_malaya_ Posted January 7, 2016 Author Share Posted January 7, 2016 (edited) Sorry, got into a bit of a slump during the holidays(had a really bad case of the lazy and paneling really fries my brain), but I just started sculpting again and I'm getting my momentum back: My detail references are the Marelok and Nukor. Still have to do the engines and the tubes, but after that it's all ready to be retopologised. So, this part might look better if it were sharper, like the blades of the Red Veil's sigils. Oh, and metal, of course. Might get in the way of it fitting with Ash's arms, I'll test it out after I've finished texturing the Steel Meridian one and have handed it over to blazingcobalt for final tinting. Edited January 8, 2016 by MaaYuu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_malaya_ Posted January 12, 2016 Author Share Posted January 12, 2016 (edited) Finished the sculpting, on to the tubes, then retopology. Not overly pleased with the silhouette. I rushed the blockout a bit too fast and went right to the tiny details. Will try to make some little adjustments as I merge these into the parts that the low poly will consist of. Pretty chuffed about the little details like the little bag at the side of the engines and the fuel tanks at the bottom though! I feel like I'm getting crazier and crazier with the little things and haven't been giving enough attention to the bigger picture. Edited January 12, 2016 by MaaYuu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syncrasis Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 (edited) I LOVE this sculpt. Excellent details. superb separation of forms and materials. Looking forward to upvoting this and purchasing it. You're right about the silhouette... it feels like it doesn't quite have a purpose to its pose. Seems like it will only take some tweaks to get it working just right though. Imo there is a lot of untapped potential in the square rocket nozzles, like they could be skewed or stretched or made larger or something. You might do well to have something dangling off the back end just to lengthen the silhouette a little, like a stray tube or something, something not symmetrical. Doesn't have to hang down very far tho. Edited January 12, 2016 by Syncrasis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_malaya_ Posted January 13, 2016 Author Share Posted January 13, 2016 Oh hey Syncrasis, Very glad hear that from you! Your Nekros hat is looking amazing! Making the jets bigger and angling it down just a bit definitely adds a lot more interest. Our plan is to have this Steel Meridian symbol and a crisscross of tubes/wires dangling from the base. Still whittling down at the low poly of the jetpack to get it below 5000 triangles though. (The emblem looks a bit too big definitely have to scale it down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danskheart Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 (edited) Love the look so far! The jetpack bit is looking gorgeous! I had an idea/thought for the 'cape' bit where you have the Steel Meridian logo. What if instead of a single tube and the logo standing upright symmetrically, you had multiple tubes that suspended it at more of a tilt? I think it gives the impression of a rebel force, as opposed to the symmetrical look, which donotes order (and may fit Arbiters better). I've used my totally awesome ms paint skills to give an example below. Feel free to disregard at your leisure :) Edit: grammar Edited January 14, 2016 by Danskheart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_malaya_ Posted January 14, 2016 Author Share Posted January 14, 2016 To be honest, I'm kinda questioning the practicality of the whole loose tubes and wiring thing >_> Not that syandanas were ever practical to begin with :P Will definitely experiment with the asymmetrical idea, and I'll go with whichever I think is more balanced Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaSiLB Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Finished the sculpting, on to the tubes, then retopology. Not overly pleased with the silhouette. I rushed the blockout a bit too fast and went right to the tiny details. Will try to make some little adjustments as I merge these into the parts that the low poly will consist of. Pretty chuffed about the little details like the little bag at the side of the engines and the fuel tanks at the bottom though! I feel like I'm getting crazier and crazier with the little things and haven't been giving enough attention to the bigger picture. those details O.o +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoidPunch Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 The detail and overall concept of thos syandana is way better then anything DE has put out lately. Sucks when artists have to work with such strick crunch times. Anyways, great job man! I've been checking up on this one. I'm excited to see it finished and hopefully in game too!I would totally rock it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_malaya_ Posted January 15, 2016 Author Share Posted January 15, 2016 (edited) Thanks! Imo the amount of time I spent on this really factored into how good it looks now, but that's because I'm really slow and inexperienced :P I bet if the artists at DE made this from blazing's concept, it would have been finished a lot quicker and with arguably the same result. Right now I'm at 8.1k triangles without the tubes and the third jet. Now I have to decide where to cut corners while getting as much of the silhouette as possible so I'll be able to fit in the other parts. I gotta say I find this the most enjoyable part, but also the most troublesome. Too much detail on this thing for such a small texture resolution D: Did a test bake, hoping that since you're only gonna be looking at it from afar, this'll be fine. Saved some space for the tubes... I have 500 tris left in the budget and it's not gonna be enough for the tube, the third jet turbine, and a fire texture. It's gonna be clutch, but I'll put my tryhard hat on and try to make everything fit Edited January 15, 2016 by MaaYuu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexmach1 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 (edited) Don't forget that you can use smoothing groups to make your normal map cleaner. You can also remove these lines(and several like them) since they don't contribute to the overall shape: As for the tubes, the railings on the Rota Syandana are 5-sided(since you can't see the edges facing the back, I merged them to save polygons) and the loops are 4-sided. You might be able to get away with using only 5-8 sides for a tube of that thickness. Also, you may have already done this, but decimate as many polygons as you can on the back of the syandana; chances are nobody's ever going to see them, so merge faces as best as possible. Edited January 15, 2016 by alexmach1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_malaya_ Posted January 15, 2016 Author Share Posted January 15, 2016 (edited) Thank you! Since I wanted the backpack to be relatively big, I was reluctant to take away more parts in fear of it being noticeable and getting a nasty bake, but I did it and the difference is mostly negligible. As for the back, I believe I've decimated as much as I can, but I'll see if I can give it a second pass. Also I could never get how smoothing groups worked for baking, and I figured that would only be relevant for hard surface stuff anyways, so I never really felt the need to use them... Do I add a smoothing group to parts of the mesh with sharp directional changes and UV seams? Also, do smoothing groups have to be closed or can be left open like this? So yeah, thanks alexmach1, you really saved me there! I got 300 additional tris and possibly plenty more brrrrrrr.... It's supposed to be moving faster, but gyazo can't handle the fps Edited January 15, 2016 by MaaYuu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexmach1 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 (edited) Thank you! Since I wanted the backpack to be relatively big, I was reluctant to take away more parts in fear of it being noticeable and getting a nasty bake, but I did it and the difference is mostly negligible. As for the back, I believe I've decimated as much as I can, but I'll see if I can give it a second pass. Also I could never get how smoothing groups worked for baking, and I figured that would only be relevant for hard surface stuff anyways, so I never really felt the need to use them... Do I add a smoothing group to parts of the mesh with sharp directional changes and UV seams? Also, do smoothing groups have to be closed or can be left open like this? Smoothing groups act just about the same as splitting edges apart, so you should be fine either way. You can look at the Sybaris(either in your program of choice or inside tennogen) without the normal map to see how DE handles smoothing groups. Edges and cavities that are over 75-90 degrees should be split in order to make the normal map bake as clean as possible without heavy gradients, both for rendering and compression purposes. Alternatively, you can use edge loops but I'd recommend adding those once you finish all the parts, so you can see how many polygons you have left in your budget. You can see splits in the geometry where the angles reach 90 degrees or so. Edited January 15, 2016 by alexmach1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_malaya_ Posted January 21, 2016 Author Share Posted January 21, 2016 (edited) Originally created for use by Grineer Shock Troops during their terror skirmishes to enhance their running speed and jump height. Despite its effectiveness in the field, mass production was halted after a significant increase of death rates as a result from "severe head trauma from repeated intense wall collisions" Despite multiple warnings, many of Steel Meridian's elite insist on using theirs as proof of their skill in battle. https://sketchfab.com/models/c7719ce9cf484fed8f851a27d39ef850 I'm so burnt out right now D: The Syandana sits at 7,495 tris Still need a couple of tweaks in the diffuse and roughness map and it's still looking a bit sloppy, but I've handed over what I currently have to blazingcobalt for tinting now and I imagine it's smooth sailing from here on. Gonna take a break the whole day today then get right to work on the Jotun Helmet Edited January 22, 2016 by MaaYuu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexmach1 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 (edited) Invert the normal green channel Edited January 21, 2016 by alexmach1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucha Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Whoaaaa, you must be really exhausted. This is a great lot of work! Congrats! Also, 7,495 tris is epic XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_malaya_ Posted January 21, 2016 Author Share Posted January 21, 2016 (edited) Invert the normal green channel Ahh thanks, I forgot about that. Updated! Whoaaaa, you must be really exhausted. This is a great lot of work! Congrats! Also, 7,495 tris is epic XD I promised myself I wouldn't go crazy with this one, but it didn't go so well :P Kind of a shame I couldn't afford to put a gimmick in though... the back was supposed to open up like beetle wings and a third jet thingy pops out Edited January 21, 2016 by MaaYuu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_malaya_ Posted January 24, 2016 Author Share Posted January 24, 2016 (edited) It's up! http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=607446363 Model preview on Sketchfab: https://sketchfab.com/models/9d8d966b43d3444ca9d3aff63beb9f5a Preview Images: nap time! zzzzzzzzz Edited January 25, 2016 by MaaYuu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightSniper Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 To be honest, the dangly bit just looks out of place, just leave it looking like a jetpack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varacal Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 To be honest, the dangly bit just looks out of place, just leave it looking like a jetpack. yes this, we need more no-dangly-bit syandanas, and this looks cool as one, definitely a would buy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekkou Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 I'll have to say it can look better. The panel lines between armor plating aren't really visible. Have you tried adding cavity maps to diffuse and specular maps? It can help adding more depth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoidPunch Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 I love it. Although I have to say that the markings don't look grineer or steel meridian at all. Looks kinda alien. The markings are too thin and the dots seem weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dobermann92 Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Inspired by this: http://imshopping.rediff.com/imgshop/300-400/shopping/pixs/4345/e/ecom-bubblemaker._bubbles-maker-launcher-and-soap-tank.jpg The upper part looks cool though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syncrasis Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Seconding Rekkou's suggestion, would love to see a curvature map added to this actually. Curvature maps add sharp dark values to the creases and highlight edges. Knald does a really great job of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_malaya_ Posted January 25, 2016 Author Share Posted January 25, 2016 To be honest, the dangly bit just looks out of place, just leave it looking like a jetpack. yes this, we need more no-dangly-bit syandanas, and this looks cool as one, definitely a would buy Would have been nice to hear this before I baked the damn thing (jk) :P Should have put up more progress shots. The no dangly thing I kinda agree with, and I think enough people have complained about it. I'll go over it with blazingcobalt (Don't really wanna crouch in on alexmach1's territory though) I love it. Although I have to say that the markings don't look grineer or steel meridian at all. Looks kinda alien. The markings are too thin and the dots seem weird. Yeah, I'll fill the pattern in a bit more once I finish the Jotun I'll have to say it can look better. The panel lines between armor plating aren't really visible. Have you tried adding cavity maps to diffuse and specular maps? It can help adding more depth Seconding Rekkou's suggestion, would love to see a curvature map added to this actually. Curvature maps add sharp dark values to the creases and highlight edges. Knald does a really great job of it. I have a curvature map, but I didn't wanna have any lighting information on my diffuse map. Buuut I tried it and it looks good, can easily be chalked down to being dirt in the crevices: Inspired by this: http://imshopping.rediff.com/imgshop/300-400/shopping/pixs/4345/e/ecom-bubblemaker._bubbles-maker-launcher-and-soap-tank.jpg The upper part looks cool though. dear god. i was thinking more along the lines of this: http://smg.photobucket.com/user/gmcube/media/Toy%20Story/bungie.jpg.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evan-0-matic Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 I really enjoy this idea and the the fact that you really studied the Grineer style to complete it makes me happy. It's asymmetrical too, something most Grineer fans seem to miss when designing anything based off that faction. And I have to agree completely with others... The dangle ruins it for me. I also wish it was slightly larger, width and height wise. Maybe it's because all of the in game back armor doesn't look like armor or cover anything at all and this could be perfect to fill that gap :] Again, great work. I really hope it makes it in! Oh! Maybe you could try replacing the dangle with a much, much shorter assortment of looping tubes/ wires... Kinda like the Grin cape DE released a while back, with the small rotating dial/ clock looking piece in the center (can't remember it's name). Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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