kill3r_furby Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Anyone else here an F2P player? Anyone of you also new to the game? Any of YOU notice how easily you can die as a low-level player if you don't know all the intricate little details? Anyone notice that you have to buy more lives? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I do believe that the goal of any multiplayer game, let alone a free one, is to keep people playing. That being said, it gets a little hard to keep playing if you need to pay actual money to buy more lives after you've already died four times. Now, you can argue...well, ingnorantly insult my intelligence with "Lol you suck how do you die so often this game is stupid easy uninstall it now you noob." You could. You'd be wrong, but you could. Basically, as it stands there are so many ways to just outright die with little to no warning that your daily alotted four retries tend to get used up, especially if you're farming any sort of boss. So, instead of just leaving this as a rant about why the game almost just made me ninja star my monitor, I will offer some of my own ideas to fix this problem that can very easily alienate newcomers and boss farmers alike. How about, for example, increasing the free life pool? Say to, I don't know, 10? 15? Something that won't discourage someone from playing for the rest of the day because they can't even make it through a particularly tough mission. Or, make us put our credits to use. Now, if they were to charge something unreasonable for each life you buy, I'd be back here ranting on that too. However, maybe price 'em at around 500-1000 apiece. Nothing too difficult, something you can achieve with a bit of effort. All I'm asking is that if someone were to die more often than most (which, let's face it, is completely common as of now), don't punish them for it. Give them a chance to keep playing the game, instead of turning each mission into an iron man speedrun challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vahnkiljoy Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 If you don't want to pay for lives then play a little slower/safer or play with others instead of by yourself, NO ONE is FORCING you to pay for more revives. They are free every, what 24 hours? Just don't go running around like a madman thinking you're indestructable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UmbraSaruta Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 You get reset to 4/4 lives every 24 hours (midnight east coast) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiawyr Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 If you don't want to pay for lives then play a little slower/safer or play with others instead of by yourself, NO ONE is FORCING you to pay for more revives. They are free every, what 24 hours? Just don't go running around like a madman thinking you're indestructable. He mentioned he was playing with others. He is correct that there currently exist a number of ways to be cheesed into dying with little to no warning, and in such a way as to make revival by others unlikely/impossible. And fighting a boss, you can't sit back safely very much because their shield regenerates at an alarming rate, and shooting through the shield every time you want to damage the boss will eat your ammo up to the point that you can't finish it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sohberson Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Get good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChathSuaco Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Get good +1 for truth! Next. I'd be willing to see this if it was bumped up to something ungodly like 1m credits per, and they put in an easy conversaion of 3 plat to 1m credits. It would make it MUCH easier for people like you, I mean, you have enough time to farm up 1m credits right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kordesh Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Honestly, it's not that easy to die. I die, rarely, if I'm getting reckless. 4 revives per day is more than enough to handle any mishaps where there's no teammates to bring me back up. Adding more would just encourage death spamming your way through things. Considering the relatively short length of the missions (the ones thus far anyway) and the difficulty, I'd rather they scrap revives on anything but solo runs before increasing the daily allotment. That said, also kind of annoying letting people pay to cheat death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelektrik Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Also each Warframe has a separate set of revives currently, and they replenish daily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galestorm Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 its really not as hard as your tring to make it sound, up until the first assassination misson i was soloing and i didnt die once Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kill3r_furby Posted January 21, 2013 Author Share Posted January 21, 2013 If you don't want to pay for lives then play a little slower/safer or play with others instead of by yourself, NO ONE is FORCING you to pay for more revives. They are free every, what 24 hours? Just don't go running around like a madman thinking you're indestructable. This is correct. However, as I stated, there are just some ways you simply cannot avoid death, especially when any more than 10 feet from a partner (See- Jackal flechette/rocket attack, soldier grenade, etc.). Plus, one of the downsides to showing off all the dynamic lighting and particle effects is that you can quite easily lose track of just what the hell is going on around you. Get good I'm not even wasting my time on you. You get reset to 4/4 lives every 24 hours (midnight east coast) Right, but as I said, they can be used up incredibly quickly. I just played about a 2-hour session, with this being the first time I'm playing today, and I've already lost all of the 4 lives they give, and I really don't feel like paying money so I don't have to just leave a match once I've died (I know you can spectate, but that isn't the point of farming now is it?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CakeBandit Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 (edited) Anyone else here an F2P player? Anyone of you also new to the game? Any of YOU notice how easily you can die as a low-level player if you don't know all the intricate little details? Anyone notice that you have to buy more lives? ... Anyone else remember when you had to put a quarter in the machine to continue? But seriously, you don't HAVE to use those tokens. I've got my own complaints about the game, but the only thing that can outright kill you right now is a grenade to the face, which really doesn't happen often. Even jumping into a pit doesn't KILL you. It just resets you. I've been playing pretty much all day for the first time today as well and I have 3/4 lives left. The only reason I don't have 4/4 is because I wondered what they were and what they did. I just don't need 'em. Ease off the sword, aim for some faces. Edited January 21, 2013 by CakeBandit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kill3r_furby Posted January 21, 2013 Author Share Posted January 21, 2013 Okay, take this from another perspective, instead of just as my rantings. Say a player is extremely new, fresh off the splash screen, and has nobody to play with, doesn't know the finer details to this game, and isn't incredibly great at the game. What's he to do once he's died for the 5th time? Say "Oh well, I'll have to just come back tomorrow"? The point I'm trying to make is that regardless of skill, it can be a very apparent barrier to entry for newcomers. I'm not proposing that they jack up the life pool so it doesn't take much skill to make it through a mission. I'm simply saying give people other options once they're dead aside from paying money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelektrik Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Thats not a problem with the revive system though, thats a problem with difficulty scaling if they are dieing 4 times that quickly at the start of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced- Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Okay, take this from another perspective, instead of just as my rantings. Say a player is extremely new, fresh off the splash screen, and has nobody to play with, doesn't know the finer details to this game, and isn't incredibly great at the game. What's he to do once he's died for the 5th time? Say "Oh well, I'll have to just come back tomorrow"? The point I'm trying to make is that regardless of skill, it can be a very apparent barrier to entry for newcomers. I'm not proposing that they jack up the life pool so it doesn't take much skill to make it through a mission. I'm simply saying give people other options once they're dead aside from paying money. No, not come back tommorow. He will fail mission and get to try again until he can get better at the game. Passing missions without death should not be a problem that much and if it is, you really do need to get a bit better before going any farther. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChathSuaco Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Right, but as I said, they can be used up incredibly quickly. I just played about a 2-hour session, with this being the first time I'm playing today, and I've already lost all of the 4 lives they give, and I really don't feel like paying money so I don't have to just leave a match once I've died (I know you can spectate, but that isn't the point of farming now is it?). ... You lost 4 lives in two hours... That's a death every half hour... What are you doing? Running Pluto? I did add you in game to check out your stats and I'm gonna say, before you complain about the lives, try and actually figure out the game. I died a lot early game, but only when soloing the first assasination. Before then, I never died. I was able to deal with basically anything. Let me give you a pointer, I did add you so I could look at your stats. Most of your kills are melee... Try to stand back, and use a ranged weapon. Focus on headshots... and attop all of this... watch your enemies. If you see one throw a grenade MOVE. Oh, and one last thing... Your excalabur is a rank 14 warframe... It's nowhere near strong enough for you to be going places where you should be dealing with the gineer on saturn, I know what the level says, but if you touch a burner and get burned, you dont touch it again, you move on. go to Venus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CakeBandit Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Okay, take this from another perspective, instead of just as my rantings. Say a player is extremely new, fresh off the splash screen, and has nobody to play with, doesn't know the finer details to this game, and isn't incredibly great at the game. What's he to do once he's died for the 5th time? Say "Oh well, I'll have to just come back tomorrow"? The point I'm trying to make is that regardless of skill, it can be a very apparent barrier to entry for newcomers. I'm not proposing that they jack up the life pool so it doesn't take much skill to make it through a mission. I'm simply saying give people other options once they're dead aside from paying money. Maybe he should spectate the other players who are clearly better at the game than he is? Maybe by taking him out of the game and having him watch them for the rest of the round the game is attempting to teach him how not to suck. Because that's what it's doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kill3r_furby Posted January 21, 2013 Author Share Posted January 21, 2013 Also each Warframe has a separate set of revives currently, and they replenish daily. Nice to know, I've been trying to farm for my Rhino, hence being downed (and killed) by Jackal. Alot. No, not come back tommorow. He will fail mission and get to try again until he can get better at the game. Passing missions without death should not be a problem that much and if it is, you really do need to get a bit better before going any farther. I agree that playtime increases skill, and avoidance of death is a great incentive. I'm just &!$$ed off, I was trying to farm with a friend (and eventually with random players), and I was dying incredibly quickly during the boss fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UmbraSaruta Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Okay, take this from another perspective, instead of just as my rantings. Say a player is extremely new, fresh off the splash screen, and has nobody to play with First, the start setup puts you in online mode which will automatically put you in a group with other people to play with. I'm not proposing that they jack up the life pool so it doesn't take much skill to make it through a mission. I'm simply saying give people other options once they're dead aside from paying money. Second, they can abort the mission and go back to an earlier level or retry the same level so as not to lose that life. They will still keep their base exp, mods, and materials aquired before aborting. The only thing that will be lost is the bonus exp that they would have gotten and any mission reward that is posted with the mission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CakeBandit Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 ...which is an insane barrier to entry when a new player (I just started about 4 days ago) is instantly downed (and subsequently killed due to unreasonably short down times (but that's another issue)) makes it to, say, Venus, and suddenly finds that all of a sudden he's burning through his lives (and subsequently being more or less forced out of matches) because the AI have a burning passion for seeing you dead in the quickest way possible. It sucks. It alienates solo players who are just trying to run missions, who now suddenly have to be fearful of how far away they are from a lonely soldier. Found your problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kill3r_furby Posted January 21, 2013 Author Share Posted January 21, 2013 First, the start setup puts you in online mode which will automatically put you in a group with other people to play with. Second, they can abort the mission and go back to an earlier level or retry the same level so as not to lose that life. They will still keep their base exp, mods, and materials aquired before aborting. The only thing that will be lost is the bonus exp that they would have gotten and any mission reward that is posted with the mission. 1. yes. ive come to find that in my travels the random players youre paired with arent the friendliest bunch. better to have friends with you. 2. have already lost all 4 lives. essentially need to abort after every farming attempt, save for when i miraculously survive the entire mission. Thank you for those that gave your advice. The rest of you, &!$$ off. Go back to the game. Unless you get off to insulting skill levels anywhere not on par with your own, there is nothing here for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UmbraSaruta Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 (edited) I've been trying to farm for my Rhino, hence being downed (and killed) by Jackal. Alot. You only have a level 14 Excaliber warframe and various weapons that you are trying which are level 11 and 10 for your high weapons and 6 and 5 for your pistols with a level 5 skana. I suggest hideing behind pillars, shooting him using ammunitions that drop in the center and jumping just before the big orange sphere hits you. Or go back and level your gear some and try to get better mods. Or even both of those options. Also, dont get under him. It's deadly even with a level 30 Excaliber that hasnt been upgraded to prime. Edited January 21, 2013 by UmbraSaruta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galestorm Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 I honestly do think if you can't do venus solo you prob wont get any frther without a team unless you practice extensively, not trying to be mean. 1. yes. ive come to find that in my travels the random players youre paired with arent the friendliest bunch. better to have friends with you. I have been playing for a few days now, and i haven't met a single unfriendly person, they have all been helpfull and nobody has ignored my questions, I don't see how you could find nobody who would help you and frankly I don't think you even tried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UmbraSaruta Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 1. yes. ive come to find that in my travels the random players youre paired with arent the friendliest bunch. better to have friends with you. Also one thing about this. On the forums there are posts of where people can go to try to make some teams with other people. There may even be higher leveled people there that will help you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyngbakr Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 I've lost all my 4 lives because i was reckless-soloing-suicidal-melee with loki, Guess what? i did it because i was bored and wanted to learn about the mechanism and gameplay. So far i have only been downed by a 'nade in the face because he was 1m away from me and I didnt see him. A boss is really a boss, you cant just think it's "aim 'n shoot", that's what i love about this game. It brings actually "tactics" into the picture aswell, by that i mean use cover, be a scared little kitty for anything the boss does. Back to the point, so what if you die and have to abandon mission? You learned something from it, didn't you? "I remember back i my days we barely had any checkpoints!" - Which made me learn about any game, just think of the revives as a bonus, not a thing you need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UmbraSaruta Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 checkpoints! The good old days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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