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90p For 175,000

That's 5 whole US dollars you're asking for a measly 175k that a player can farm in under 3 runs.

At 1.75k it would cost $30 USD for a million credits. Time savers and conveniences stops being a convenience when it cost more than my lunch at work. Want people to purchase it? Make it worth it. Want people to try transfusion? People will impulse buy it to avoid farming credits when they need to craft, fuse, etc; but only if it's worth it. Tell me DE, Would any of you legit waste $5 on 175k credits?

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1 hour ago, Wolfnrun said:

Will we ever have the gamma colour pack again??? I would like that for the market rework

It would be very good. I would pay 75p for it.

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First impressions seems like a good direction. 

I'd like to be able to sort my 'searches' into things like high to low price etc too (like how Amazon etc does it)

Agree about credit packs... whenever I look at them I just think that's a really bad deal, especially when we normally have events on that are rewarding bonus money.  Maybe this could be a scaling item or something based around our MR (another use for that too), say MRx 100,000 credits.  New players would get less than old/long term players.

Bundles and to be honest 'visual' aesthetics could really do with being looked at from a pricing stand point.... no idea why a skin should cost as much or more than a full warframe. 

I think forma and orokin reactor/catalyst blueprints should be more readily available either for credits or have them drop easier... I haven't actually received one any since I started playing outside of the freebies you sometime throw out.  At the moment it does seem like to make 'an end game' warframe you have no option but to buy platinum.  Yes I know lots of you have loads but not all of us do.

I'd also like to see a way to buy clan item blueprints outside of a clan, not all of us are in clans, this could be as simple as adding it a rotation at davro's or the trader (albeit for credits rather than ducats)

Thinking about it, it would be nice to be able to exchange platinum/credits for ducats too... it's hard enough to get prime parts as it is now...

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Alternate helmets should also be cheaper imo. Why?

Well first of all, Immortal skins cost 40 platinum each, and (most) Syandanas cost 50 platinum each, and they give about as much cosmetic change as helmets do.
Second, you can alternatively acquire the helmet blueprints in random alerts, which should actually make their value smaller in itself.

The thing is, the helmets cost this much because they used to have stats on them, and this is also why they were in alerts. However, the stats have since been removed from market and alert helmets, but they still cost the same amount of platinum.

Alternate helmets should really cost like 40-50 platinum. At least, that's my opinion.

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2 hours ago, [DE]Taylor said:

Gold Fusion Pack: costs 80 Platinum in exchange for 15 Fusion Cores. 14 Cores are Guaranteed to be R5 Rare, with a very small chance at a Legendary Core for the 15th.** 

I would love this. Hope it makes it in game.

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1 hour ago, Dobermann92 said:

Everything is good, except this:

" Gold Fusion Pack: costs 80 Platinum in exchange for 15 Fusion Cores. 14 Cores are Guaranteed to be R5 Rare, with a very small chance at a Legendary Core for the 15th.** "

Those, who play for free know, that these packs aren't a great value no matter how low it will cost, but there are people who pay for the platinum and if they see one of their friends getting a Legendary core, then they buy a pack, and another and so on and they get just gold cores they will be very frustrated and It potentially drive away people from the game. I highly advise you not to implement this feature, just stay with the 15 gold cores.

I don't see how this thing would drive people away from the game that is a very childish mentaility tbh.

First off, you only buy this pack if you are either extremely lazy or incredibly rich and you buy it because you want "15 Rare Cores" that has a VERY SMALL chance to give a Legendary core. I don't see how you could go wrong on this one unless of course it is advertised as a "Rare Fusion core pack - Chance to get Legendary core with free 14 rare cores".

Srsly this is trivial it isn't something big.

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1 hour ago, Dobermann92 said:

Everything is good, except this:

" Gold Fusion Pack: costs 80 Platinum in exchange for 15 Fusion Cores. 14 Cores are Guaranteed to be R5 Rare, with a very small chance at a Legendary Core for the 15th.** "

Those, who play for free know, that these packs aren't a great value no matter how low it will cost, but there are people who pay for the platinum and if they see one of their friends getting a Legendary core, then they buy a pack, and another and so on and they get just gold cores they will be very frustrated and It potentially drive away people from the game. I highly advise you not to implement this feature, just stay with the 15 gold cores.

Gatcha systems like this are pretty common in F2P game. If they're going to leave because they're not getting what they want from a completely optional and randomized system; that's the player's problem, not DE's.

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RNG with IRL money is fine as long as the outcomes are within a reasonable price range. But even suggesting a chance at a legendary core in the gold fusion pack makes me hesitate. People are generally not smart with money, and this could cause some(even if only a few) to over spend and be upset about not getting "their legendary core". is it their fault for being irresponsible? yes. but its likewise a bit irresponsible to be an enabler of such a circumstance. 

Im not totally against it, but i advise caution here. Maybe make it a chance to get an extra 5ish cores (or something more reasonable than a legendary).

Or advertise the risk appropriately. (dont be like a casino)

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37 minutes ago, Sirabot said:

90p For 175,000

That's 5 whole US dollars you're asking for a measly 175k that a player can farm in under 3 runs.

At 1.75k it would cost $30 USD for a million credits. Time savers and conveniences stops being a convenience when it cost more than my lunch at work. Want people to purchase it? Make it worth it. Want people to try transfusion? People will impulse buy it to avoid farming credits when they need to craft, fuse, etc; but only if it's worth it. Tell me DE, Would any of you legit waste $5 on 175k credits?

People in this community have kinda spent more for things of even lesser value.

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2 hours ago, [DE]Taylor said:
  • We’re adding a 3 Forma pack for 35 Platinum.
  • A 30 Day Resource Booster will available for 200 Platinum.

The only suitable response to these is hngghhh.

However, you guys really need to just flat out remove the credit bundles.  They're a blatant ripoff.  If you all insist on keeping them, for those prices, you need to add at least one extra zero to each bundle.  But really, they should just be removed.  They're nothing but a blatant plat trap for newbies - something you all've been pretty good about staying away from (for example, removing the paid revives).  Do the right thing DE.

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How about a preview button that expands to show the item, instead of just having it there all the time?

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2 hours ago, [DE]Taylor said:

The Credit Bundles will be updated as follows:

  • Frugal Credit Bundle: costs 50 Platinum in exchange for 50,000 Credits.
  • High Roller Credit Bundle: costs 90 Platinum in exchange for 175,000 Credits.

Fusion Core packs have been reviewed as well:

  • Gold Fusion Pack: costs 80 Platinum in exchange for 15 Fusion Cores. 14 Cores are Guaranteed to be R5 Rare, with a very small chance at a Legendary Core for the 15th.** 
  • Silver Fusion Pack: costs 50 Platinum in exchange for 10 Fusion Cores. This pack includes 5 R5 Rare Cores and 5 other Cores with a chance of being Rare.
  • Bronze Fusion Pack: costs 35 Platinum in exchange for 5 Fusion Cores. Three of these Cores are guaranteed to be R5 Rare, with 2 guaranteed Uncommon.

these need to go

50p for 50k credits and 90 for 175k credits is completely nuts, specially when i can go do two t4 captures or 2-3 dark sectors and get just as much as i'd get for 50p absolutely free

fusion core packs are completely off and shouldn't be here in the first place, specially charging that much per core, when right now i can go buy r5 golden cores off of someone at a 1c:1p ratio or even cheaper

 

both being things that you'd know if you played your own game

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2 hours ago, [DE]Taylor said:

The Credit Bundles will be updated as follows:

  • Frugal Credit Bundle: costs 50 Platinum in exchange for 50,000 Credits.
  • High Roller Credit Bundle: costs 90 Platinum in exchange for 175,000 Credits.

After years of players yelling at you for this ridiculous price of 30p for 9k credits, you manage to finally increase the credits... but it's still NOT worth it.

Come on, 50k credits is like 2 mission of dark sector.

Is it really that hard to put something like 50 pl for 200k credits ?

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I'd rather not see gambling "crates"added for a legendary core, think about the children and the irresponsible.

Have you thought about changing boosters from a set period to hours in actual playtime? My 2AM login reward boosters go to waste almost every time.

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If we bought an item that was part of a bundle, will we be able to complete the bundle for a lower price (e.g. Palatine skin before I realized you can't get the Jat Kittag skin and syandana separately)? 

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Please add an option to track ranked items that you no longer own :c same with Foundry. So I wouldn't have to slowly search in profile list for every item.

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The High roller and Frugal deals (Credits for plats) should go away, IMO; it's a waste of platinum.
The gold fusion core pack with a chance of a Legendary core are very great, I will buy those for sure.

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2 hours ago, [DE]Taylor said:

The Credit Bundles will be updated as follows:

  • Frugal Credit Bundle: costs 50 Platinum in exchange for 50,000 Credits.
  • High Roller Credit Bundle: costs 90 Platinum in exchange for 175,000 Credits.

Fusion Core packs have been reviewed as well:

  • Gold Fusion Pack: costs 80 Platinum in exchange for 15 Fusion Cores. 14 Cores are Guaranteed to be R5 Rare, with a very small chance at a Legendary Core for the 15th.** 
  • Silver Fusion Pack: costs 50 Platinum in exchange for 10 Fusion Cores. This pack includes 5 R5 Rare Cores and 5 other Cores with a chance of being Rare.
  • Bronze Fusion Pack: costs 35 Platinum in exchange for 5 Fusion Cores. Three of these Cores are guaranteed to be R5 Rare, with 2 guaranteed Uncommon

These things needs to be removed (Only new players will buy these overpriced items). Only it will be worth, if we are getting 500,000 credits for 50 plat. There will always be "Sechura" and other dark sectors, where you can farm these credits for 40 mins (w/o booster)

 

3 hours ago, [DE]Taylor said:

Additions:

  • A 30 Day Resource Booster will available for 200 Platinum.

Really? This will be good for the new players only, but what about the old players? Old players need option to buy 30 day affinity booster, because of the forma pack we can get after the update !

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I was hopingthe market woudl show more information like:

- Have I mastered it already? Put a mastery symbol on it.

- Is it required as an ingredient in the making of another weapon? (magnus, lato etc)

I doubt the majority of players keep every weapon they try out. I know there are dozens of us that rank an item to 30 and then scrap it. Dozens!

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1 hour ago, Drufo said:

The fact that those resources are so easily obtainable makes that price acceptable IMO. If someone is too lazy to do 3 missions and has platinum to spend, let he do it, it's his decision

that is a poor justification and can be applied to literally any item in the market that you can farm and as such i 100% do not agree. i understand the point you're trying to make but its counterproductive, and the price is still too high.

warframe doesn't tell you everything right off, so most of these purchases are likely to be poor decisions made by uninformed players which makes it even less appropriate.

think about it. who are the players that are most likely to make these purchases for the clan tech resources that you can obtain from invasion? not the brand new guys who dont know what they are. not the experienced players who have a bit of general knowledge of how the game works, what those items are for, and have a fair bit of access to nodes throughout the star chart. its gonna be the guys in between, the MR 4, 5, and 6ers who have just gained access to clan tech and need the resources, but dont quite have the knowledge, access, or ability to farm the 2 and 3 packs off of invasions.  

its not about what vet players will pay or not, or what penalty the lazy guy should suffer. its about who is going to suffer the most from it, and in this case the answer is newer players with limited access to knowledge and resource availability. and that seems to me like its taking advantage of someone, akin to kicking a person while theyre down. like dude .. come on give them a break. 

Veteran players arent going to buy them because we have so many of the resources needed to craft fieldron detonite injectors and mutagen masses and the general distaste for wasting plat on obtainable goods.. with that in mind, its almost like theyre specifically targeting the vulnerable players and it doesnt sit well with me. at least if it was five per crafted resource their uninformed mistake wont have as much of an impact on them, that and we already mentioned that there are other items of much more significant value priced at the same cost. forma. cells. 

 

here are some things id do. 

id make 30d boosters available for all types. 

id make clan and alliance boosters available for 500 and 1kp. they would last 1 and 2 weeks. 

i would half the price of all crafted weapons in the market.

i would raise the cost of color packs from 75 to 125 since they can be used account wide excluding dojos and kubrow fur. 

i would raise the cost of accessories in the market by 25%

i would raise the cost of operator accessories by 50% and produce way more of them, especially hair and face. which would lead to player controlling the operator in lunaro and relays and dojos with the warframe of choice following your op like a sidekick in relays. 

id also speed up the operator outfits. and theyd probably cost 150 plat each. 

i would probably remove the resources from direct purchase all together as the boosters are sufficient and do more for you 

 

giving people things to buy that they are gonna want and be able to use for an indefinite amount of time (as long as their account and warframe exist) is how you make money. setting up little pitfalls to catch unsuspecting players who are more than likely newer than not.. whether intentional or not is like.. not a good way to handle things. if you guys wanna remove plat from the in game circulation and increase plat purchases there are ways to do it without setting yourselves up for negative customer relations via market trickery. 

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1 minute ago, Senechaux said:

I was hopingthe market woudl show more information like:

- Have I mastered it already? Put a mastery symbol on it.

- Is it required as an ingredient in the making of another weapon? (magnus, lato etc)

I doubt the majority of players keep every weapon they try out. I know there are dozens of us that rank an item to 30 and then scrap it. Dozens!

Actually that would be pretty nice to have too.... I know I've looked at a few weapons and then noticed I need another one or two to make it.

It's highly unlikely a lot of players keep every weapon because there just isn't enough slots to do that

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I hope that the chance for the legenday core is more than 5% or 10% :(

but I sincerily hope that instead of 175k for the High Roller Credit Bundle you make those into 200k or 225k cause 175 is a low amount of creds
 

(the forma bundle is an excelent idea! i would say 4 forma for 40 plat but yeah it is ok)

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