We need an Auction House..

[Pwincessbaby]

hey I don't want an auction house caus I know how they work in other games and they are always controlled by like a handful of neckbeards who farm endlessly and that is their whole game play, they don't even leave the auction house ever

at least with trade chat you have a chance to sell something without having to sit at an auction house all day relisting and undercutting

you can get a decent price too,  and if you sell cheap its not effecting 1000 other people... like in other games if someone drops the price by xxx .. you cant do anything after that point besides buy out their items or wait for their items to sell .. naaaaa I don't want that

its not good for the game either, they sell plat.. that's how they make money, they don't want a clan of Asian businessmen working around the clock monopolising their currency and devaluing it

 

[Strikerays]

 

guys guys, do not need to be an auction house , which can implement the Warframe market in the same game in the bazaar or something, I think that trade is itself active, but somewhat messy or long invested only in trade.

[X5934-078FR1]

Best auction house I have seen is in a game called Spiral Knights.

[(PSN)ArnnFrost]

What we need is an MMORPG Auction House.

 You place your item and the system displays a chart about minimum and maximum prices so you could price your item, If you are offline your order could be purchased with no negotiations and if you are online there will be a Negotiation button next to your item and after the purchase is done, the plats will be stored in your inventory automatically with a message that says so in the index. When you search for an item the Sort By option would be Lowest Price First by default to help buyers to get the cheapest and the sellers to sell faster. 

Unfortunately almost all of the traders we have will disagree with all this because lets be honest... the whole business is just a scam, I mean Come On!

[Marvelous_A]

If you want to get rid of scammer completely, just remove the whole trade function and let the market sell all sort of things. That's how China Warframe does it. Trading is part of the game, and it's not THAT difficult to check the price if you're willing to spend a little time. I seldom negotiate with buyers or sellers, I state my offer clearly in the channel, if you like it, you take it; otherwise just go away and bother someone else. Works fine to me.

[--RV--LadySpiderwick]

10 hours ago, ToxicTroublermaker said:

You are entitled to that opinion even if the opinion is wrong.

 

You can't regulate a free market and shouldn't as that kills the idea of it being a place of freedom. Just because you want to only pay a certain amount for an item doesn't mean everyone else should be forced to as well. You will find someone selling at that price sooner or later and everybody else can still sell at their own price they want. Its already a win win scenario that doesn't need further "fixing"

On the contrary I feel like the market needs some form of regulating. Fact, I saw someone selling Ember prime at 1500 platinum. Now unless everyones a rich kid who can buy as much as their heart pleases that's a (bleep) ridiculous price just for a frame. Around $60-70 in real money for ONE frame. Now tell me, do you think that the market doesn't need fixing if people are allowed to be able to sell a single prime frame for that? For that price, someone could get 2-5 prime sets. 

10 hours ago, Lucernam said:

Wait... so 600 for Frost Prime was too much? Oh dear... I think I may have spent more than I had to.

Guess I'm just the type who likes to spend their platinum wisely since I don't purchase platinum as much as I used to because I have other financial things to worry about. Even if he's vaulted 600 plat is overpriced for me.

[Strikerays]

15 hours ago, Lucernam said:

Wait... so 600 for Frost Prime was too much? Oh dear... I think I may have spent more than I had to.

some sell over 400 and other over 700..

That 's what a I mean, 

no conclusive or accurate in price and you may end up shortchanging yourself .

[SilentMobius]

17 hours ago, ToxicTroublermaker said:

You are entitled to that opinion even if the opinion is wrong.

 

You can't regulate a free market and shouldn't as that kills the idea of it being a place of freedom. Just because you want to only pay a certain amount for an item doesn't mean everyone else should be forced to as well. You will find someone selling at that price sooner or later and everybody else can still sell at their own price they want. Its already a win win scenario that doesn't need further "fixing"

You can an should regulate the market, not the pricing mind you. If it were me I'd have the following:

• Players can buy a listed item by paying current tax and price.
• Players can list a buy order by pre-paying the tax (that they don't get back if the order is not fulfilled)
• Players can fulfill a buy orders for the usual credit tax. Or list a sale by prepaying the tax (which they don't get back if it doesn't sell)
• Any item in a buy order or sale offer takes up a trading slot every day until complete or retracted.
• Players can see the minute, hour, day and month trends for previous sales
• Anything acquired from this system except platinum is marked as untradable 
• Using the interface would be done from the clan trading terminal or the bazaar 

The above would allow sensible, low-friction trading without enabling market manipulation or arbitrage. Prices would settle according to availability and demand, with ducat conversion as the bottom end sink.

 

 

 

[TARINunit9]

51 minutes ago, Ellthan said:

I bet, every single person that opposes an auction house only does so, so they can gouge new players for free platinum.

No, it's because of the stigma that Diablo 3 gave auction houses. It's going to be DECADES before players the world over trust auction houses again

[Lucernam]

@LittleArachnid @Strikerays

I did do some research, 600 was all anyone was offering. I wasn't flying off the handle. I couldn't find anyone else willing to sell lower, even though a guide I found recommended 400.

[friendofvampires]

Ok, let me talk a second as a buyer and rare seller. If I'm going to buy something, it's because I went to farm it and couldn't get it in a reasonable timeframe. So, User Experience here, I go to trade chat and post something like "WTB X 75p". Now I wait the (2?) minutes to either post again or get a response. Repeat until i actually get a seller to sell to me. The same goes for selling, post, wait, repeat. Now someone could be selling what i want, but oh darn, he's trying to farm something! So I give up an hour in and then this prospective seller comes on and can't find a buyer, no there's no sale at all and EVERYONE loses out.

warframe.market is a start, but if it's so great, why can't we have that IN GAME? Having an external window just so i can buy/sell an item in the game is just poor design. I want to play the game, not spend an hour waiting to get that one mod I need for my new thing to play the game.

All the "auction house" needs to do is match a buyer and a seller in a fast and intuitive way so everyone can actually play the game instead of playing "trade simulator 2016, extra salt edition"

[(PSN)K_4-far]

 

 

I am obviously happy with it as it is but... it's still inefficient when it comes to selling many things in short time.

Edited May 6, 2016 by (PS4)K_4-far

[(PSN)H3x3wahn]

I think what most people want an auction house for is to be able to drop an item, forget about it and eventually get some easy, albeit lower, platinum revenue. Let's be honest, we all want platinum, but not every prime item is going to sell well. What I would personnally like is to be able to sell prime stuff at a kiosk, just like the ducat kiosk and receive a fixed amount of platinum, which could be 1/10th of what that part is worth in ducats. But I guess the ability to generate platinum from void would be a big turn off for DE.

[K4nzler]

ok. I know, i know.
it would be fantastic to have a AH in Warframe.
BUT(!) .. i like it how it is. It has its own charm.
Its like the wild west, Huge and Uncontrolled and full of douchebags.
But thats okay. Sometimes, I can be the douchbag too and sell crap for reeeaaaaally high plat prices to lazy idiots Less informed Players.
On the other hand i was screwed alot , especially when i was a little nooblet.

 

[(PSN)Magician_NG]

On ‎05‎/‎03‎/‎2016 at 4:17 PM, Strikerays said:

And others who they think ?.

I don't agree. 

Warframe doesn't need an auction house. 

I'd prefer a player shop.  Since Steve mentioned the potential for other tenno to visit each others liset in the future I'd like an area of the liset to be a store front.  Something that DE could charge us plat for in order to furnish and customize it.  A place to display a few things for sale while we're afk.  Charge the players a credit fee to display things for say...24 hours.  Want more space to display things to sell?  Spend more plat, tenno.  I'd prefer that over an auction house, but that's me.

Edited May 6, 2016 by (PS4)Magician_NG

[DxAdder]

On 5/4/2016 at 6:07 PM, Zari2015 said:

WE have already an auction house but people can't live with this idea.

For the unwanted and much wanted auction house use https://warframe.market/

So yes an auction house right now in the game will be 100% legit.

Sooner or later that site will be the auction house knew by everyone.

This is the best solution out there right now.

Login to your account, look for what you want and message someone that is online that is selling it for the price you can afford.

It's simple, prices are ALWAYS lower than trade chat and you don't have to look at a wall of spam.

 

 

[TARINunit9]

3 hours ago, Ellthan said:

Yea... right.

It's not like multiple MMOs employ auction houses perfectly fine today.

Definently nonono, nobody has tried an auction house since diablo yep.

 

The entire concept accross the glove was ruined by one game, that's definently not a cheap excuse for traders to scam newcommers.

It's not that nobody has tried auction houses since Diablo 3. It's that nobody has tried auction houses SUCCESSFULLY since Diablo 3. And I highly doubt anyone will be able to before the year 2020 rolls around

Diablo 3 was just THAT FREAKIN' MASSIVE. SO MANY PEOPLE got burned from it, and hundreds of news outlets were all over it. The controversy was EVERYWHERE

Edited May 6, 2016 by TARINunit9

[Zari2015]

4 hours ago, DxAdder said:

On 5/4/2016 at 1:07 AM, Zari2015 said:

WE have already an auction house but people can't live with this idea.

For the unwanted and much wanted auction house use https://warframe.market/

So yes an auction house right now in the game will be 100% legit.

Sooner or later that site will be the auction house knew by everyone.

This is the best solution out there right now.

Login to your account, look for what you want and message someone that is online that is selling it for the price you can afford.

It's simple, prices are ALWAYS lower than trade chat and you don't have to look at a wall of spam.

Uhh... This is +1 post?

Sorry my native language is not english.

I think you are a reminder for people who don't want an auction house but we already have one.

2 hours ago, TARINunit9 said:

Diablo 3 was just THAT FREAKIN' MASSIVE. SO MANY PEOPLE got burned from it, and hundreds of news outlets were all over it. The controversy was EVERYWHERE

There was something else.

Convert virtual currency into real money and there was some Financial banking regulation (or something like that) so they have to shut down the auction house.

Warframe does the contrary, real money to virtual currency.

Edited May 6, 2016 by Zari2015

[Nynjafox]

I'd hate to bring up WoW here, but I like the way they did their tokens.  As someone said, there isn't all that many things to sell, so we don't need a full auction house.  What if everything was set up in a supply/demand system?  You decide what you want to sell, the game tells you how much it is currently worth, and you put it up. When it sells, you get the amount you decided to sell it at. 

If you are buying a mod then you type it in and the game tells you how much it costs. If it is too much, you can take the chance to wait and hope the supply increases to push the price down. 

Depending upon the supply and demand,  the price could fluctuate so you decide when the best time to put the item up for sale. Once everyone has their items in, everything is in a pool and gets sold first come, first serve.

[DxAdder]

Will we ever see an Auction House ? No 

Do we need something better than a wall of spam ? Yes

I would like to see something Like warframe.market where sellers can list there items for sale by same item and buyers can look for what they want 

in an auction house style interface and buy it. No going to a dojo to do the trade. You click the item, it gets transferred to you and the seller gets his plat.

I would institute a 15 minute hold, once an item is listed you have to leave it up for the price offered for 15 minutes minimum.

The Trade chat has to go, it's a disaster.

 

 

[(PSN)ElZilcho]

On 5/5/2016 at 3:44 AM, LittleArachnid said:

Fact, I saw someone selling Ember prime at 1500 platinum.

You didn't see them selling anything. You saw them trying to sell it. Unless you were watching a stream and saw the actual trade occur, all you actually saw was an advertisement. If you saw it more than once, you can safely assume the item wasn't being sold at that price.

[ToxicTroublermaker]

On 5/5/2016 at 8:52 AM, SilentMobius said:

You can an should regulate the market, not the pricing mind you. If it were me I'd have the following:

• Players can buy a listed item by paying current tax and price.
• Players can list a buy order by pre-paying the tax (that they don't get back if the order is not fulfilled)
• Players can fulfill a buy orders for the usual credit tax. Or list a sale by prepaying the tax (which they don't get back if it doesn't sell)
• Any item in a buy order or sale offer takes up a trading slot every day until complete or retracted.
• Players can see the minute, hour, day and month trends for previous sales
• Anything acquired from this system except platinum is marked as untradable 
• Using the interface would be done from the clan trading terminal or the bazaar 

The above would allow sensible, low-friction trading without enabling market manipulation or arbitrage. Prices would settle according to availability and demand, with ducat conversion as the bottom end sink.

You say not to regulate the pricing yet thats exactly what this system you suggest is doing. Indirectly mind you but still regulation nonetheless.

You also seem to be forgetting the whole "trade" part of the trading system. We WANT to keep item to item transactions, not forgo them in favor of making Platinum the only way we can make and kind of deal or trade.

 

And btw what you are suggesting is a socialistic system with the devs directly manipulating transactions and pricing and such. We really REALLY don't wanna go down that road.

On 5/5/2016 at 1:44 AM, LittleArachnid said:

On the contrary I feel like the market needs some form of regulating. Fact, I saw someone selling Ember prime at 1500 platinum. Now unless everyones a rich kid who can buy as much as their heart pleases that's a (bleep) ridiculous price just for a frame. Around $60-70 in real money for ONE frame. Now tell me, do you think that the market doesn't need fixing if people are allowed to be able to sell a single prime frame for that? For that price, someone could get 2-5 prime sets. 

Again with the bloody regulation..... This isnt a socialistic economy mate, its a capitalist one with an actual free market. No one is forcing you to buy at someones price and besides that, as mentioned above, they were advertising for that price. It doesnt mean they actually sold it. Sure maybe someone did buy it at that price. Are they upset about it? Hell no, they got exactly what they paid for for the price they WILLINGLY paid.

 

You may not agree with wanting a free market where everyone decides their own prices without a regulating middleman but the majority of us like our freedom.

 

Welcome to Capitalism.

[(PSN)lupowolfen]

We don't need an auction house.

 

It will ruin trading for traders.  

It will hurt DE's profit margins.

It will take the fun out trading and finding a good deal for buyers.

 

We don't need an auction house.

Edited May 7, 2016 by (PS4)lupowolfen

[--RV--LadySpiderwick]

4 hours ago, (PS4)ElZilcho said:

You didn't see them selling anything. You saw them trying to sell it. Unless you were watching a stream and saw the actual trade occur, all you actually saw was an advertisement. If you saw it more than once, you can safely assume the item wasn't being sold at that price.

I do feel like there needs to be a limit on the price (e.g. you can't sell/advertise item over 'x' platinum) for things like prime frames and weapons when advertising to sell or actual sell price. People can tend to overprice the actual value of a frame, in regards to vaulted primes 450-600 does sound like a reasonable price for platinum trade because they cannot be obtained in the game. Regulating the trade chat to an extent of trying to prevent less overpricing on the value of sets is a reasonable thing, and, trading would still yield profit but not over-profiting or exploiting players that don't know the true value of a prime set, prisma weapon, mod etc.

[(PSN)ElZilcho]

1 hour ago, LittleArachnid said:

I do feel like there needs to be a limit on the price (e.g. you can't sell/advertise item over 'x' platinum) for things like prime frames and weapons when advertising to sell or actual sell price. People can tend to overprice the actual value of a frame, in regards to vaulted primes 450-600 does sound like a reasonable price for platinum trade because they cannot be obtained in the game. Regulating the trade chat to an extent of trying to prevent less overpricing on the value of sets is a reasonable thing, and, trading would still yield profit but not over-profiting or exploiting players that don't know the true value of a prime set, prisma weapon, mod etc.

Your feelings have no business influencing trades you aren't part of.