Synergy [OOC, rules, questions, and miscellany]

[-Platinum-]

3 hours ago, Rakawan said:

Your character and his are in the same tavern.

Im a bit confused, Zaeed is at the Bar, with Sam

[(XBOX)chillichillman]

2 minutes ago, -Platinum- said:

Im a bit confused, Zaeed is at the Bar, with Sam

And thus, the bar is a tavern. Or a pub. 

[-Platinum-]

1 minute ago, (XB1)chillichillman said:

And thus, the bar is a tavern. Or a pub. 

OH

[-Platinum-]

Who is Cyrrian?

[-Platinum-]

Wjhy are we all stuck on OOC topic?

[(XBOX)chillichillman]

15 minutes ago, -Platinum- said:

Wjhy are we all stuck on OOC topic?

Wat mean you?

[CelestialSabre]

Can someone explain the Warframe lore to me please?

[(XBOX)chillichillman]

3 minutes ago, CelestialSabre said:

Can someone explain the Warframe lore to me please?

Ya woke up, now kill everything.

[CelestialSabre]

Just now, (XB1)chillichillman said:

Ya woke up, now kill everything.

XD 

[(XBOX)chillichillman]

3 minutes ago, CelestialSabre said:

Can someone explain the Warframe lore to me please?

ON A SERIOUS NOTE,

there was an empire that rose, and unified the entire origin system: the orokin.  They were tyrants, and abducted children from the colonists to be turned into soldiers.  They then began to send these children into a newly found void, killing most of them, and using the ones that survived as weapons.  Those weapons were found to be easily linked to Warframes, most of them sentient back then, and so they did.  Then the sentients were defeated, and then the tenno moved to the orokin, who were to recognize the power of the tenno.  The tenno killed them all, save a few handful, including the stalker.  Then the tenno ran, most being put into cryo-sleep, the others, well, they died.  Or aged to be really old people.  Then you woke up.  And were told to kill everything that was not friendly.  And so you did.

[CelestialSabre]

11 minutes ago, (XB1)chillichillman said:

ON A SERIOUS NOTE,

there was an empire that rose, and unified the entire origin system: the orokin.  They were tyrants, and abducted children from the colonists to be turned into soldiers.  They then began to send these children into a newly found void, killing most of them, and using the ones that survived as weapons.  Those weapons were found to be easily linked to Warframes, most of them sentient back then, and so they did.  Then the sentients were defeated, and then the tenno moved to the orokin, who were to recognize the power of the tenno.  The tenno killed them all, save a few handful, including the stalker.  Then the tenno ran, most being put into cryo-sleep, the others, well, they died.  Or aged to be really old people.  Then you woke up.  And were told to kill everything that was not friendly.  And so you did.

I see

[Circle_of_Psi]

Hay Guys

 

Legion here, there seems to be a issue on -Plats- Side atm, "too meny log in fails" or so, I am unsure when he will return, but if it truns out to be a huge issue, I will take over.

[Rakawan]

14 hours ago, (XB1)chillichillman said:

ON A SERIOUS NOTE,

there was an empire that rose, and unified the entire origin system: the orokin.  They were tyrants, and abducted children from the colonists to be turned into soldiers.  They then began to send these children into a newly found void, killing most of them, and using the ones that survived as weapons.  Those weapons were found to be easily linked to Warframes, most of them sentient back then, and so they did.  Then the sentients were defeated, and then the tenno moved to the orokin, who were to recognize the power of the tenno.  The tenno killed them all, save a few handful, including the stalker.  Then the tenno ran, most being put into cryo-sleep, the others, well, they died.  Or aged to be really old people.  Then you woke up.  And were told to kill everything that was not friendly.  And so you did.

There is very little lore to suggest any sentience in the frames themselves. There are specufucally referred to as golems and surrogate bodies.

[(XBOX)chillichillman]

Just now, Rakawan said:

There is very little lore to suggest any sentience in the frames themselves. There are specufucally referred to as golems and surrogate bodies.

Eh, just a quick run-down.  Easier to just chalk it up to "Most of them were sentient" to something in depth explaining the purpose and sentience of each one, given that there were some who were dormant suits.  

Rhino prime's codex entry dictates a sentient rhino, Valkyr 1 was sentient, excal was not, IF you're taking in darksector.

[Rakawan]

3 minutes ago, (XB1)chillichillman said:

Eh, just a quick run-down.  Easier to just chalk it up to "Most of them were sentient" to something in depth explaining the purpose and sentience of each one, given that there were some who were dormant suits.  

Rhino prime's codex entry dictates a sentient rhino, Valkyr 1 was sentient, excal was not, IF you're taking in darksector.

Rhino's entry indicates a being with rhino's power. We have no surety it is the warframe. 

Valky was armor linked to a Tenno.

 

They are specifically referred to as suits as well. It could be their creation involved using DNA or aspects if sebtuent beings but we cannot be sure the warfranes themselves where sentient. 

Nir do I believe the Tenno would use warfranes in mass numbers if they were sentient. It seems more likely that the frames where advanced armors, not living beings.

[(XBOX)chillichillman]

4 minutes ago, Rakawan said:

Rhino's entry indicates a being with rhino's power. We have no surety it is the warframe. 

Valky was armor linked to a Tenno.

 

They are specifically referred to as suits as well. It could be their creation involved using DNA or aspects if sebtuent beings but we cannot be sure the warfranes themselves where sentient. 

Nir do I believe the Tenno would use warfranes in mass numbers if they were sentient. It seems more likely that the frames where advanced armors, not living beings.

Well, looks like this is happening.

Valkyr herself went insane: it is entirely possible that the golems inside the suit could've operated on their own, hence when the original Valkyr was skinned, she went crazy.  Rhino prime's codex depicts either the rhino prime itself, or the golem that is inside of it.  SO, while the frame itself may not be sentient, there is something living inside of it.  Let's just hope that its a golem, and not a person in a suit, cause then it would be weird.  The ORIGINAL frames held sentiency, while others might've been suits.  The mass produced frames did not have golems, and thus, were mass produced.

[Rakawan]

Just now, (XB1)chillichillman said:

Well, looks like this is happening.

Valkyr herself went insane: it is entirely possible that the golems inside the suit could've operated on their own, hence when the original Valkyr was skinned, she went crazy.  Rhino prime's codex depicts either the rhino prime itself, or the golem that is inside of it.  SO, while the frame itself may not be sentient, there is something living inside of it.  Let's just hope that its a golem, and not a person in a suit, cause then it would be weird.  The ORIGINAL frames held sentiency, while others might've been suits.  The mass produced frames did not have golems, and thus, were mass produced.

Again we do not know that the frames were sentient. Nor does it make sense to make them sentient, given their usage as weapons. Valkyr went insane because the Tenno inhabiting her felt her pain.

There is no evidence that frames are fully sentient, that is aware of their own existence. Otherwise we would have seen them acting independent multiple times. There is only one instance and that was under circumstances that provide no evidence either way.

The frames being "alive" does not mean they are sentient. A sentient frame would be able to communicate and we see no evidence if this. Additionally it makes little sense for the Orokin to continue using Tenno if they could simply use Sentient frames.

As I said before Rhino Prime enters depicts creature using Rhino-like abilities. However it also states that it has a mouth, and uses it to eat, something the warframes do not seem to have or do.

The warframe themselves are refffered to as surrogate bodies. If someone made a body meant to be inhabited by a mind they would not make the body sentient. Otherwise you are trying to push two minds into one body and that invites conflict which is not conductive to an efficient weapon.

[(XBOX)chillichillman]

21 minutes ago, Rakawan said:

 

There is no evidence that frames are fully sentient, that is aware of their own existence. Otherwise we would have seen them acting independent multiple times. There is only one instance and that was under circumstances that provide no evidence either way.

The warframe themselves are refffered to as surrogate bodies. If someone made a body meant to be inhabited by a mind they would not make the body sentient. Otherwise you are trying to push two minds into one body and that invites conflict which is not conductive to an efficient weapon.

--Second dream quest, the ending, titania quest, the ending.  

Spoiler

Both of them had a warframe acting on its own; ours was significantly less impressive, probably only moved because of the close proximity to the operator.  However, Titania moved on its own, not in any close proximity to the operator, in a very impressive display.  While this does not prove that warframes are any more than simple pets, it does prove they can hold sentience.

--Transference glitches.  Occasionally your screen will go fuzzy, and a tenno message will appear.  this is transference slipping ever so slightly.  Keep in ind that the frames we use now are no more sentient than a flower.  Living, able to learn, but very unlikely to.

[Teloch]

5 minutes ago, (XB1)chillichillman said:

Living, able to learn, but very unlikely to.

We know nothing about them atm. Nearly nothing.

[(XBOX)chillichillman]

Just now, Teloch said:

We know nothing about them atm. Nearly nothing.

Well, we know that they bleed and breath, so they are organic and living.  We know that they are made from a dormant strain of infested, so there's that.  We know that they can look sexy AF, which is the most important thing.

[Rakawan]

2 minutes ago, (XB1)chillichillman said:

--Second dream quest, the ending, titania quest, the ending.  

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Both of them had a warframe acting on its own; ours was significantly less impressive, probably only moved because of the close proximity to the operator.  However, Titania moved on its own, not in any close proximity to the operator, in a very impressive display.  While this does not prove that warframes are any more than simple pets, it does prove they can hold sentience.

--Transference glitches.  Occasionally your screen will go fuzzy, and a tenno message will appear.  this is transference slipping ever so slightly.  Keep in ind that the frames we use now are no more sentient than a flower.  Living, able to learn, but very unlikely to.

Titania quest involved specters, which are almost like robotic warframe with limited AI. They are part of an automatic defense system for the grove. 

That image is the transference link disconnected and re syncing. It also specifically references a battle-platform. Platform is used to refer to mechanical weapons, not living, sentient beings.

Thry include organic components. We can clone organs and keep them functional with science. The organ may be "alive" but it is not sentient. 

And again it makes no sense to craft something for the purpose of being remote controlled and giving it it's own mind.

Think the Avatar's in Avatar. While technically alive they are not sentient. Whatever brain they have functions just enough to keep the body running. They do not posses a personality not are they "sentient."

[(XBOX)chillichillman]

All of what we've said really should be in a thread that discusses the possible sentience of warframes, not in an OOC.  but, ya now.  Lazyness.  

........clem.

[Rakawan]

Addionally the correct definition of sentient is able to feel or perceive things. 

The accepted meaning is that it can react to these things and act intelligently.

While the warfranes are technically sentient, they are not their beings. 

There is nothing showing the warframes having their own personalities, or their own opinions on things. 

So it is highly unlikely that they where sentient in the manner that you portray Omega as.

Edited October 28, 2016 by Rakawan

[(XBOX)chillichillman]

Just now, Rakawan said:

Addionally the correct definition of sentient is able to feel or perceive things. 

The accepted meaning is that it can react to these things it act intelligently.

While the warfranes are technically sentient, they are not their beings. 

There is nothing showing the warframes having their own personalities, or their own opinions on things. 

So it is highly unlikely that they where sentient in the manner that you portray Omega as.

But you see, the warframes' idle animations reflect some personality, although it is most likely of the first warframe of that kind.  

And don't you ditch on Omega; I have a whole lore explaining why he is sentient.   It involves organic A.I.s, and death.

[Rakawan]

Just now, (XB1)chillichillman said:

But you see, the warframes' idle animations reflect some personality, although it is most likely of the first warframe of that kind.  

And don't you ditch on Omega; I have a whole lore explaining why he is sentient.   It involves organic A.I.s, and death.

Animations that are set. They do the same animation every time. It could easily be an uploaded routine or the operator expressing themselves. 

Omega's works but there is no support for, nor reason to, have sentient warframes. It is counter intuitive for a weapon. It could fight the operator's control at vital moments and provides no benefit that would be worth that.