GTG3000 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Pretty much the title. I find it a bit weird that the sleep arrow does not prevent enemies from getting alerted (and does not reset their alert status until AFTER they woke up). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Himari- Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 I certainly hope that it is a bug, I've come across this as well. Even though enemies have been put into a sleeping state, passing in front of them still alerts. And not to mention that they will still speak as though they can see you. Moved to a proper section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)C0gnitive 0n3 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 I wonder if this bug also applies to Equinox's Rest ability? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xethier Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/579855-stealth-got-stealth-nerfed/ Welcome to the Party, Pal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domaik Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Might be a derivative reaction of the ninja nerf to stealth... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stratego89 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/579855-stealth-got-stealth-nerfed/ Welcome to the Party, Pal! This is something different from that... entirely... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xethier Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 This is something different from that... entirely... it really isn't. the stealth alert system is screwed, blued and tattooed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stratego89 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 it really isn't. the stealth alert system is screwed, blued and tattooed. If you read today's patch notes, it's pretty much confirmed that DE is finally taking the initiative on fixing up enemy AI in a way that makes stealth viable yet challenging enough to reward players. Them changing enemies to be alerted when they see each other die is different from something that is clearly a bug related to an ability. (FYI since I figure you're not going to take the time out of your day to read patch notes like you should, today they just made it so that their "hivemind" only reaches (from my testing) 20-25m and doesn't pass through doors. So now even if someone gets alerted, the whole world doesn't). PS- just tested in game OP. I am not experiencing this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xethier Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 If you read today's patch notes, it's pretty much confirmed that DE is finally taking the initiative on fixing up enemy AI in a way that makes stealth viable yet challenging enough to reward players. Them changing enemies to be alerted when they see each other die is different from something that is clearly a bug related to an ability. (FYI since I figure you're not going to take the time out of your day to read patch notes like you should, today they just made it so that their "hivemind" only reaches (from my testing) 20-25m and doesn't pass through doors. So now even if someone gets alerted, the whole world doesn't). PS- just tested in game OP. I am not experiencing this. Thanks, I did read it. However... and this is where the other thread comes into play... The consistency of alerted mobs isn't uniform, there are issues with bows vs. hitscan alerting, stealth kills etc. Ivara was mentioned in that other thread numerous times and this is a much larger issue than this single ability. Removing the ability for mobs to magically see through doors is only one small slice of the problem(s). Oh, and thanks for assuming that I have no idea what I'm talking about or actually do my due diligence when trying to discuss issues, nice to see the forums haven't changed a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stratego89 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Thanks, I did read it. However... and this is where the other thread comes into play... The consistency of alerted mobs isn't uniform, there are issues with bows vs. hitscan alerting, stealth kills etc. Ivara was mentioned in that other thread numerous times and this is a much larger issue than this single ability. Removing the ability for mobs to magically see through doors is only one small slice of the problem(s). Which I'm sure considering the changes to enemy AI/stealth in the last few days, they'll start taking into account and improving on. Ofc it's a slice of the problem. DE clearly isn't going to do everything at once. Reworking enemy ai entirely in one batch is a horrible idea for a game this big. If something goes wrong- it affects a lot of people greatly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xethier Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 (edited) Which I'm sure considering the changes to enemy AI/stealth in the last few days, they'll start taking into account and improving on. Ofc it's a slice of the problem. DE clearly isn't going to do everything at once. Reworking enemy ai entirely in one batch is a horrible idea for a game this big. If something goes wrong- it affects a lot of people greatly. something always goes wrong. it's the nature of the beast. right now stealth is pretty much broken as any mob can be randomly alerted and you'll never know until you kill it. (unless you're meleeing everything and using nothing but stealth kills as the "x" doesn't show up if the mob is alerted) there are a number of very good ideas in the thread i posted. (most of them aren't mine) stealth has been broken for a very long time, personally the alerted change (reversion) for mobs to alert upon seeing a teammate killed is a good one, but it isn't uniform and random abilities being broken (like ivara's sleep arrow) are a symptom, not the cause. Edited December 18, 2015 by xethier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stratego89 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 something always goes wrong. it's the nature of the beast. right now stealth is pretty much broken as any mob can be randomly alerted and you'll never know until you kill it. (unless you're meleeing everything and using nothing but stealth kills as the "x" doesn't show up if the mob is alerted) there are a number of very good ideas in the thread i posted. (most of them aren't mine) stealth has been broken for a very long time, personally the alerted change (reversion) for mobs to alert upon seeing a teammate killed is a good one, but it isn't uniform and random abilities being broken (like ivara's sleep arrow) are a symptom, not the cause. As I said in my "PS" on the reply that you replied to, I'm not getting this bug when using my sleep arrows. I tested over 3 whole spy missions by using the arrows and walking around the enemies, then running off / killing them before they saw me. None of the were 'alerted' by my presence after falling asleep. I've also never seen any mob that wasn't acting alerted break my stealth bonuses, which I'm technically chaining in any given mission. I personally have not run into any of these bugs or inconsistency being claimed on forums, so for me everything seems to be undergoing heavy improvements and has no issue... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nefarious Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 (edited) As I said in my "PS" on the reply that you replied to, I'm not getting this bug when using my sleep arrows. I tested over 3 whole spy missions by using the arrows and walking around the enemies, then running off / killing them before they saw me. None of the were 'alerted' by my presence after falling asleep. I've also never seen any mob that wasn't acting alerted break my stealth bonuses, which I'm technically chaining in any given mission. I personally have not run into any of these bugs or inconsistency being claimed on forums, so for me everything seems to be undergoing heavy improvements and has no issue... I can confirm that this has been the issue with Ivara's Sleep Arrow since day 1. I just tried it again in an Exterminate on Mercury, no alerts, nobody saw me. Put them to sleep, walked in front and they do a weird twitching animation and then return back to the sleep state and then proceed to hide/trigger alarms after that unless killed. Now, i don't know about the stealth nerf or whatever DE has done in the meanwhile, but i know for a fact this happened on release day already. It does seem that sometimes crouching seems to help with this problem, so you can quickly roll in front of them or something, but other than that this has to be a bug.Not much of a "Sleep" arrow. Edited December 18, 2015 by Nefarious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfluffy Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 If I put enemy to sleep with arrow and they are facing another that dies if I kill them I get no stealth bonus because apparently he sleeps with his eyes open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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