N_0_X Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Aren't we forgetting our invincible berserker? Valkyr would definitely kill before getting killed first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acos Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 How can you fight what you can't see? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Onyxflamegod Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Raw destructive power: Nova, as has been said several times.Utility based power: Limbo, because with enough mastery of rift magicks, he can juke and jive his way in and out of invincibility while ruining any opposition.Utility based destructive power: Volt, due to the interactions that electricity has with everything.Strongest warframe against other warframes: Valkyr, Pop godmode, ripline your victim next to you, Paralyze them, Instagib with dagger to the chest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N_0_X Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 I was under the impression of a 1v1 Tenno tournament. That's why I nominated Valkyr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoirMortiOwl Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Raw destructive power: Nova, as has been said several times. Utility based power: Limbo, because with enough mastery of rift magicks, he can juke and jive his way in and out of invincibility while ruining any opposition. Utility based destructive power: Volt, due to the interactions that electricity has with everything. Strongest warframe against other warframes: Valkyr, Pop godmode, ripline your victim next to you, Paralyze them, Instagib with dagger to the chest. Nyx could beat Valkyr... DAT mind control... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N_0_X Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Nyx could beat Valkyr... DAT mind control... What exactly can Nyx do when controlling someone who is already invincible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoirMortiOwl Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 What exactly can Nyx do when controlling someone who is already invincible? force them to jump into a lava pool...Valkyr is not always indestructible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faiyde Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Be either Nyx or Trinity, anything another frame can do to them, they can throw back/mirror/control themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)ArnnFrost Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Excalibur? He would go Bankai and some CLEM and keep on yelling "Gitsuga Tenchu" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N_0_X Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 (edited) force them to jump into a lava pool... Valkyr is not always indestructible Said Lava pool to be conveniently nearby is kinda situational. I was expecting you to say something like Nyx forces Valkyr to un-Hyteriafy herself but then she would just reactivate it again. Pretty sure Valkyr has had her fairshare of dealing with mind control from the Corpus. I don't doubt she can handle Nyx. Edited January 7, 2016 by Endymion0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoirMortiOwl Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Said Lava pool to be conveniently nearby is kinda situational. I was expecting you to say something like Nyx forces Valkyr to un-Hyteriafy herself but then she would just reactivate it again. Pretty sure Valkyr has had her fairshare of dealing with mind control from the Corpus. I don't doubt she can handle Nyx. Not sure the Corpus mind control is anywhere near Nyx's ability. But you dont need a lava pool. Any sort of hazard. Under the ocean... Into Jupiters atmosphere, into space, down a cliff, whatever is around lol. Or just mind control someone else to kill Valkyr... Mind control is nasty business Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)FunyFlyBoy Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 If you're talking about just straight up reading the stats and then comparing them to others in a FFA then Trinity. If you're talking about the flavor text(Nova being actually Antimatter instead of just a slow, bonus damage, and blast damage upon exploding) then Trinity. It is a Bias answer but looking at Trinity's powers...she can sustain herself while all the other warframe slowly kill themselves by trying to hurt her. Your flavor text is invalid when it is redirected straight back at you. Trinity would be a double homicide. Link, even by flavor text, only prevents and sends out a portion of damage, however, something that destroys matter utterly, no exception, would just end up killing both Trinity and Nova. 95% damage reduction on infinity is still infinity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilvaDreams Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 (edited) Nova. A drop of Anti-matter and it's gg nuke, or simply having your molecules cooked destabilized and all of yourself coated in anti-matter, one collision and you're atomized. Limbo's a solid contender as well, being a Planeshifter and all, which grants some nifty utility like intangibility, BFR techniques, or even straight up dissecting his foes if Limbo can separately banish certain organs. (which would be awesome as clem to see happen in a cinematic, do it DE!) Maybe Nyx if her mind-hax is strong enough. Not really people always over hype antimatter, the conversation is a perfect matter to energy conversion (That is across all spectrums of energy like light, intended,em,rf ext. Light being the biggest) but it takes a good bit to make a big explosion.Nukes are essentially work in the same way only not as efficient and more of a chain reaction, we use a few pounds of highly refined uranium and then make a shotgun slug of cobalt that causes a massive gamma burst triggering that classic boom as the heavy uranium atoms shoot off their electrons to hit the air which then do the same thing.... It's why nukes in space are pointless (Except in movies) Edited January 7, 2016 by SilvaDreams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)CL_Poloboyzz93 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 (edited) Personally, id say limbo. Like, come on, a frame that controls another dimension! How would that not be godlike! What are your thoughts? For clarity, i mean the concept surrounding the warframe, not how they act ingame, since that is subjected to balancing for the games sake The concept surrounding the warframe ? In a literal sense, Ember. Fire. Burn. Lol. Tbh, when your burning, you can't do anything, just because DE says drahks can still attack you while their fur is burning doesnt mean its true!!!! In a realistic vision, Ember would instantly melt any warframe (because FIRE IS SUPER EFFECTIVE TO STEEL DUHHH POKEMON 101) before they could get an ability off. Then, there's only hydroid to counter her. Edited January 7, 2016 by (PS4)Poloboyzz93 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Blaze- Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 The concept surrounding the warframe ? In a literal sense, Ember. Fire. Burn. Lol. Tbh, when your burning, you can't do anything, just because DE says drahks can still attack you while their fur is burning doesnt mean its true!!!! In a realistic vision, Ember would instantly melt any warframe (because FIRE IS SUPER EFFECTIVE TO STEEL DUHHH POKEMON 101) before they could get an ability off. Then, there's only hydroid to counter her. But Ember can't burn another Dimension. Limbo just puts you out of this dimension, then you can throw your fireballs all day to no effect xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Date_Terumune Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Volt, nothing can run without energy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texrei Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 How was Antimatter Drop changed? I missed this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Cwellann Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 (edited) It's why nukes in space are pointless (Except in movies) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_electromagnetic_pulse Also, pair annihilation results in near 100% conversion to gamma. Wavelength/frequency are dependent on mass of the annihilated pair per E=hf. Edit: Also, fusion bombs require kinetic energy high enough to force the atoms together despite the coulomb barrier, i.e. it's gotta be REALLY hot, i.e. you need to use a fission bomb as the detonator, and fission bombs require critical mass and a certain neutron density. Antimatter needs to... touch matter - slightly less of a process XD Edited January 7, 2016 by (PS4)Cwellann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)CommanderC2121 Posted January 7, 2016 Author Share Posted January 7, 2016 Volt, nothing can run without energy. Unless you control your own dimension Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swailwort Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 As for the anti matter-matter debate: Effectively what happens is when anti matter and traditional matter interact, their opposite wave patterns will cancel each other out. What this does is releases the trapped energy from the Higgs field, thereby converting all the matter to pure gamma length photons. Technically, the same principle of nuclear bomb (converting 100% of matter into energy vs minisucle percentage found in most A and H bombs) but with perfect efficiency. The reason we dont see matter exploding everywhere is because, for some unknown reason, Anti matter is very rare. (I spend my free time studying Quantum Mechanics and Nuclear physics... Because Japanese nerd...) When the Universe was originated, there was an almost equal amount of matter and antimatter that started to collide between each other. Due to the small excess of Matter, it won the war. So we have a Matter universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Tenchi145 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Anyone mailed MatPat yet before I send in my request? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
321agemo Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 It really is between nova and limbo. I know someone suggested nyx but shes not going to survive nova antimatter annihilation or limbo different dimension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoirMortiOwl Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 It really is between nova and limbo. I know someone suggested nyx but shes not going to survive nova antimatter annihilation or limbo different dimension. Idk... Mind control could... Nyx their advantage! *ba dum tsk* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Onyxflamegod Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 But Ember can't burn another Dimension. Limbo just puts you out of this dimension, then you can throw your fireballs all day to no effect xD Actually, she can. I do it all the time. Warframe powers all bypass the rift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UndeadLichKing Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 It really is between nova and limbo. I know someone suggested nyx but shes not going to survive nova antimatter annihilation or limbo different dimension. If we apply just the concept of the frames to this rather than gameplay terms (like the OP said), Nyx can basically Mind Control everyone and kindly ask them all to kill themselves. Antimatter control and inter-dimensional travel don't mean jack if the users of such powers are dead. She doesn't even need to use her ultimate on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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