Kethus Posted June 26, 2016 Posted June 26, 2016 2 minutes ago, DiosGX said: Why do warframes beside Inarnos not eat food cuz I'm tired of these mythological robot suits not properly portraying real life ::vomits all internal organs:: Proto Rhino Prime was also stuffing flesh in his mouth according to his codex entry. I'm pretty sure most warframes would have functional mouths beneath their helmet.
Laszlok Posted June 26, 2016 Posted June 26, 2016 Well, I was hoping to see more folks looking at this from a design point of view, but alas, too priceless an opportunity to moan about SJWs one more time. Personally, I think there are some cool aesthetics that could be achieved by making a warframe with a convex abdomen.
AdunSaveMe Posted June 26, 2016 Posted June 26, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, Visione said: what is this for fallacious argument? i happen to be a normal sized person, kinda skinny, do you think i feel special because i can play with all kinds of cool skinny frames? not really. what makes you assume fat people need fat frames to feel special? this is bigotry and discriminating. Because they insist on having their body type represented without regard to context or setting. I also didn't say they need fat frames to feel special. I said they SHOULDN'T need them. As in they shouldn't feel like it's a requirement for them to enjoy something. Don't just call everyone a bigot because they disagree with you. Pretty ironic. Edited June 26, 2016 by AdunSaveMe
Maicael Posted June 26, 2016 Posted June 26, 2016 @TheyreFood We've got some large frames with Atlas, Rhino, or Hydroid. If Hydroid isn't "plus size" or "tubby" enough(not to mention his jiggly bits), then what specific size are you looking to have? As I recall from a Devstream, even the size of Atlas's shoulders were giving them problems and pushing the limits. Many other issues have been pointed out already like visuals with animations/stances/cosmetics.
o.0- Posted June 26, 2016 Posted June 26, 2016 1 minute ago, AdunSaveMe said: Because they insist on having their body type represented without regard to context or setting. I also didn't say they need fat frames to feel special. I said they SHOULDN'T need them. As in they shouldn't feel like it's a requirement for them to enjoy something.
AdunSaveMe Posted June 26, 2016 Posted June 26, 2016 1 hour ago, TheyreFood said: 1. how? that makes no sense 2. it's not forced, there are a ton of ways this could fit with the theme of warframe, easy 3. it's not NEEDED it's just nice to see it in games --- again everytime someone replies against the idea they act like it is like "this has to happen now or riot!" thats not true, jsut at some point it would be cool I don't know about you, but if I was a highly trained super agile space ninja mutant magician thing, I'd probably burn off fat pretty quickly.
PikeOrShield Posted June 26, 2016 Posted June 26, 2016 It makes very little sense from a lore perspective. The examples you listed from other games have in universe reasons for being large. Overwatch's Roadhog probably eats a ton and works out a lot, but a Warframe is designed. Why would someone design a "plus size" Warframe? It would be slower and less flexible than an average frame, and it would be easier to notice and shoot. Maybe it's tons of armor, but we already know a frame, in universe, does not need a ton of armor to be tanky (Valkyr, Inaros). Adding this would lead to clipping, a larger hitbox, and less visibility on screen (since it is a third person game).
OmniLight Posted June 26, 2016 Posted June 26, 2016 1 minute ago, Laszlok said: Personally, I think there are some cool aesthetics that could be achieved by making a warframe with a convex abdomen. Honestly, it would be interesting to see some variable shapes in body morphology of the frames. The amount of work needed for some of them though might be rough for DE though. The previously mentioned Sumo idea was a nice idea though. I could see it maybe being barely able to wall run if at all but instead could have some unique movement ability. Hmmm.... you know it might work for an actual gravity based frame. Being able to control its own gravity would enable it to still wall run decently with necessary animation alterations while still being 'athletic' due to that. Plus then it also get rid of the notion that it needs to be 'slow'. And to compensate for the bigger hit box, give it a passive that alters the course of projectiles by a certain percent.
o.0- Posted June 26, 2016 Posted June 26, 2016 As a super space ninja, I'd simply worry 'bout 'me 'self and have any other conditions handled by supporting Tenno Operatives. Teshin and Conclave training may matter more than we realize with the Sentients on the horizon.
Goodwill Posted June 26, 2016 Posted June 26, 2016 (edited) I want my burly, athletic Warframe. No Excuses! Edited June 26, 2016 by Goodwill
Goodwill Posted June 26, 2016 Posted June 26, 2016 (edited) 9 minutes ago, (XB1)killmasterODST said: Because that's stupid. And so are you, same with anyone who agrees with you. Ninjas are not fat. I don't want tumblr and social justice turning this game and the community into a cesspool. Hate to break it to you, but ninjas also aren't wall running flipping spastic, energy charged humanoids either. A fat person could be a ninja simply off the fact he could disguise himself as a chef, poison his customer's food and cover it up. Edited June 26, 2016 by Goodwill
Heatnix. Posted June 26, 2016 Posted June 26, 2016 Because if you can build/create perfection you don't settle on imperfection for the sake of political correctess.
BritishBob Posted June 26, 2016 Posted June 26, 2016 19 minutes ago, TheyreFood said: this, exactly this, thank you Wel then, rhino, booben and frost. All bulk...
(XBOX)killmasterODST Posted June 26, 2016 Posted June 26, 2016 6 minutes ago, Goodwill said: Hate to break it to you, but ninjas also aren't wall running flipping spastic, energy charged humanoids either. A fat person could be a ninja simply off the fact he could disguise himself as a chef, poison his customer's food and cover it up. They had to be fast, nimble, lean, and not have a gravity that rivaled that of the sun. They had to be able to run five steps and not be panting like someone who ran a marathon.
Ryunokage Posted June 26, 2016 Posted June 26, 2016 As a health professional i'd like to weigh in on this and say that the idea of making obesity, by which i mean the medical definition of obesity a waist-hip ratio of 0.9 for men, 0.85 for women, is a terrible idea. There are serious health risks to morbidity and mortality outcomes to obesity above these levels that rapidly scale the further away from this ideal you reach. The least of which are cardiovascular, hepatic, vascular, respiratory, musculoskeletal, neurological, endocrinological and further complexities beside. The idea of allowing these people to feel comfortable, even good about their health and fitness removes one of the greatest drives available to propel them towards a healthy lifestyle. This not only causes problems in national health systems, particularly in universal healthcare models, where healthcare is paid for in full by the tax payer. Where a disproportional amount of money and resources are being spent on people who have what are essentially preventable health conditions. But also compounds the issues that health professionals face when treating people who are obese. Given the abundance of research and science into the effects of obesity in health, i cannot see any argument that obesity should ever be accepted or even tolerated.
KFC-KonyFriedChildren Posted June 26, 2016 Posted June 26, 2016 (edited) i am against promoting bad health i am not saying i that i don't tolerate plus size people i am just say i rather not have plus size being promoted since its like promoting health issue's Edited June 26, 2016 by KFC-KonyFriedChildren
PikeOrShield Posted June 26, 2016 Posted June 26, 2016 3 minutes ago, Goodwill said: Hate to break it to you, but ninjas also aren't wall running flipping spastic, energy charged humanoids either. A fat person could be a ninja simply off the fact he could disguise himself as a chef, poison his customer's food and cover it up. When people say "ninja" they more often then not mean the fantastical ones that can massacre armies with just a sword and some throwing knives while being unseen for the most part and vanishing afterwards, not the historical ones that disguised themselves as peasants and used repurposed farm tools for weapons. Warframes take after the fantastical type -> most fantastical ninjas are ripped and in peak physical condition -> Warframes are ripped and in peak physical condition.
Goodwill Posted June 26, 2016 Posted June 26, 2016 1 minute ago, (XB1)killmasterODST said: They had to be fast, nimble, lean, and not have a gravity that rivaled that of the sun. They had to be able to run five steps and not be panting like someone who ran a marathon. No, ninjas had to assassinate and espionage. As long as they could do that, it didn't matter what their build was.
arch111 Posted June 26, 2016 Posted June 26, 2016 Buddha frame. Panda frame. It can be done. Because it is a THEME game. Can a robot be large and still fast? After 4 Transformers movies, Titanfall and countless anime - I am surprised if someone still think so. These are biotechnolocal killing-drones, not people. Human flaws do not factor into a sci-fi game of augmented semi-humans millennia in the future where our petty squabbles would be a laughing matter.
NightBlitz Posted June 26, 2016 Posted June 26, 2016 3 minutes ago, Goodwill said: No, ninjas had to assassinate and espionage. As long as they could do that, it didn't matter what their build was. they went through years of harsh training that would make anyone lean and fit
BritishBob Posted June 26, 2016 Posted June 26, 2016 (edited) 2 minutes ago, arch111 said: Buddha frame. Panda frame. It can be done. Because it is a THEME game. Can a robot be large and still fast? After 4 Transformers movies, Titanfall and countless anime - I am surprised if someone still think so. These are biotechnolocal killing-drones, not people. Human flaws do not factor into a sci-fi game of augmented semi-humans millennia in the future where our petty squabbles would be a laughing matter. But if you were designing an interchangeable weapon system, you'd design it so that the user didn't have to adjust to a large number of changes, keeping within a certain set of parameters for both ease of use and mass manufacture for cross platform components. Edited June 26, 2016 by BritishBob
Goodwill Posted June 26, 2016 Posted June 26, 2016 1 minute ago, NightBlitz said: they went through years of harsh training that would make anyone lean and fit Surprisingly, initiates would go through said harsh training and initially may be lean and fit. But they would change their body build in order to better blend in with their environment. Who would expect the fat, potentially unfit guy to be the one standing over your lord's bed with a knife through his throat?
Goodwill Posted June 26, 2016 Posted June 26, 2016 (edited) Honestly, I'm just playing devil's advocate here because there are more people adamant in opposing "fat" Warframes than there are for. Personally, I'm fine with it "within reason". If it's justified by a design standpoint, and doesn't seem like it's thrown in for the sake of political correctness, I'm fine with it. Edited June 26, 2016 by Goodwill
PikeOrShield Posted June 26, 2016 Posted June 26, 2016 3 minutes ago, Goodwill said: Surprisingly, initiates would go through said harsh training and initially may be lean and fit. But they would change their body build in order to better blend in with their environment. Who would expect the fat, potentially unfit guy to be the one standing over your lord's bed with a knife through his throat? Seeing as being fat was a luxury until the past few hundred years, he'd stick out like a soar thumb. Also, where the heck are you getting your information about ninja initiates from?
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