Weltraumfred Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Also, if proccing (high level) enemies with contagion and then cleaning room with the miasma for double damage is supposed to be a valid tactic, she needs more durability. I am talking 400-500 base armor. DERebecca almost got the crap beaten out of her Saryn by the Lev 40 Bobmard in the Devstream, which illustrates my point nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)EvilFlowerChild Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 What ? EB is a Pure Buff to the frame there nothing to complain about! Mesa and now Saryn both gutted, they WERE Dps frames and now are just another mediocre frames that you can play solo. No one wants gimped frames in a group other than a PUG. What are you talking about..? Mesa gutted? Doing 10k crit damage in peacemaker is mediocre? *sees ash prime icon* ohhhh i get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostLacuna Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Agreed and that was one single enemy. contagion in itself will ensure saryn players die more often buy the pure design on the skill. Molt need to be able to hit enemies that shoot at it or it will only ever be useful against the infested and then only if it draws aggro. DEs decision to changed a ranged caster into a melee kamikaze dot "specialist" will kill the frame. I for one has no plans to be a damn kamikaze rush in die a buch S#&$ frame. When i play saryn i want to be a ranged caster frame. contagion and the rework of molt destroy that concept completely I dont mind the rework itself what i do mind is that i am forced to become a kamikaze frame that has neither the durability nor the crowd control or the energy to pull that off. contagion has to go and be replaced by something that is actually viable and that does not break the flow of the frame completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helch0rn Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Just watched the Devstream. I am disapointed. You should know you messed up, when skana does more damage that all of yor skills combined Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)DesecratedFlame Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Agreed and that was one single enemy. contagion in itself will ensure saryn players die more often buy the pure design on the skill. Molt need to be able to hit enemies that shoot at it or it will only ever be useful against the infested and then only if it draws aggro. DEs decision to changed a ranged caster into a melee kamikaze dot "specialist" will kill the frame. I for one has no plans to be a damn kamikaze rush in die a buch S#&$ frame. When i play saryn i want to be a ranged caster frame. contagion and the rework of molt destroy that concept completely I dont mind the rework itself what i do mind is that i am forced to become a kamikaze frame that has neither the durability nor the crowd control or the energy to pull that off. contagion has to go and be replaced by something that is actually viable and that does not break the flow of the frame completely. Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoidNomade Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Also, if proccing (high level) enemies with contagion and then cleaning room with the miasma for double damage is supposed to be a valid tactic, she needs more durability. I am talking 400-500 base armor. DERebecca almost got the crap beaten out of her Saryn by the Lev 40 Bobmard in the Devstream, which illustrates my point nicely. Saryn build without molt augment just asks for this. Tankyness problem solved till the +70~. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)kira4715 Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Sad thing is DE will likely ignore the displeasure with the rework and release it but ohhh boy if we beg for a year or two maybe she'll actually get a good bloody rework Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helch0rn Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Sad thing is DE will likely ignore the displeasure with the rework and release it but ohhh boy if we beg for a year or two maybe she'll actually get a good bloody rework Because, oh boy it's fun to facetank everything without any CC just to waste all of your energy for a single group of enemys. /sarcasm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)kira4715 Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Because, oh boy it's fun to facetank everything without any CC just to waste all of your energy for a single group of enemys. /sarcasm Yeah ikr just love eating rapid fire bombard rockets in T4 while trying to pop venom spores /s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wotca Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Their body language said it all on the devstream. It was almost like it was painful for them to watch Saryn in action. On the plus side maybe this will spur some drastic tweaking before release. Synergy is pointless if you have to spend all of your energy to do it every time. Contagion has to go instead of trying to turn it into nothing more than a synergy trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DraccoDoom Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 This rework feel lazy tbh, if you want to rework a frame fine but do it like you did with Excal. A ground up rework where every ability get touched up looked on. This band aid "lets nerf it but hide it behind a rework" will not do anything else but kill this frame the same if did with Mesa "oh I always wanted to play a stationary turret in Warfame!" (thanks but my gun is better) You want to remake something then REMADE IT FORM GROUND UP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)urkonse Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Ember will be the next FotM. why to nerf ember? she is not too op as her damage sucks vs high lvl armor enemies (lvl40+ etc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wotca Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 why to nerf ember? she is not too op as her damage sucks vs high lvl armor enemies (lvl40+ etc) All about farming potential so you don't need to do high level enemies. A few Embers can mass murder Grineer on Draco for example, and easily sustain energy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BattledOne Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Their body language said it all on the devstream. It was almost like it was painful for them to watch Saryn in action. On the plus side maybe this will spur some drastic tweaking before release. Synergy is pointless if you have to spend all of your energy to do it every time. Contagion has to go instead of trying to turn it into nothing more than a synergy trigger. Well it was a low duration build. I'm pretty sure watching a Loki with 12% duration would be even more painful :'D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)kira4715 Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Well it was a low duration build. I'm pretty sure watching a Loki with 12% duration would be even more painful :'D They also used a higher duration build and it still failed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanHydroho Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Well what do you expect, most of the players can only reach 4. The 1,2 and 3 buttons plus the directional and jumping commands, sometimes even the slideing command are way too complicated for them 8D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoidNomade Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 That was the damage with a low duration build as she figured out how to do it btw: Already higher burst than the max possible dmg now for saryn (13,228.4 at max strength and min duration) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BattledOne Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 That was the damage with a low duration build as she figured out how to do it btw: Already higher burst than the max possible dmg now for saryn (13,228.4 at max strength and min duration) That was actually Nikana's finisher attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wotca Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 (edited) That was the damage with a low duration build as she figured out how to do it btw: Already higher burst than the max possible dmg now for saryn (13,228.4 at max strength and min duration) Higher damage, but not higher burst when you factor the time to complete the combo. There is also the issue of much reduced energy efficiency to pull this damage off. Don't get me wrong, we'll see how it plays out on live, but people pretending it is a buff need to look again. [edit] and if, as above, if it was a finisher..., well then gg. Edited October 31, 2015 by Wotca Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoidNomade Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 (edited) That was actually Nikana's finisher attack. I looked at the video three times and i don´t think it was a finisher animation. I don´t even think that a finisher would be mechanical possible in this situation. I´m not sure though^^ Edited October 31, 2015 by VoidNomade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Institute-Marksman Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 I like you, OP. Change is not bad. After all, change is what made us human in the first place.Change is eternal. Eventually, everything changes. You, your body, the world around you. Everything will die and turn to dust. But from those ashes, the new will rise, better and stronger then ever. But you, you are still used to what has passed. Do you adapt, or do you wither and die?The choice is yourse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaverickZero Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 I looked at the video three times and i don´t think it was a finisher animation. I don´t even think that a finisher would be mechanical possible in this situation. I´m not sure though^^ That's from the Nikana: https://youtu.be/qFFlgOSnvt0?t=47m7s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helch0rn Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 (edited) That was the damage with a low duration build as she figured out how to do it btw: Already higher burst than the max possible dmg now for saryn (13,228.4 at max strength and min duration) right now: press 4, do a ton of damage, move on. Time spent under enemy fire: 3-4 seconds maximum after rework: press 1, press 3, Melee, [optional for more damage: cast 2 and cast 1 on the Molt (takes time too), Cast 4 (castanimation has you unable to move or defend yourself), wait for the enemys to die, gather energy to repeat. Time spent under enemy fire:10-15 seconds what will happen in endgame: cast 1, cast 2, try to melee, die in a storm of lead and rockets unleashed at you by the enemys Edited October 31, 2015 by Helch0rn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Xewkeryx Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 God I wish my quote function worked Whatever, whoever said Saryn was a little too squishy for Contagion to be safe in most situations: I say Contagion oughta have some sort of poison armor applied. Extra armor and enemies that melee strike you are poisoned and staggered, opening them up to finishers. It needs some defensive upsides if it's asking you to run into enemies' faces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)OMGITSNUKERXD Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Im pretty excited for the rework. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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