth noting that Overheat does some pretty good damage to nearby enemies, making it a great skill to use while using melee. World on Fire's biggest benefit is that its potential range is much larger than most ult AoEs.

[KenseiSeraph]

I find mine works amazingly in Infested Defense missions.

[A5PECT]

...WoF seems strong...until Saryn or anyone else presses 4 and all enemies ever are now dead. Am I missing something here?

If you're trying to use World on Fire the same way you use Miasma, you're doing it wrong.

 

As soon as you recognize that there's a large number of enemies in the area - regardless of their exact positioning - you activate the power and tear &#! across the battlefield. You don't have to wait for enemies to bunch up beacuse the entire advantage of her ult is that if you run out of targets in your initial AoE, you can go find more.

 

Ember isn't about just pushing a button and waiting for enemies to die. It's about quickly traversing the environment and using your regular attacks to amplify her powers' damage outputs to create as much destruction as efficiently as possible over as large an area as you can.

Edited May 26, 2013 by A5PECT

[Zeddypanda]

World on Fire's strength lies in how adaptable it is. You can distribute it over a large area by activating it and sprinting, or you can let it work its magic on few targets. All of Ember's skills feel a little weaker than any of their direct competitors; this is intended, as Ember has a lot more energy to burn. She's also pretty good, defensively, even without Overheat due to her innately high shield regeneration.

 

 

I think of her as a Jill-of-all-trades, master of none. She can do most things other frames can do, just not as well as them. On the other hand, thanks to her high energy pool, she can do it a lot.

[DivineBovine]

Dem thighs.

[KvotheTheArcane1]

Dem thighs.

if you look, it's actually armor mostly.

[Kiteless]

Think of it like this: Saryn clears rooms, Ember clears entire damn maps.

 

 

if you look, it's actually armor mostly.

 

Doesn't change the fact that she looks like the BURNING INFERNO CHICKEN OF DEATH.

[KvotheTheArcane1]

Think of it like this: Saryn clears rooms, Ember clears entire damn maps.

 

 

 

Doesn't change the fact that she looks like the BURNING INFERNO CHICKEN OF DEATH.

It does not true, but it makes her look slightly les chicken like.

[Grilleds]

Ember has 3 skills that are basically "Touch-me-and-die" during the duration. One of them gives her absurd damage resistance, and another one holds an area down for a while.

Overall, her skills lend to her being a melee frame. With Overheat additionally giving her immunity to poison, disruption, and explosive barrels (oddly enough).

[Thereddic]

thing is though, in my experience, her Damage resistance leaves something to be desired. I go up to Hek with Overheat on and I fall down pretty damn fast. And if it wears off, I just fall over instantaneously. Her "touch me and die" skills don't seem to be making things die as advertised, considering my maxed level overheat isn't dropping things on Tolstoj any faster than, well anywhere else. Do I need to potato her and shove maxed out all of the caster mods on her before she gets the ability to brawl through the hordes of enemies as advertised? Cause I'm not sure its worth risking the potato, even though I have like, 7 of them (I've been here since April and have yet to spend one, they add up)

[MarcusGraves]

thing is though, in my experience, her Damage resistance leaves something to be desired. I go up to Hek with Overheat on and I fall down pretty damn fast. And if it wears off, I just fall over instantaneously. Her "touch me and die" skills don't seem to be making things die as advertised, considering my maxed level overheat isn't dropping things on Tolstoj any faster than, well anywhere else. Do I need to potato her and shove maxed out all of the caster mods on her before she gets the ability to brawl through the hordes of enemies as advertised? Cause I'm not sure its worth risking the potato, even though I have like, 7 of them (I've been here since April and have yet to spend one, they add up)

 

ember is worth a reactor, follow these steps

 

-max overheat: damage resist goes up to 70% at max and this applies to shields and health, focus also increases the resist (somewhere around 90%) but not damage. skill is more for the resist than damage and it pretty much perma stuns any infested in melee range and some other mobs because of fire damage

-max world on fire

-WoF is better than fireblast which is honestly kinda poop now, really optional

-don't use fireball its complete poop which is fine you don't need it

-equip maxed stretch

-equip maxed streamline

-equip maxed focus (now works with WoF)

-maxed rush helps spread WoF by getting around faster

-flow is preference, i use it at rank 3

-maxed guardian on sentinal is very helpful (shade is also pretty good to float in and out of melee)

 

you are now effective vs all factions

Edited May 26, 2013 by MarcusGraves

[MoonicusMaximus]

I just got done with a Kiste run with some higher-than-normal Grineer spawn rates, playing as Ember.

 

Final tally was for me was 456 kills, with the second highest being 101. The 101 was a Saryn who was, in my opinion, pretty Miasma-happy.

 

Needless to say I'm pretty happy with her at the moment.

[TunaMayo]

This is how i ride my ember (pun unintended) and it is my favourite frame by far. I love running around and letting things die.

 

Overheat and WOF only. Maxed

 

Flow, Streamline, Focus, Rush and Stretch.

 

Use overheat + World on fire, run around like a headless chicken letting everything die, infested or not (you get like 400-500 damage a tick....), and rinse and repeat. 

 

Things die around you and you're a tank, it's just so much fun.

 

At present my overheat is bugged so I'm invincible, but you still get 91% damage reduction with maxed Focus. 

 

Trust me, worth the tater. 

[rhoenix]

I don't know if this got mentioned recently, but another user (I honestly forget the username) pointed out an evil, nasty trick that Ember can use. I really, really, truly hope it's not a bug, and meant to work this way, because it truly fits how the frame works.

It goes like this: Activate World on Fire, and immediately after the casting animation, activate Overheat. Everything within a radius of slightly more than Fire Blast BURNS. Moreover, Stretch increases this radius.

It's costly in terms of energy, yes. But Ember's speed, versatility at causing damage, and relative toughness for a caster frame really made me like playing Ember again.

Edited May 27, 2013 by rhoenix

[TheHeraldXII]

thing is though, in my experience, her Damage resistance leaves something to be desired. I go up to Hek with Overheat on and I fall down pretty damn fast. And if it wears off, I just fall over instantaneously. Her "touch me and die" skills don't seem to be making things die as advertised, considering my maxed level overheat isn't dropping things on Tolstoj any faster than, well anywhere else. Do I need to potato her and shove maxed out all of the caster mods on her before she gets the ability to brawl through the hordes of enemies as advertised? Cause I'm not sure its worth risking the potato, even though I have like, 7 of them (I've been here since April and have yet to spend one, they add up)

Gonna call you out here, without focus to give me any extra damage I wandered through Mercury and Saturn casually killing everything near me in one or two ticks of Overheat and only Overheat. That and the damage reduction gets her effective shield up to 3.3~x what it normally is

On my Ember right now, that's more shield than my Rhino if he pops Iron Skin, and all this without a focus mod.

As for Fireball, it is pretty much worthless. Fire Blast is pretty good because you can pop that and WoF at the same time, and WoF is downright amazing.

Also, how the balls did you get through Pluto with only 340 shield and call your abilities underwhelming? Did you just sit in cover and use kitted out weapons or did you play online and have a team carry you?

[Thereddic]

Gonna call you out here, without focus to give me any extra damage I wandered through Mercury and Saturn casually killing everything near me in one or two ticks of Overheat and only Overheat. That and the damage reduction gets her effective shield up to 3.3~x what it normally is

On my Ember right now, that's more shield than my Rhino if he pops Iron Skin, and all this without a focus mod.

As for Fireball, it is pretty much worthless. Fire Blast is pretty good because you can pop that and WoF at the same time, and WoF is downright amazing.

Also, how the balls did you get through Pluto with only 340 shield and call your abilities underwhelming? Did you just sit in cover and use kitted out weapons or did you play online and have a team carry you?

 

Little of column A, little of column B. a fair bit of column C (fighting my way through while yelling about how manly Fieldron is and the greatness of BATONS). Team was pretty useful, but I pulled my own weight...until we got to wave 15 and I died instantaneously to everything.

Edited May 27, 2013 by Thereddic

[TunaMayo]

Gonna call you out here, without focus to give me any extra damage I wandered through Mercury and Saturn casually killing everything near me in one or two ticks of Overheat and only Overheat. That and the damage reduction gets her effective shield up to 3.3~x what it normally is

On my Ember right now, that's more shield than my Rhino if he pops Iron Skin, and all this without a focus mod.

As for Fireball, it is pretty much worthless. Fire Blast is pretty good because you can pop that and WoF at the same time, and WoF is downright amazing.

Also, how the balls did you get through Pluto with only 340 shield and call your abilities underwhelming? Did you just sit in cover and use kitted out weapons or did you play online and have a team carry you?

 

I do pluto all the time with ember, 0 redirection mods. Just rely on overheat and rush and wof to kill stuff.

[Gearb0x]

I just reactored my Ember today and threw on: Max Overheat and WoF.  Max Stretch, Streamline, Focus, Continuity.  Rank 1 Flow.  I use a high level Redirection (currently rank 9) and have room for a max.

 

I solo'd Xini to win wave 10 with Kunai and WoF.

 

Screenshots:

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=148205747

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=148205701

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=148205672

Edited May 27, 2013 by Gearb0x

[Amistyrja]

Ember is hot.

[Phoenix86]

I just reactored my Ember today and threw on: Max Overheat and WoF.  Max Stretch, Streamline, Focus, Continuity.  Rank 1 Flow.  I use a high level Redirection (currently rank 9) and have room for a max.

 

I solo'd Xini to win wave 10 with Kunai and WoF.

 

Screenshots:

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=148205747

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=148205701

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=148205672

 

Lol awesome xD

 

I just leveled her to 30 and wondering if potato her or not... Ash fresh from foundry right now... will play him till 30 and then decide... (rank 6 is hard to reach!)

[Ragingwolfpup]

okay, i have a ember, and while playing mobile defense on serda, or whatever the planet is called. a Banshee and a Saryn were present. both looked like they spent money. one obvious reason their armor had color on it. and they had the stalker pack. anyway mobile defense is where you hold one location then move to the next. anyway onto the point. Banshee and Saryn were both present both doing their ults. where was I? running around like an maniac and setting the damn ship on fire. in the end. Banshee only got 83 kills and Saryn had 132, me as ember i got 387 kills. sorry but the pic wont upload cause my computer is crappy. sorry x.x

 

but needless to say, i was going to build a saryn, but when i out killed her i said this, " to hell with all the other warframes", i believe that no other warframe can really compare to ember, just because of the sole fact that she has a mobile ult. she may be the jack of all trades, but i will say this. she isnt cause she has mastered the art. of leaving tons of bodies when she walks through the hallways of a ship.

 

[MoonicusMaximus]

Ember's ult is great for groups. But if you need things dead right then and there, for whatever reason be it pod danger or picking up an ally, direct damage ults will beat World on Fire in this regard, as the targets for the 3 streams of fire from WoF are random, and do not switch until the target dies. You'll have an easier time killing a big group of Ancients with something like Miasma, while WoF is great at clearing out waves of mooks.