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I doubt that you see more melee Ash's than BS Ash's these days, especially viable ones for endgame.

Yea cause the basedamage on the damage type is relatively over the top. Melee gives the best result for BS tho, whats a must if you reach a certain point.

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I wouldnt say he's viable. From my experience, ash prime relies on nothing but damage with hardly any utility. Once you start to run into level 80+ enemies, the damage will fallout a huge amount and ash will pretty much be useless. The only damage-based warframe that is viable for late game I'd say i equinox.

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Why on earth are people going off-topic comparing frames when all the OP asked was whether Ash was viable in later levels?

 

As an Ash user, yes he is relatively viable but that also depends on how far you plan on going. For sorties, yes, he is still viable at that level, even more so in an organized team. All four of his abilities are extremely useful as many others have already stated. Most depends on how you're going to use/mod him. As an estimate, I've managed to survive 1hr13mins into T4S solo with just Ash Prime with 2 maxed Arcane Trickery(s). Currently going up the Naramon Focus path as well.

 

Again, how useful he is depends on what you want out of him as with many other frames; they all serve a specific role/purpose.

Whether he is boring or not is highly subjective, that depends on you as the player.

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Only thing is-ppl use ash alot, he in the meta already. I'd say i see him more frequently than ivara or excal

I doubt that you see more melee Ash's than BS Ash's these days, especially viable ones for endgame.

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Actually Ash can hit up to a total of 21k bleed tick dmg + the initial 12k raw damage.

 

Also Excal with radial finish augment on boosts support to Ash's bladestorm damage to deal 80-100k per 18-21 targets.

 

Most enemies don't even have 30k hp.

Does that actually work? (radial finish + bladestorm?) 

That is nuts, never though of that one. 

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Actually Ash can hit up to a total of 21k bleed tick dmg + the initial 12k raw damage.

 

Also Excal with radial finish augment on boosts support to Ash's bladestorm damage to deal 80-100k per 18-21 targets.

 

Most enemies don't even have 30k hp.

Sure. No doubt. Ash deals high damage but low DPS compared to other frames if you ask me. Also it doesn't scale outside of ignoring armour. That's what i've meant all the time. When one wants to go high in survival or defense, he definitely doesn't want to see an ash in his team. But for sure i don't really care what people bring in random missions as long as they're doing good. May it be ash or may it be valkyr.

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He may not have a ton of team utility off the bat, but he isn't just a solo player. I carry pub sorties with him all the time, use invis to help revive and BS to clear mobs. With fury and zerker stacks I can kill just as fast or faster than any godframe/weapon short of a SP Mag against corpus.

Ash may not have the most utility no, but with augments he can strip enemy armor, or make allies invisible. And I've saved countless sorties now just by killing fast enough and using invis to revive.

Sure with x4 corrosive projection there are better killers, but ash is far more than just a solo frame. In fact there is a thread somewhere about a successful eight ash raid. So he can even do that too.

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Is the space pope reptilian? 

 

 

In all seriousness I use Ash Prime for sorties and I carry people easily through all of them no trouble. 

 

Only time I change my builds is for sortie spy, and while Loki's still carry more weight if they are in the squad, because they have tricks like switch tele + decoy, I can still be very useful and hold my own. 

 

Invis is great for getting to downed allies and I can keep up dps in a disorganized team with bs. 

 

Ash isn't just great for endgame solo, he's also great for pub groups on high level, because he can always be counted on to be able to safely pick up the slack in terms of damage, and pick up allies if needed. 

 

In a team with x4 corrosive projection though, he is not nearly as clutch. That's why he's the king of random pub sorties. 

 

 

OP. Bladestorm. I just rubbed my eyes in case i wasn't reading right but they seem to not fool me. Bladestorm is just an ult which deals damage to enemies. Good damage indeed, but it falls off extremely fast. Valkyrs, wukongs and excals ultis are FAR better.

 

 

Teleport + Covert Lethality is a guaranteed oneshotkill on most enemies but too slow to be useful.

 

 

Shuriken to remove the armor of 1 or 2 enemies? In most cases they are already dead...if not...well....you should have taken 4 corrosives anyway if you want to go high against grineer/void.

 

He is a fun frame, but NOT high end viable.

 
Are you actually serious? Ash is probably the most damaging pure damage frame in the game. 
 
Sure, if the team has x4 cp a lot of damage frames can outdo him. But outside of a team with x4 CP he has the most scalable damage of anyone because he ignores all armor. 
 
Ash is one of the single most endgame viable frames in the game. Invis on demand, armor ignoring damage, and augments that can make the team invisible, strip enemy armor. 
 
And yes, his 3 + CL absolutely can be useful on high level. Fairly safe if you are invisible too. It scales infinitely. 
 
I have never heard anyone before try to argue Ash is not end game viable, this is madness lol. 
 
 
Are you seriously saying Bladestorm falls off extremely fast? Then how come I can continue to tear apart piles of enemies on sortie 3 Eximus Stronghold Defense on the last waves with only Intensify + Steel Charge? It ignores armor, it has some of the least damage falloff of any ability for that reason. 
 
What level enemies are you comparing it to when you say it's damage falls off fast? 

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As someone who brought Ash to 1 hour T4S just spamming Bladestorm (taking advantage of melee combo and steel charge), I'd say he's viable. Just quite boring. Going for invi build is boring as well since enemies totally cannot fight back.

In short, he is viable. Just boring.

Just as "boring" as shooting enemies CC'd to hell and back (disarm, MPrime) who also can't really fight back.

I did the same and I didn't find it boring. Quite the opposite actually. Keeping up the combo, reviving and staying out of crossfire kept me on my toes.

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The biggest obstacles in high level play are enemy damage, and enemy armor. Ash has abilities that can make him invisible and/or invincible so he doesn't die so easily, has an ability that ignores armor, has access to Finishers on demand which ignore armor, and has an augment that lets an ability completely strip armor.

 

So... yeah, he's viable.

 

 

Just take excal and ash in simulacrum vs 105 lvl bombard and see who gonna kill it first. Answer is-excal, literally 1-2 sec, same goes for ivara, who will shred him to pieces in few sec, both excal and ivara can be useful to the team-rb and cloak arrow, and can CC dudes-rb and sleep arrow.

 

What on earth are you talking about? Ash will kill it with a teleport before the other two can even get into range.

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Seeing as Bladestorm ignores armour and deals heavy slash damage over time, I'd say yes. Assuming Bladestorm is all you will use.

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Actually Ash can hit up to a total of 21k bleed tick dmg + the initial 12k raw damage.

 

Also Excal with radial finish augment on boosts support to Ash's bladestorm damage to deal 80-100k per 18-21 targets.

 

Most enemies don't even have 30k hp.

Yep, ^this.

 

Ash really synergizes well with Excal, and Banshee. Excal with Radiant Finish, and Banshee with Savage Silence plus Sonar can boost Ash's damage to ridiculously high numbers.

 

Also, All 4 of his abilities are useful. There are very few frames in the game that doesn't have at least 1 useless ability. Even some of the most end game viable frames like Nova, Trinity, and Vauban have at least 1 useless ability.

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What on earth are you talking about? Ash will kill it with a teleport before the other two can even get into range.

I mean excal has this AE opener for stealth finishers but yea, ash would definitly own this.

And since he probably refered to EB, i fail to see how a innitial 4x multiplier would finish a lvl 105 bombard...

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Just take excal and ash in simulacrum vs 105 lvl bombard and see who gonna kill it first. Answer is-excal, literally 1-2 sec, same goes for ivara, who will shred him to pieces in few sec, both excal and ivara can be useful to the team-rb and cloak arrow, and can CC dudes-rb and sleep arrow.

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Radial  invincibility invisiblity for those cosy campers, just set up stealth weps and cheese away.

 

Bring a steel charge or four (unless you're doing  a 4 corrosive run) and watch your bladestorm rip enemies to shreds.

 

Shuriken enemies with the augment to remove all of their armor.

 

He's pretty damn viable I'd say. Not  very easy to use unless  just spamming, he ain't a Loki, but he's close.

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Seeing as Bladestorm ignores armour and deals heavy slash damage over time, I'd say yes. Assuming Bladestorm is all you will use.

It ignores armor? That seems a little op. But isn't his teleport and shrunken still good? I heard a shrunken with the Aug ans strength can instantly strip an enemies armor

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Teleport is decent for picking out and reking one enemy, but yeah pressing 4 is where it's at.

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It ignores armor? That seems a little op. But isn't his teleport and shrunken still good? I heard a shrunken with the Aug ans strength can instantly strip an enemies armor

OP. Bladestorm. I just rubbed my eyes in case i wasn't reading right but they seem to not fool me. Bladestorm is just an ult which deals damage to enemies. Good damage indeed, but it falls off extremely fast. Valkyrs, wukongs and excals ultis are FAR better.

 

Teleport is decent for picking out and reking one enemy, but yeah pressing 4 is where it's at.

 

Teleport + Covert Lethality is a guaranteed oneshotkill on most enemies but too slow to be useful.

 

Shuriken enemies with the augment to remove all of their armor.

 

He's pretty damn viable I'd say. Not  very easy to use unless  just spamming, he ain't a Loki, but he's close.

 

Shuriken to remove the armor of 1 or 2 enemies? In most cases they are already dead...if not...well....you should have taken 4 corrosives anyway if you want to go high against grineer/void.

 

He is a fun frame, but NOT high end viable.

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Is the space pope reptilian? 

 

 

In all seriousness I use Ash Prime for sorties and I carry people easily through all of them no trouble. 

 

Only time I change my builds is for sortie spy, and while Loki's still carry more weight if they are in the squad, because they have tricks like switch tele + decoy, I can still be very useful and hold my own. 

 

Invis is great for getting to downed allies and I can keep up dps in a disorganized team with bs. 

 

Ash isn't just great for endgame solo, he's also great for pub groups on high level, because he can always be counted on to be able to safely pick up the slack in terms of damage, and pick up allies if needed. 

 

In a team with x4 corrosive projection though, he is not nearly as clutch. That's why he's the king of random pub sorties. 

 

 
 
Are you actually serious? Ash is probably the most damaging pure damage frame in the game. 
 
Sure, if the team has x4 cp a lot of damage frames can outdo him. But outside of a team with x4 CP he has the most scalable damage of anyone because he ignores all armor. 
 
Ash is one of the single most endgame viable frames in the game. Invis on demand, armor ignoring damage, and augments that can make the team invisible, strip enemy armor. 
 
And yes, his 3 + CL absolutely can be useful on high level. Fairly safe if you are invisible too. It scales infinitely. 
 
I have never heard anyone before try to argue Ash is not end game viable, this is madness lol. 
 
 
Are you seriously saying Bladestorm falls off extremely fast? Then how come I can continue to tear apart piles of enemies on sortie 3 Eximus Stronghold Defense on the last waves with only Intensify + Steel Charge? It ignores armor, it has some of the least damage falloff of any ability for that reason. 
 
What level enemies are you comparing it to when you say it's damage falls off fast? 

 

Dude....dude.....why......

 

Ash is one of the single most endgame viable frames? What is this? He does cute damage. really cute damage. Mirage is DAMAGE. Mirage with prism combined with melee is DAMAGE. Excal is DAMAGE, Valkyr is DAMAGE and Godmode. Wukong is even more DAMAGE. Mag against corpus is DAMAGE. Even Banshee is some DAMAGE.

 

Or wanna see what real damage is?

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Ash is nowhere as good as other damage dealers and being invisible /= invincible. Better CC those enemies before you go revive someone. What i also don't understand is that you pick loki for spy sortie? Why don't you stay with ash? Seriously, spy can be done with any frame it's not hard.

 

And about that covert lethality thing, there are still enemies that can't be finished.

 

Sorry to say this but if ash's ult starts to deal more damage than excals ult because of armor, you are doing something wrong, ash shouldn't be considered for endgame. Also, the enemies will probably have so much health that your bladestorm tickles them only.

 

And yes, i'm being serious.

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Sure. No doubt. Ash deals high damage but low DPS compared to other frames if you ask me. Also it doesn't scale outside of ignoring armour. That's what i've meant all the time. When one wants to go high in survival or defense, he definitely doesn't want to see an ash in his team. But for sure i don't really care what people bring in random missions as long as they're doing good. May it be ash or may it be valkyr.

 

True, most people don't want a Ash in their team when doing long survivals, just because he's not a support frame, but that doesn't mean he can't do long survivals. I have a buddy that does 3-4 hour T4 survivals with Ash regularly.

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You need some pretty good boost on high level enemies because damage won't be enough, try using Excal with radial finish augment as --Sensei-- said or use any other buffer such as rhino or total eclipse mirrage. Otherwise, you will have some problems to kill high level enemies with 4th ability on ash.

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