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Forma Needs To Be Removed As A Construction Material

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Play Void, farm Forma and stop the whine.

 

Thanks in advance!

 

Haze

Thank you for that inspirational and intelligent post.

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And then came the day where an Initiate with one post revealed the true meaning of gaming. Everyone in the community bowed to dat wisdom.

Again. If the only point you have is quit complaining, just don't get into the topic.

Thanks.

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I agree. If using orokin catalysts and reactors were building requirements, people would flip out. Forma is just like those other two items, and priced exactly the same. Having it be a building requirement is pretty awful.

 

And the most recent room i went to assemble needed 15 of them.

That's insane.

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2.  Scaling the costs of Forma based on the size of the clan

Well, yesterday's Livestream sounded like they're going to take that way. 

I would have preferred your initial proposal (along with DSMK2's). We're seven people in my clan with only four of us playing WF regularly. I've got two Forma from login rewards (and already spent them for upgrade), a friend found a BP by chance - and that's it. Even if they cut down the costs for smallest size clans to 1/5 of the current, that will still be 15 (instead of 75) Forma only for the research track.

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I think it shoule change to use rare resources like gallium or orokin cells instead of forma.Forma is too expensive for small clans,also,some building that are not related to forma still need some forma.I mean,if thats like a orcale,it will be kinda okay to require forma,but a elevator or a hallway is really unreasonable to need forma to build them.

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And the most recent room i went to assemble needed 15 of them.

That's insane.

 

Not to mention resources. That will even be kinda of legit. I mean some weapons requires a small number of mats and other thousands. But just saying play void for forma is just bollocks. Is essentially farming for farming.

 

Well, yesterday's Livestream sounded like they're going to take that way. 

I would have preferred your initial proposal (along with DSMK2's). We're seven people in my clan with only four of us playing WF regularly. I've got two Forma from login rewards (and already spent them for upgrade), a friend found a BP by chance - and that's it. Even if they cut down the costs for smallest size clans to 1/5 of the current, that will still be 15 (instead of 75) Forma only for the research track.

 

Well it's granted that dojo should have been a slow process. But neglecting from the start the clan sizes because they wanted to be quicker as possible just wretched the gameplay for a lot of players.

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If they lower it to 1/5 for small clans, I wouldnt mind.

 

I do agree hallways and stuff shouldnt take Forma, but 15 isnt a big of a deal for a 3-4 man clan, even with the farming for farming.

 

Its supposed to take time, me and my clan gathered around 30-40 Forma, and 2 of my clan mates arent even passed rank 2 yet.

 

So to me, if they lower it down to 1/5, id be pleased and looking forward to farm and take my time building a dojo, free.

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I also respectfully agree. The Forma cost is disheartening and discouraging to groups of small clans. It is entirely unfair in my eyes.

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Yup, im from a small clan and its annoying cause we need that forma so we would have to either buy it or get very lucky and get a void key then get even more lucky and get a forma :(   which just means that no small clans can make a dojo

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The dojo costs will be impossible to actually balance in this state. Large clans can easily get the materials and people can join them for the benefits with no intention of actually playing with them. For small clans to exist the dojo should be made much cheaper. And I don't just mean the forma, but all the costs are so high for groups of 2-10 people.

 

I'd suggest turning dojo progression into just time spent playing together = clan progression. A way to do this could be if you run a mission with a clanmate, based on how many you brought into the group (2-4) there could be a chance to get a dojo construction material or a BP for one that costs about what a forma BP costs to make now. If there were several kinds it would encourage the group to do different factions or game modes etc.. It would also encourage clans to actually do stuff together, more than farming a bunch of trash t2 void keys for a chance to spawn multiple forma BPs for the clan does.

 

The devs shouldn't worry too much about the speed clans build their dojo. The content shouldn't be farming for something, but playing together to overcome good content. Basically, forget about dojo as some kind of endgame thing and give us content only a clan or really good pug group can take down, that give us stuff we can't buy from the cash shop. Give us a giant $&*^ to strive for so we can wave it at everyone. The 2 prime weapons and Frost Prime are a great start but there are only 3 things to loot and they are made up of 3-4 parts you get on an RNG you can access via an RNG (which you can pay for) and that just isn't sustainable.

 

My clan is just me and a friend, and while we don't expect to have the dojo done and dusted in a week we're already a little over the construction costs. I'd be happy with not having all the weapons if I could just keep having goes at those prime items. But getting a reasonable shot at the reciever or systems takes a t3 key and getting those means doing outer terminus or xini a LOT.

 

I know people are going to hate this comparison, but WoW did this sort of casino better. Timed lockouts on the content that give progression but they each contain multiple chances to get something, out of a pool of a lot of items. I feel the void key stuff would be better if you built them off a BP in the oracle

 

With lower construction costs any clan could reasonably get a cross connector, reactor, oracle and a lab research t1 keys, t2 keys with 2 labs, t3 keys with 3 labs. the keys build time would then be a limiter on how often a player can host a void key mission, the mats cost would lead to some farming and it might get people out of xini once in a while.

 

Alternatively the keys could be built once, but have a cooldown. This would let a squad of 4 people do a t3 once a day.

 

I've really been trying to give the dojo a go, but I'm far more inclined to grind mats for new weapons, or buy potatoes or forma for the weapons. There are so many warframes to grind up too. The current costs just add to the farming, not as any kind of parralell 'progression' system like it seems to be intended to be.

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@DracoHouston: I suggest, you watch the last Livestream. They talk about how they want to scale the Dojo costs to the clan size in the last half an hour or so. We're gonna see different clan-classes with a cap (for new clans - they're still trying to figure out what to do with the old, gigantic clans) at 2000 members. And each size will have different building-cost. When your clan grows and you need to move on to the next class, it'll cost credits and ressources to upgrade your Dojo.

If they find a good way how to deal with the Forma-issue, that's gonna be great.

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locaso  el personakje  ps  para  ke se  lokene

Sorry? Google Translate thinks, that's spanish - but isn't able to translate it.

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I Agree Entirely. The Forma (As I assume the plural to be) are very expensive and it is incredibly rare to come across a blueprint. The Forma are better spent elsewhere. I'll be honest with you, 5 Forma to build ONE connector piece? Overprice? Entirely! Five Forma to build just One Connector! If that isn't Overpricing, I can't even begin to think what is.  The Requirement of Forma in Dojo Construction is to be removed. For everyone's sake.

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the Forma Is like the potato its a end product and shouldn't be used to make anything. they should be purchasable for platinum and should still be used to polarize weapons. should be craftable but should not be used to craft anything including but not limited to: Dojo Rooms, Weapons, Warframes, Ect.

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Is it bad that I have four or five built formas and about nine forma blueprints + a max forma'd Rhino, and haven't bought any formas? DE making a use for them other than changing weapons is fine by me.

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Another good idea to remove forma. this happened to me and several others. 


Until this is addressed I will not contribute to a clan nor will I join one


   Clan leader power on Kicking. I was a victim of a Clan Leader gone rouge and has kicked everyone from Clan, other then himself and one other, and now the resources that were used in the clan are gone. I paid for over 5 forma 100 platinum for this clan and the leader kicked everyone. and was able to retain clan. Now I suggest that there should be a penalty to kicking people from clan and that penalty should be that they get the resources back and rooms that were created using those resources should be removed until resources are replaced. this will prevent abuse of power. likewise if someone wants to clan jump they lose any resources they put into the clan, this will prevent people from leaving if they are heavily invested. 

 I am sure most people are in decent Clans with Sane people leading them, but honestly one power tripping clan leader can destroy the experience of an otherwise decent group of individuals. I didn't have a fall out with leader - apparently someone did, and it trickled down to the leader having the power to remove all but himself and his friend from the clan. like 6 or 9 people were kicked from clan. I have spoken to 3 of the people that were kicked, one of the peoples account was apparently hacked as well from all of this. 

 Several support tickets were filed from other members in the clan with no positive resolution to this issue. Please Warframe if you read this implement this solution above to prevent abuse of power. thank you.

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Is it bad that I have four or five built formas and about nine forma blueprints + a max forma'd Rhino, and haven't bought any formas? DE making a use for them other than changing weapons is fine by me.

As said before: luck is subjective. In almost two months I have farmed and exped four frames and ten weapons with their relatives mats. By playing voids and doing alerts I now have 5 Forma (unused). How do you explain that? I have plenty of key and play 7 hours during the week and almost 12 hours in the weekend if I don't have anything to do.

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I don't believe Forma should be removed, but I do think the requirement for it should vary from room to room, and either make the hallways only need 1 Forma or take that requirement out and make some sorta new crafting items(crafting items means like curcuits and stuff like that.

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As said before: luck is subjective. In almost two months I have farmed and exped four frames and ten weapons with their relatives mats. By playing voids and doing alerts I now have 5 Forma (unused). How do you explain that? I have plenty of key and play 7 hours during the week and almost 12 hours in the weekend if I don't have anything to do.

The Dojo is supposed to be part of the endgame, that's why it has such a high cost.

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The Dojo is supposed to be part of the endgame, that's why it has such a high cost.

So how can you explain that there are ckan who have completed the whole dojo?

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