SignOfTheTaurus Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) What do you guys think about Mesa changes? In my opinion it was good way to make this ability like this, because we were just standing in one place and holding fire button which maked it really boring and too easy to use. But bad think is the weak damage makes this ability little useless, on higher level missions even before patch/nerf I wasnt using peacemaker because I could not stand in one position for longer than several seconds and my shotgin weapons do a lot more damage that peacemaker even if it was Aimboted Edited October 2, 2015 by SignOfTheTaurus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zacaa09 Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) Wait, I can't see that ring when I'm playing at low graphics :( PD: About topic, I don't dislike this "nerf". This will make Mesa players work more and not just leave the click pressed and drink a coffee. About damage, I think now will be a must use a buffer (Mirage-Rhino) if people want to use Mesa at "endgame", I just tried a build at Solo on ODD and work just great in 20 waves. Edited October 2, 2015 by Zacaa09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper1991 Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Just make the ring more visible please I cant get a good handle on it when i shrinks down and I already have the accuracy of a blind duck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeenageGirlVodkaPuke Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 I cant' see the ring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazekan5 Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 OR, use 3 and 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gr3vi3R Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 OR, use 3 and 2 Or change Warframe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellojoe Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 I can't see the ring, either. Is it a graphical setting somewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverlordKyron Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 I honestly am okay with the changes. I never got the chance to sink a lot of forma into Mesa to begin with, but when mesa originally came out I was more disappointed with the fact that 4 didn't just equip the Regulators as weapons, and this is much closer to that at least in my mind. I always ran mesa with natural talent so I could quickly pop in and out and the rework seems to reinforce that. Now I'm just waiting on an augment mod that lets you slowly walk. How badass would that be? I'm really trying to pick up steam for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayPerth Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) I hope the ring can be a little bit bigger, it's really tired to aim like this, it's like using a continuous weapon, holding left key while moving the mouse constantly really hurt my hand. although I don't use mesa much. Edited October 2, 2015 by lazy529 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepingSentry Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) I hope the ring can be a little bit bigger, it's really tired to aim like this, it's like using a continuous weapon, holding left key while moving the mouse constantly really hurt my hand. although I don't use mesa much. Increase sensitivity / aiming speed? I play games often 12+ hours a day and have never had this problem - except in games with horribly slow mouse sensitivity that can't be adjusted. Occasionally my left hand or elbow gives out from too many key presses, especially shift / control with pinky...but not mouse hand / arm. Edited October 2, 2015 by SleepingSentry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweetSlaanesh Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) What bothers me about this is they didn't change the animations. So she's shooting at a 90 degree angle from the target for no reason? Did they realize that the entire ability was built around the original mechanics and now if they change the animations to make it make any sense at all? They'd basically just have her standing there shooting forward without any flair. In that way, they ruined her ultimate. Give her animations that make sense. Either way, it's not gunkata anymore. It's just lame. Edited October 2, 2015 by SweetSlaanesh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abufhad Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 introducing mesa to warframe was big mistake DE ever did. F2P fps or mmo against aimboters ! DE no we have our aimbot ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketec Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 the duration based change together with these mesa changes completely #*($%%@ it up. Narrow minded... lowers energy cost but makes the already tiny ring even smaller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acidulant Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Why is your Mesa firing abysmally slow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerZeyCJ Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) Mesa needs an overhaul in general. Her 1 is useless, her 2 is a buff that just randomly applies to one of your team memebers(aka, basically useless), her 3 is just a DR skill(boring), and her 4 is just standing inplace and holding a button(except now enemies have to be inside of a shrinking ring for you to hit them. So much for Mesa being an amazing marksman) Edited October 2, 2015 by JerZeyCJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syln Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 I just tried it in a solo tactical alert run (4th round) the damage build up is a little too slow in my opinion^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedingbus Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 This literally doesn't fix anything its a band aid fix and very bad one at that. Mesa needs a brand new ultimate simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Educated_Beast Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Mesa needs an overhaul in general. Her 1 is useless, her 2 is a buff that just randomly applies to one of your team memebers(aka, basically useless), her 3 is just a DR skill(boring), and her 4 is just standing inplace and holding a button(except now enemies have to be inside of a shrinking ring for you to hit them. So much for Mesa being an amazing marksman) Agree, Mesa needs an entire rework. This frame is trash. Was only ever popular because it was extremely OP at most mob levels. Now that this skill is garbage and unfun to use, we will be seeing fewer and fewer Mesa frames. Why now have a number 1 ability that increase and decrease spread, number 2 that reduces recoil, #3 is OK as is, #4 needs mobilty. Stand in place skill is boring regardless if powerful or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syln Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Well actually her first skill was surprisingly efficient on the samurai(ish) grineer, charge it to 100 % on the trash around and then one shot him with a sybaris^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriggerHappyWhiteGuy Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 the duration based change together with these mesa changes completely #*($%%@ it up. Narrow minded... lowers energy cost but makes the already tiny ring even smaller. Smaller ring should increase damage, Do you see a damage boost using Narrow Minded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OkamiMilo Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 R.I.P Mesa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAC_Elite Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 The reason people like me and others hate this is because she is basically a sitting duck using peacemaker in general. If they made her able to be mobile while using this ability then I would say that this is a buff but they just basically made it a chore to use her now. Almost near impossible to solo with her now because of her being nerfed. Just because they made the DPS stronger doesn't make it better. We liked her because in a way she was an AOE frame but now that's been cut in half. With the fact that the the bigger the iris the more enemies you can hit. The smaller it gets the less enemies you can hit making her 4th ability useless and stating the reason on why we dislike her now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judgebanks Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Why is your mesa firing so slow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acidulant Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 The smaller it gets the less enemies you can hit making her 4th ability useless and stating the reason on why we I dislike her now FTFY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
October0Night Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 (edited) Don't get people who call mesa trash and claim she needs a complete rework. There is nothing wrong with her first 3 ablities and her 4 simply needs a more visible ring and maybe a damage multiplier that increases damage as the ring gets smaller. The change was a good one I like mesa a lot and played her often but hated how people where missuseing her 4 ablity. This change rewards people who pay attion to what's going on and keep the circle on what needs to die while punishing those who sat there using mesa as a press 4 to win frame. Edited October 4, 2015 by October0Night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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