Instant Level 30 On Warframes And Weapons

[Lenige]

Throw two new people into the game at the same time (first guy buys level 30, new guns, new frame, mods etc). Put them both into separate but equal missions. First one to complete it wins. Who is going to win? Now do the same with PVP between the two. Who is going to win? Put both players in the same mission, whoever gets the highest scores wins. Who is going to win?

Technically, any way you look at it. Being able to buy anything that isn't just for aesthetics, is pay to win in some way. It is giving you an advantage over others who do not pay in some form.

I'd bet my money on the other guy who didn't pay. Cause he has a big diligent heart and being a hard worker and having a heart is all that matters :)

Edited May 30, 2013 by Lenige

[MaraudingZebra]

For me, P2W is getting something without having to work for it. Like BF3, you can work your way up for rewards, or you can pay for better weapons. Same goes for this game.

See for me, there's a huge difference between a game like Battlefield and a game like Warframe. Warframe is a PvE game first and foremost. Battlefield 3 however is popular because of its' PvP.

 

Let's say you want to play a game of Battlefield 3. You're going to have to get into a game with other people and play against/with them. If there's a player with some overpowered gun that he bought, that directly affects you. You're going to either lose, or have a hard time winning because he paid for that. That is very clearly pay to win.

 

For Warframe however, let's say this guy buys level 30. A lot of people either play Warframe by themselves, or with a group of friends. If this is the case, the guy goes into the game and he's killing the enemies really easily. Okay, does that affect anyone besides him? Not at all, really. If it does at all, it's nothing like how it would be in a game like Battlefield. The only way this could be a problem would be matchmaking. If you got matched with someone who bought a level 30, they'd have an advantage, I realize that. But really, how big would it be? They'd still have to get mods, level those mods up, etc. Even then, all it means is that the guy might get a few more kills than you depending on how well he plays.

 

You're not wrong with what you're saying. The only thing I'm trying to say is that Warframe is a different case. Would I like something like this in the game? No, not really. But it doesn't affect me and it gives money to DE. Either way, it's not really worth arguing about. There's no right or wrong answer. :)

[MaraudingZebra]

Throw two new people into the game at the same time (first guy buys level 30, new guns, new frame, mods etc). Put them both into separate but equal missions. First one to complete it wins. Who is going to win? Now do the same with PVP between the two. Who is going to win? Put both players in the same mission, whoever gets the highest scores wins. Who is going to win?

Technically, any way you look at it. Being able to buy anything that isn't just for aesthetics, is pay to win in some way. It is giving you an advantage over others who do not pay in some form.

I get what you're saying. Trust me, I do. Even so, you PvP example, while correct if looking at it from a purely statistical standpoint, doesn't really matter. This is not a PvP game. There's PvP in it, yeah, but that's not the point of the game. This is a PvE game.

 

Even in the case of PvP, you'd have to be in a clan with someone and join their Dojo to duel them, so chances are you're going to know that the person paid for their levels and that'll be taken into account during the duel anyway. It's not like you're playing team deathmatch and there's some overpowered guy running around. But still, I don't like it either. I just don't really care haha.

 

But back to the PvE example, even if the one guy completes the mission first, who cares? Is the other guy affected at all? No, he's not. The guy who paid for his levels is just going to have an easier time, and honestly, sort of ruin the game for himself. Chances are that people who just buy their levels are people who aren't very dedicated to the game anyway, so they won't stick around long. That or it's someone who has other Warframes and just wants to quickly get his new one up.

 

It's a complicated topic, and there's really no answer as of yet. But I get what you're saying man. I don't want no pay-to-win in Warframe either, but some random guy that I'll never play with buying his levels isn't going to affect my experience with the game in the slightest. All he's doing is ruining the game for himself, and giving more money to DE.

[Cinderain]

The design council ladies and gentlemen

 

The entire Design Council?

 

You disappoint me.

Edited May 30, 2013 by FatalX7

[Lenige]

See for me, there's a huge difference between a game like Battlefield and a game like Warframe. Warframe is a PvE game first and foremost. Battlefield 3 however is popular because of its' PvP.

 

Let's say you want to play a game of Battlefield 3. You're going to have to get into a game with other people and play against/with them. If there's a player with some overpowered gun that he bought, that directly affects you. You're going to either lose, or have a hard time winning because he paid for that. That is very clearly pay to win.

 

For Warframe however, let's say this guy buys level 30. A lot of people either play Warframe by themselves, or with a group of friends. If this is the case, the guy goes into the game and he's killing the enemies really easily. Okay, does that affect anyone besides him? Not at all, really. If it does at all, it's nothing like how it would be in a game like Battlefield. The only way this could be a problem would be matchmaking. If you got matched with someone who bought a level 30, they'd have an advantage, I realize that. But really, how big would it be? They'd still have to get mods, level those mods up, etc. Even then, all it means is that the guy might get a few more kills than you depending on how well he plays.

 

You're not wrong with what you're saying. The only thing I'm trying to say is that Warframe is a different case. Would I like something like this in the game? No, not really. But it doesn't affect me and it gives money to DE. Either way, it's not really worth arguing about. There's no right or wrong answer. :)

Wasnt gonna read it cause it's long but i read it and idk why but I suppose he has a point. However, it does affect people in a way just like he stated: The paid player will kill enemies easily. That being said, other players who doesn't have good weapon, mods, etc. will have difficulty killing enemies and takes the fun out of them if the paid player decides to "rush" the mission or goes at a fast pace - killing everything. In other words, other players might have less the fun as oppose to the paid player (having more power in the game). Whether this could be true or not would only only remain unknown because everything that's being discussed in this topic forum is only a mere speculation (or perspective) and point being made (theory basically)

[-Scissor-]

No, It wouldn't be cool. Sorry OP, but leveling weapons Is already way too easy.

Just farm Kappa, Sedna and kill everything in sight, you get 20k+ exp per run on every weapon.

Even for low levels, an even better spot is Io on jupiter, just run to round 20 every time and you get so much exp.

Edited May 30, 2013 by -Scissor-

[CanIbiteU]

obvious trolling..is obvious?

[Waagabondh]

Can you start selling that for Platinum? It would be really cool! 

 

They will not do this, definately should not.

It defeats so many purposes.

 

By purchasing an affinity booster you can level up your weapon in no time anyway.

 

Just go to a lower level zone, the captain is a great farm zone as enemies with lower level give marginally lower experience then higher enemies, but are killed, instantly.

And on this planet they keep coming back in masses at you.

 

Do 2, 3 runs on this planet and your weapon might well be in the 20s already.

 

Another thing, instantly level a weapon to 30 for platinum while they just introduced the forma polarity system where you can reset a weapon to add a polarity slot.

 

Anyway, no offence but I find the suggestion quite lacking with innovation and motivation.

Edited May 30, 2013 by Waagabondh

[Waagabondh]

See for me, there's a huge difference between a game like Battlefield and a game like Warframe. Warframe is a PvE game first and foremost. Battlefield 3 however is popular because of its' PvP.

 

Let's say you want to play a game of Battlefield 3. You're going to have to get into a game with other people and play against/with them. If there's a player with some overpowered gun that he bought, that directly affects you. You're going to either lose, or have a hard time winning because he paid for that. That is very clearly pay to win.

 

For Warframe however, let's say this guy buys level 30. A lot of people either play Warframe by themselves, or with a group of friends. If this is the case, the guy goes into the game and he's killing the enemies really easily. Okay, does that affect anyone besides him? Not at all, really. If it does at all, it's nothing like how it would be in a game like Battlefield. The only way this could be a problem would be matchmaking. If you got matched with someone who bought a level 30, they'd have an advantage, I realize that. But really, how big would it be? They'd still have to get mods, level those mods up, etc. Even then, all it means is that the guy might get a few more kills than you depending on how well he plays.

 

You're not wrong with what you're saying. The only thing I'm trying to say is that Warframe is a different case. Would I like something like this in the game? No, not really. But it doesn't affect me and it gives money to DE. Either way, it's not really worth arguing about. There's no right or wrong answer. :)

 

 

The thing with battlefield 3 is: The best weapons are among the first you unlock.

There are some great weapons later on.

 

But above all, an unlocked weapon means very little...now welcome to the grind to level up the individual weapon.

Now we could take mods here as maybe the example.

Why would you want a level 30 weapon without Mods?

 

Above all, I think there should be some play for fun.

 

I can agree that it might not be what you want, having to go back to low level areas to level your weapon.

But in my experience, all you need is one run, to get one mod in, and then go back to the medium level missions.

 

Take easy to get weapons as an example: Braton performs excellent at mid level, 15-20 with just 1 or 2 mods.

You will get out of ammo, but you can use it with success then switch to your side arm until you picked up more ammo.

 

Heck I was doing lvl 40 infested missions with a lvl 5 braton earlier, no problems what so ever.

Then again, infested missions with a lvl 30 heavily modded Ember is no problem.

 

Right now Im just anyway waiting for an account reset and wont play the game until I can do this.

 

Why do I want to account reset?

 

I wasted so many Platinum on weapons and frames that I know now I really dont want.

I found my play style and the frames I enjoy, and the weapons I do.

 

My only gripe about the account reset will be that I will loose my Snipetron. Which was a rather new weapon anyway.

Strun, Kraken and Braton is basically the only weapons you need in this game anyway, ohh and as melee, Cronus honestly goes a very very long way.

 

Back on topic, I would never waste Plat to get a weapon to level 30, it defeats the purpose of the game. And defeats the Forma concept.ö

If they did, it would be one greedy step to take. Only for the possible extra income. As if they didnt take a few all too greedy steps already in 8.0.

[-..-]

Instant gratification.

[VegetableBasket]

I dislike this idea just because it would screw with mastery.

If you want level 30 weapons, run Kiste for 4 hours, there, you win.

[Kyrkitao]

worthless overgeneralization

I'm not sure who's the better troll, you or the OP.

[Bennyworld]

Can you start selling that for Platinum? It would be really cool!

Wow - this REALLY would break the game, I'm afraid. The whole level-up mechanic could be COMPLETELY bypassed by rich people. People should never have as much of an advantage as you are suggesting over F2P players - even if this is a PVE game .

[Saxo]

I actually wouldn't have a problem with this but only if they have previously had the frame to 30 in the past then sold it.

 

Edit: Frame or weapon, and adding polarity then instant leveling is a nono.

Edited May 30, 2013 by Saxo

[Ketec]

simple - they want lvl 30 instant gear to use forma, then instant 30 again and forma so they would have the most op gear in a day.

 

It is P2W - style (yes no pvp and such but you win everythign game has in a very short time with 0 work - the more money you have the more you get).

 

There is pleny of the ubergeared people who take fun out of the  game - they just run ahead ether skip to boss, kil it and already to extraction before most get to the boss area - or aoe and kill everythign before others so all u  can do is just run - not fun.

[Law_Abiding_Engineer]

Can you start selling that for Platinum? It would be really cool! 

 

obvious troll is being obvious.

[bualeminkrali]

actually dont even bother to play, just pay someone to play your toons, i see no point to solve everything with platinium.

[Tallon1969]

How about being able to buy a really big button that says "I WIN",  Then you don't have to worry about playing at all.

[Airetam]

How about being able to buy a really big button that says "I WIN",  Then you don't have to worry about playing at all.

Changing "Uninstall" to "I Win" should be doable.

[machinatedelta]

I want to know the kind of individual that would pay to skip leveling their gear entirely.

 

People can already halve the time it would take via affinity boosters :|

The kind of people who want to do this should be playing BF3, where you can pay like $40 for all weapons and vehicles fully ranked.

[Maverick10069]

Tenno you have to EARN your stripes!, EARN your place!, see no point in it, would take all the fun out of getting there!!!

[BETAOPTICS]

Oh god that is a terribad idea. Who would want to skip the only thing that really makes this game fun? Who the heck would pay for killing all the fun, it is basically doing a suicide and on the top of that paying for the people who encourages individual to kill themselves.

[Kato-san]

Instant level is no different then instant warframe, or weapon is it not?  Because you either have to grind for the materials needed to get the weapon or warframe, vs grinding for experience.

So his idea is really no better then allowing some one to buy an item or warframe without having to grind for it is it not?

 

I not against or for the idea I just like to hear why people would be against it so.

Edited June 2, 2013 by MindlessWar

[belthagor]

obvious troll is being obvious.

i agree

[BETAOPTICS]

Instant level is no different then instant warframe, or weapon is it not?  Because you either have to grind for the materials needed to get the weapon or warframe, vs grinding for experience.

So his idea is really no better then allowing some one to buy an item or warframe without having to grind for it is it not?

 

I not against or for the idea I just like to hear why people would be against it so.

The idea itself wouldn't be bad but who would buy their way to 30? Less than 0,0001% players. For the gain DE would gain and the time, focus and resources they would spend would probably end up costing more to them than it would benefit them. Why should you? I mean it is not like levelling really takes a lot of time. I have played two hours per day for a month or so and I have completed well over 60% of the Frames and I have every Frame unlocked. It really does not take much time to level them up anyways so buying a shortcut like that is next to pointless.