overdosed Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 There are many changes done with every patch that never get mentioned in the patch notes and its up to the players to guess and tinker with stuff to even get a general notion of what has been changed. More comprehensive and full patch notes would be really appreciated by many more players than just me I suspect and would probably help with the backlash that follows some of the updates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgpainkiller Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milliea Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Yes please. This would be much appreciated. the whole "can now take damage while using skills" would have been nice to read about instead of spending revives to realize :D I know there´s been some other things but I just can´t remember them as much as that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D3thpool Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 One wonders why there are undocumented changes/bug fixes/nerfs in the first place. The patch notes are supposed to document ALL changes to the game in general. This needs to change ASAP!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagnome Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Well for starters alot of people think that bugs are "Changes" Like the rhino being affected by stun/knockdown while in iron skin. That was a bug not a change. I do agree some things need to be included in the patch notes and it does seem like the last few patches have been a bit sloppy on the notes end but the team has been crunching really hard lately for Update 8 so lets cut them some slack. I am sure everything will get back on track now that the big update is out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kahruvel Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 I've given up hope that any game will properly document all the changes made to a game before release. It's been this way since online patching began. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kantazo Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 It is Beta so they should realize all the documents about the changes so players can test what has been changed and can provide the proper feedback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overdosed Posted May 30, 2013 Author Share Posted May 30, 2013 Well for starters alot of people think that bugs are "Changes" Like the rhino being affected by stun/knockdown while in iron skin. That was a bug not a change. I do agree some things need to be included in the patch notes and it does seem like the last few patches have been a bit sloppy on the notes end but the team has been crunching really hard lately for Update 8 so lets cut them some slack. I am sure everything will get back on track now that the big update is out. It has been like that for as long as ive been playing the game(aprox 2 months). I think its more due to miscommunication between the ppl responsible for different aspects of the game and whoever is in charge of patch notes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D3thpool Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Well for starters alot of people think that bugs are "Changes" Like the rhino being affected by stun/knockdown while in iron skin. That was a bug not a change. I do agree some things need to be included in the patch notes and it does seem like the last few patches have been a bit sloppy on the notes end but the team has been crunching really hard lately for Update 8 so lets cut them some slack. I am sure everything will get back on track now that the big update is out. Meh. Its not like de did this the first time, Patches before u8 had a big list of undocumented changes, there was a big thread about them where the community gathered everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSmash Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 3) Update Notes - we want details! Yes, I think we should put more time into forming this list and adding important details to our players. Allow us to improve as the Updates and Hotfixes roll out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagnome Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 (edited) Meh. Its not like de did this the first time, Patches before u8 had a big list of undocumented changes, there was a big thread about them where the community gathered everything. Your referring to the Vauban patch of course. As I said it has been getting sloppy lately, and there will always be little changes that they wont put in any patch notes. I consider myself lucky that they have put in extensive patch notes as they did in the past, I mean realistically they don't need to tell us crap about what they change but the fact that they are showing us that consideration as beta testers is great. While I agree with you guys that patch notes should have everything so I ned better what to test and check into, I don't think that we should in any way "Shun" DE for not having 100% complete accurate patch notes, they aren't required to give us anything come patch day. Edited May 30, 2013 by Dagnome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overdosed Posted May 30, 2013 Author Share Posted May 30, 2013 Your referring to the Vauban patch of course. As I said it has been getting sloppy lately, and there will always be little changes that they wont put in any patch notes. I consider myself lucky that they have put in extensive patch notes as they did in the past, I mean realistically they don't need to tell us crap about what they change but the fact that they are showing us that consideration as beta testers is great. While I agree with you guys that patch notes should have everything so I ned better what to test and check into, I don't think that we should in any way "Shun" DE for not having 100% complete accurate patch notes, they aren't required to give us anything come patch day. Whaaa? DE are being special by releasing patch notes for their updates? And whos shunning anyways, its just a suggestion, nothing else. Why do you read between the lines, when theres nothing written there? xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kishward Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 I've given up hope that any game will properly document all the changes made to a game before release. It's been this way since online patching began. Haha I was going to post the exact same thing. It's always funny to me people are able to create these huge worlds with complex mechanics through an ocean of code, but creating complete patch notes seems like a white whale for developers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D3thpool Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Your referring to the Vauban patch of course. As I said it has been getting sloppy lately, and there will always be little changes that they wont put in any patch notes. I consider myself lucky that they have put in extensive patch notes as they did in the past, I mean realistically they don't need to tell us crap about what they change but the fact that they are showing us that consideration as beta testers is great. While I agree with you guys that patch notes should have everything so I ned better what to test and check into, I don't think that we should in any way "Shun" DE for not having 100% complete accurate patch notes, they aren't required to give us anything come patch day. I think ur reading to much into this. There is noone shunning DE, at all. This is just something that should be posted here before patches go live "mean realistically they don't need to tell us crap about what they change" They do. There is money involved afterall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kahruvel Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Haha I was going to post the exact same thing. It's always funny to me people are able to create these huge worlds with complex mechanics through an ocean of code, but creating complete patch notes seems like a white whale for developers. Well, that wasn't the point I was making, but I'm glad you touched upon the vastness of game design. So much is being created and tweaked that it is very easy to forget to document something. When you have so much to work on from so many different team members, especially when you're on a deadline, someone somewhere is going to forget something. I've given up hope that patch notes will ever be complete and full because it is literally impossible for modern game developers to be gods among men in memory and in action. They are as human as you or I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadly-Bagel Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 I think it's a software developer thing. I work in a small software development company, supporting software we write in-house, and the patch notes these guys generate is a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kantazo Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Here you go https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/53908-805-its-getting-hotfix-in-here/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overdosed Posted May 30, 2013 Author Share Posted May 30, 2013 (edited) Here you go https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/53908-805-its-getting-hotfix-in-here/ And the purpose of this, is? xD Edited May 30, 2013 by overdosed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kantazo Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Information about patch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagnome Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 I think ur reading to much into this. There is noone shunning DE, at all. This is just something that should be posted here before patches go live "mean realistically they don't need to tell us crap about what they change" They do. There is money involved afterall. Well OUR money is involved after all if you want to look at it that way. ;p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhanCipher Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 i'd wouldn't really be surprised if the only people that ever release full complete patch notes are Valve and Blizzard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSmash Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/54116-may-28th-community-hot-topics/ You should all check the hot topic section before making posts about problems. Perhaps it's being addressed already. In this case, check number 3. The devs aren't idiots, and they listen to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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