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Forma Needs To Be Removed As A Construction Material

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The description for the Forma in-game says that it's for polarizing weapons and warframes; it says nothing about dojo construction.

 

That said, I will never waste the little bit of Forma I manage to get on a hallway just so I can go into another room that needs more hallways built off of it.

 

The Forma is a an interesting concept, but it has no place in construction.

 

If it's deemed ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY that Forma be used to construct dojos, then the number of new doors added to build off of should determine the Forma cost. If I'm building a cross hallway into the void, then the Forma cost is 3, If I build an elbow hallway then it's 1, building a reactor or oracle would cost 0 Forma, ect. And if I build a cross hallway that happens to connect to 4 rooms/halls already, then it too would cost 0 Forma.

 

That's a nice solution imo. Even though the problem is found at its roots: a construction material (building material if you prefer) should be free. Because in a clan if you want your room now you pay plat, or else you farm, likewise it was for the weapons.

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I Agree,

I for myself try to built the dojo mostly by myself, because most of my clan (I'm used to play other games with, too) are inactive atm.

 

The farming for itself is really time intense and then theres former on top...

Atm. I only farm the materials for the rooms and wait to see if they change this, but I'm not willing to pay for Forma used up in the Building Process...

 

But lets do a little Math on the Costs (just the Forma) if you just want the Weapon Research up and running:

 

You need at least:

2 Cross Connectors (a 5 Forma) = 10 Forma

1 Reactor = 5 Forma

1 Oracle = 15 Forma

3 Labs (a 15 Forma) = 45 Forma

 

so we end up in using 75 Forma just for developing the new Weapons

If you would pay the Plat for it at a rate of 20 Plat per Forma it would be 75*20=1500 Plat...

At the current normal selling this would be the 1k pack and the 570 pack to get enough plat

and in my country this would be 49.99€ + 26.99€ = 76.98€ just for the ability to research the new weapons...

 

With the current Droprate of Forma it will be impossible for me to constuct a single room...

I'm ok for the material costs, this system is meant to be worked on with a whole clan.

It would take me about a month intense farming per room for the material needs, but it would be possible...

Using a Material for building, which also has other purposes (in this case adding new Polarities on weapons) and every single member needs for his own progression, is definately a scam in my eyes...

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is definately a scam in my eyes...

 

I can't focus myself to think that most of the community is defending this move by saying stuff like "De's got to eat" and "How's going to evolve a game without money". There are a lot of other ways. This is a killing blow for the f2p gameplay. I bought the Hunter pack because I wanted an exclusive frame and needed the plat for slots and potatoes (seeing how their drop rates are really low). But this is offensive for the consumers imo.

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or reduced to one or two...

 

in all honesty if I get a forma, it's going to be for personal use

 

unemployed guy like myself cant afford the plat

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or reduced to one or two...

 

in all honesty if I get a forma, it's going to be for personal use

 

unemployed guy like myself cant afford the plat

 

I study at local University, got a job wich provides me 200 € at month. I buyed the Hunter pack, that 1/4 of my budget. Just to get in touch.

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I study at local University, got a job wich provides me 200 € at month. I buyed the Hunter pack, that 1/4 of my budget. Just to get in touch.

 

and are you willing to pay the Plat you get in the Hunter Pack on stuff for the dojo?

 

(I for myself not...)

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and are you willing to pay the Plat you get in the Hunter Pack on stuff for the dojo?

 

(I for myself not...)

 

I didn't need any plats. I could have just farmed. Back before U8 I was trying to help DE by buying because this game deserved its fine share of reward. I'm currently using the plat for slots and potatoes. I haven't yet buought any forma and I will not until this madness come to an end.

Needless to say how much I regret the decision of giving them 1/4 of my paycheck instead of buying me books or paying for actual FUN

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I'm just going to consider this a simple petition, and you can simply consider my reply my signature.
Fix Formas, or better yet, remove them.

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I'm just going to consider this a simple petition, and you can simply consider my reply my signature.

Fix Formas, or better yet, remove them.

 

Thank for the support :)

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I didn't need any plats. I could have just farmed. Back before U8 I was trying to help DE by buying because this game deserved its fine share of reward. I'm currently using the plat for slots and potatoes. I haven't yet buought any forma and I will not until this madness come to an end.

Needless to say how much I regret the decision of giving them 1/4 of my paycheck instead of buying me books or paying for actual FUN

 

That's what I meant,

 

I for myself bought the Master pack back in U6 in this Update it was a really fair and clean pricing...

That was the reason for my decision of buying a founder-Pack because I have had bad experiance with F2P games and pricings...

 

since U7 they constantly increased the paywall by just denying players to farm the good stuff.

e.G. the Glaive, noone can tell me it's a sidegrade, throwing that in the Alert System was a punch to my face (even if it showed up early)

e.G. the Vauban (same thing as with the Glaive)

 

And in U8 we have nice changes, but most of them rely on people actually paying (Keys and Forma)...

Anything that F2P games have taught me is, get out when pricing gets insane, and this game is on the best way to achieve this...

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That's what I meant,

 

I for myself bought the Master pack back in U6 in this Update it was a really fair and clean pricing...

That was the reason for my decision of buying a founder-Pack because I have had bad experiance with F2P games and pricings...

 

since U7 they constantly increased the paywall by just denying players to farm the good stuff.

e.G. the Glaive, noone can tell me it's a sidegrade, throwing that in the Alert System was a punch to my face (even if it showed up early)

e.G. the Vauban (same thing as with the Glaive)

 

And in U8 we have nice changes, but most of them rely on people actually paying (Keys and Forma)...

Anything that F2P games have taught me is, get out when pricing gets insane, and this game is on the best way to achieve this...

 

Well, I'm playing until it pleases me. Indeed I will spend no more money on this. I'll keep my hour per day of Warframe, but nothing else. Me quitting (or everyone here who gives me some credit for actual trying) is an example of how real feedback goes in the toilet. People should complain first for the pricess and second of everything that relates to the gameplay. The reason is as it follows: in a year everyone will complain about something gameplay related without thinking that paying money for actual playing is done by those title like Skyrim, Mass Effect (before the downfall) and those wich you pay a fair share and then you haven't to pay anything more. NOT PAYING ENDLESSLY. I agreed to spend money and before I asked people to do the same to expand our experience. I feel now a fool for even helping DE.

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That's what I meant,

 

I for myself bought the Master pack back in U6 in this Update it was a really fair and clean pricing...

That was the reason for my decision of buying a founder-Pack because I have had bad experiance with F2P games and pricings...

 

since U7 they constantly increased the paywall by just denying players to farm the good stuff.

e.G. the Glaive, noone can tell me it's a sidegrade, throwing that in the Alert System was a punch to my face (even if it showed up early)

e.G. the Vauban (same thing as with the Glaive)

 

And in U8 we have nice changes, but most of them rely on people actually paying (Keys and Forma)...

Anything that F2P games have taught me is, get out when pricing gets insane, and this game is on the best way to achieve this...

It isn't even just the paywall anymore.  Now with the void missions you can essentially pay for a CHANCE to get loot, the same RNG chance that has made this game miserable to date so far. the ENTIRE rng system in warframe needs to be looked at and probably overhauled.  I'm actually starting to miss pre-U6 now, even considering all the content I absolutely LOVE. (My Banshee and Vauban <3 )

The concept that any mod can drop anywhere in the game at any time is ridiculous.  On top of that people have been running one hundred void runs and still not being able to craft any of the primes via one material drop nerfed here or there (Latron prime reciever and Reaper blade specifically) This isn't pay to win, its pay to spin so to speak. Its a casino system.

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It isn't even just the paywall anymore.  Now with the void missions you can essentially pay for a CHANCE to get loot, the same RNG chance that has made this game miserable to date so far. the ENTIRE rng system in warframe needs to be looked at and probably overhauled.  I'm actually starting to miss pre-U6 now, even considering all the content I absolutely LOVE. (My Banshee and Vauban <3 )

The concept that any mod can drop anywhere in the game at any time is ridiculous.  On top of that people have been running one hundred void runs and still not being able to craft any of the primes via one material drop nerfed here or there (Latron prime reciever and Reaper blade specifically) This isn't pay to win, its pay to spin so to speak. Its a casino system.

Regard this matter, wich isn't the prime issue imo, one "costumer" here on the forum defined this system a RNG in a RNG. So half the chances.

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I feel sorry for starting this ^^

 

we should get back to the topic, and thats why Forma is so bad for constructing...

 

- It will kill all small Clans (< 50 ppl) which want to participate in the new research system/dojo build

- you have to decide spending Forma for yourself (upgrading weapons) or help your Clan with the dojo

 

pls add anything I am missing.

 

In my Opinion, having a Resource that only drops in the void is not a bad thing, but pls make it a real drop (and no rng sh...) leaving Forma as what it is good for, increasing weapon/frame efficiency...

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I feel sorry for starting this ^^

 

we should get back to the topic, and thats why Forma is so bad for constructing...

 

- It will kill all small Clans (< 50 ppl) which want to participate in the new research system/dojo build

- you have to decide spending Forma for yourself (upgrading weapons) or help your Clan with the dojo

 

pls add anything I am missing.

 

In my Opinion, having a Resource that only drops in the void is not a bad thing, but pls make it a real drop (and no rng sh...) leaving Forma as what it is good for, increasing weapon/frame efficiency...

This is it! Forma should be removed from Dojo's requirements. Period!

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Well, i don't know if u guys tried but yesterday me and my team got a forma bp from a void raid II as a reward. Its a bit hard to farm this as a small team but cash is not "necessary" to build a clan dojo.

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Well, i don't know if u guys tried but yesterday me and my team got a forma bp from a void raid II as a reward. Its a bit hard to farm this as a small team but cash is not "necessary" to build a clan dojo.

It's not about paing for the dojo. It's about a resource that you charge for! I would farm Forma for weapon. But already there is rushing construction and bps. AGAIN: would ou buy 1 control module for 20 platinums?

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I'm pretty certain that forma should be removed, at least as a construction requirement. The insane amounts of materials (sometimes 20k+) just to create a single room is enough - not everyone has huge 100 member or more clans. Some of us, like myself, have clans of under ten people; the resource requirement is all that's needed to keep people farming and contributing towards their clan. The inclusion of forma makes it almost impossible to construct anything unless you pay, and at that point you're just paying for a rare chance to get it. It's completely ridiculous.

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Well, i don't know if u guys tried but yesterday me and my team got a forma bp from a void raid II as a reward. Its a bit hard to farm this as a small team but cash is not "necessary" to build a clan dojo.


The Point is, that Forma, the way it's implemented now has 2 purposes
1. Building your dojo as a Clan
2. Improving your frame/weapons

these is somewhat counteractive as you have to decide not just to support your clan, you have to slow down your own progression by contributing Forma to it...

So there's not much you can make progression with once you have all weapons accessible to you and have all frames, except... Forma...



I'm pretty certain that forma should be removed, at least as a construction requirement. The insane amounts of materials (sometimes 20k+) just to create a single room is enough - not everyone has huge 100 member or more clans. Some of us, like myself, have clans of under ten people; the resource requirement is all that's needed to keep people farming and contributing towards their clan. The inclusion of forma makes it almost impossible to construct anything unless you pay, and at that point you're just paying for a rare chance to get it. It's completely ridiculous.


As how it's implemented now, I would not buy any keys to get the Forma, instead you can buy the Forma directly. So to be fair, thats not a rare chance, you can do the math (did it a few posts above, page 2 I think) but that doesn't make it any better...


Edit:

here's the Math again:

 

I Agree,

I for myself try to built the dojo mostly by myself, because most of my clan (I'm used to play other games with, too) are inactive atm.

 

The farming for itself is really time intense and then theres former on top...

Atm. I only farm the materials for the rooms and wait to see if they change this, but I'm not willing to pay for Forma used up in the Building Process...

 

But lets do a little Math on the Costs (just the Forma) if you just want the Weapon Research up and running:

 

You need at least:

2 Cross Connectors (a 5 Forma) = 10 Forma

1 Reactor = 5 Forma

1 Oracle = 15 Forma

3 Labs (a 15 Forma) = 45 Forma

 

so we end up in using 75 Forma just for developing the new Weapons

If you would pay the Plat for it at a rate of 20 Plat per Forma it would be 75*20=1500 Plat...

At the current normal selling this would be the 1k pack and the 570 pack to get enough plat

and in my country this would be 49.99€ + 26.99€ = 76.98€ just for the ability to research the new weapons...

 

With the current Droprate of Forma it will be impossible for me to constuct a single room...

I'm ok for the material costs, this system is meant to be worked on with a whole clan.

It would take me about a month intense farming per room for the material needs, but it would be possible...

Using a Material for building, which also has other purposes (in this case adding new Polarities on weapons) and every single member needs for his own progression, is definately a scam in my eyes...

 

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The Point is, that Forma, the way it's implemented now has 2 purposes

1. Building your dojo as a Clan

2. Improving your frame/weapons

 

these is somewhat countersctive as you have to decide not just to support your clan, you have to slow down your own progression by contributing Forma to it...

 

So there's not much you can make progression with once you have all weapons accessible to you and have all frames, except... Forma...

 

 

 

As how it's implemented now, I would not buy any keys to get the Forma, instead you can buy the Forma directly. So to be fair, thats not a rare chance, you can do the math (did it a few posts above, page 2 I think) but that doesn't make it any better...

Edit 5 should clear this point

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Now why aren't this issues brought out the by majority of the community? Because most of them surrendered and either are playing hoping to farm or they already left the game. People lost faith in the cause because this isn't the first delusion they get on Warframe. Hope this one will get the players to understand they need to hold on the important things.

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Now why aren't this issues brought out the by majority of the community? Because most of them surrendered and either are playing hoping to farm or they already left the game. People lost faith in the cause because this isn't the first delusion they get on Warframe. Hope this one will get the players to understand they need to hold on the important things.

 

That's the reason why we are complaining in the Forum...

 

It's not too late for a change.

Not all of us have lost faith completely in DE.

I hope that this is just a test on how far they can go and if Forma is not solt in decent amounts for building, maybe they reconsider the system.

 

The only Option we have as customers is not to buy anything related to this topic (even if it hurts).

But we as a small clan anyway have to farm the needed materials first...

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I actually have reduced the ammount of playing. Right now I'm home sick, but I do not play at the moment. I do occasional raids with my brother. Just that. I want this feedback to fed their minds until I don't get at least a statement where DE admits that their goal was to increase their income by frauding everyone of the only thing that was free: crafting. Since almost aside from some guns is platinum or bp the least they can do is not rob everyone of free resources. In this matter Forma is not a free resources. If they made some rare drop like control module I wouldn't even be mad.

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100% agree, forma should not be required for building any rooms in the dojos. Thats a train wreck waiting to... nevermind it's already happened.

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