Glaive weapons issues after U18

[Icebreccer]

So I decided to make a "good" video of the current issues of the Glaive weapons after the U18. Before U18 Glaive weapons were really enjoyable to use and there weren't anything really wrong about them. They had decent utility and damage and were somewhat "niche" weapons back then (because the damage being decent isn't that good the more end-game you go).

I used the Kestrel as an example in this video:

 

Glaive weapons are already a niche and they require lots of mandatory mods to make full use of them. Now thanks to the U18 clumsiness I have to install yet another mandatory mod, the Fury in order to make the weapon at least a bit more bearable to use. I'm only asking that their thrown mechanic would be brought back to their pre-U18 state to make them comfortable and enjoyable to use. For me the awkward diagonal throw and the headache camera shake ruin all the fun. I could live with the clumsy initial melee swing if the throw itself would be reverted.

 

[ashrah]

i am very annoyed why DE change trow animation.... i stop use it totally cz of that

[(PSN)xKAIOWAx]

Same here =(

[Lord_of_Lords]

Good vid.  I'm glad someone went through the trouble to raise awareness for this annoyance.

The change that affected what side of the frame appears to have worked on bows too.  For bows, if you do a quick spin right before you hip-fire, it's like the old system.  I doubt that this will work for thrown weapons though since they have an immobilizing animation.

[Icebreccer]

I'd like to note that I used Gleaming Talon in the video. For example the forward stepping is even worse with the Astral Twilight.

That remind me that one solution could be a new stance mod for the Glaives which gives back the old throwing style. A stance focused on the throwing mechanic.

Edited May 14, 2016 by Judqment8

[DSpite]

The Glaive was my go-to weapon for everything, and I only switched to another primary/secondary because of situational conditions, and the shakes/delay/etc kind of put me off playing my Excalibur account at all.

There is seriously ZERO reasons for the thrown weapons to have this excess baggage attached, considering how niche they already are. This really needs another look at.

I don't care about Glaive weapons "buffs", but unless they are re-streamlined in their use, they keep becoming harder and harder to use with updates.

[Icebreccer]

On 5/14/2016 at 2:29 AM, DSpite said:

I don't care about Glaive weapons "buffs", but unless they are re-streamlined in their use, they keep becoming harder and harder to use with updates.

This so much. I have still hopes for U19, but I don't want to see myself stuck with this throwing headache for the rest of the year. So please DE, give us something.

[Monohai]

Still hoping out hope DE would take another look at Glaive-type weapons, I miss using my glaive prime without it flying off in another direction.

[CY13ERPUNK]

+99999999999999999999999999999 OP

it breaks my heart every time they screw the throwing melee up again and again, we just got it fixed and now the same problems as before are back =[

[SempaiMint]

I seriously want a glaive mechanic that was on par with dark sector :c

increasing the hit box for glaives would be nice, and a war frame with a glaive mechanic as a 4 would be cool too. I just want to go into a game with just a glaive and destroy people, maybe glaives could work off of power strength haha just a thought

omg just watched your video I want that back so bad again :C can't the weapon just come back and not fly around everywhere and can it do damage and just instantly be throw or just make it into a secondary! I just want to use it!!!

 

Edited May 26, 2016 by SempaiMint

[Icebreccer]

Another hotfix and nothing for Glaives. We still have U19 coming and all, but getting a word from a dev would warm my tiny heart. There are still people who care about the Glaives and are desperate to use them again.

Remember Dark Sector DE. Isn't it supposed to be the "spiritual predecessor" for Warframe? Well I personally really liked that game for one reason: It had an amazing Glaive and was pretty much the only thing I used in the game.

[Distruco22]

I want my glaive to be fixed :<

[HalfDarkShadow]

I hope they re-look at throwing weapons soon!~

My most used weapon(s) currently is the Glaive Prime, following behind Cerata. (I don't use the Glaive Prime anymore due to my love for the Cerata).

 

Speaking of which, a bit off the main discussion, but something minor a while back that made me go "aw c'mon! show the throwing weapons some love!" was when they released the Cerata without a Tenno Reinforcements video to accompany it. I only thought that because the updates prior and after as well all had video's showcasing the weapon being released that week, hence the "that's a bummer :c" feeling I was getting lol xD

They just haaad to skip that week .___.
lol I'm only kidding, it's really not a big deal, just some thoughts worth sharing ;P

Edited June 2, 2016 by HalfDarkShadow

[Nikkytae]

never used glaives pre u18, but its clearly better if its throwable as the first charge attack instead of doing one attack then a throw

 

[TotallyLagging]

Indeed, glaives and Mios' charge attacks were actually useful back then.

 

Now they're just a pain in the bum to use. I don't even use glaives anymore because of this. And while I still like using the Mios, the hook was an actually useful ranged option back then. 

[Hidrio]

being slower dont rly bother me much, but all the others do...

just a tip for the forward step, you can crunch with V soo u dont step forward, but still annoying...

[ErlKoeng]

Please DE, fix charge throw, slash before throwing is frustrating. Why do I have to swing at empty air if I want to throw glaive at enemy far away?

Mios and redeemer could also benefit from fast charge attacks, not that these OP or anything anyway.
 

[Icebreccer]

32 minutes ago, ErlKoeng said:

Mios and redeemer could also benefit from fast charge attacks, not that these OP or anything anyway.
 

Wait what? While I agree that the initial weapon slice should be fixed for Redeemer, but it's one of the highest damaging "melee weapons" in the game. It's so far ahead of the Glaive weapons currently. It deals craptons of damage, charges fast, has innate punch through AND can combo shots. Not to mention the low recoil for a shotgun melee compared to the headache tremors of the Glaives currently.

I still don't get why DE has to stomp Glaives into the ground. They were niche back then, but at least the actual users were happy with them. Makes me sad ;_;

[Bibliothekar]

Haven't played for a while now for various reasons *cough*Overwatch*cough*, but seeing that one of my favourite melee weapons has become almost unusable makes me sad. And a bit less inclined to come back to Warframe ...

[Burnthesteak87]

WE WANT GLAIVE BACK!

To be precise, Standard, Prime, Cerata, with a Damage on par with high tier weapons!

• Increased range before it comes back;
• flight speed faster close with a decrease in speed while reaching the farest point;
• fight speed faster when recalled back;
• ricocheting auto targeting ala SlashDash or Freeze;
• forced Slash proc on throw ala Mios;
• native punch through;
• etc.

Also we want Alt Fire Key to call back the Glaive while midair!

:<

PS: I would live with the showcased bugs, if the weapon would at least have a decent Damage.

Edited June 17, 2016 by Burnthesteak87

[Bibliothekar]

7 hours ago, Burnthesteak87 said:

PS: I would live with the showcased bugs, if the weapon would at least have a decent Damage.

At least the step forward each time you throw should be removed again. I'd even go a bit further and ask that any stance doesn't involve leg movement that changes the character's position.

[Icebreccer]

Maybe in Specters of the Rail we get some Glaive love?

[TaylorsContraction]

Why not bind throw to alt fire, then you don't have the clunky throw mechanic mixed with charging and melee. Win win, when holding alt fire you just throw.

[Bibliothekar]

Oi, stop making sense around here! We can't have such a ridiculously easy solution to that problem.

[Lactamid]

As someone who almost only use the quick melee throw I would propose that there could be another key linked to throwing instantly, but then again console players would have trouble doing that, so perhaps either a key-combo or changing the code to hold a bit on the first swing in order for a charge would be better?

1: Dedicated button = throw instantly
2: "Button" + melee = throw instantly
3: Hold Quick melee down for charging the throw - release quickly for close range melee swing, hold for throwing.
* The first swing will be delayed a bit to see if the player holds down the melee button longer than the "tap" needed to do the close range attack.

** This will let you charge without the annoying pre-swing, but may possibly make it harder to do close range attacks quickly, especially if the charge time of the throw is brought down from fury or other speed increasing mods.
Still, you use ranged melee for the ranged attacks, not the other way around, priority should be ranged attacks.