Otaiken Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 Just now, marelooke said: Anyway the problem isn't just the act of rebuffing, the problem is how bloody often you have to it during a mission. For all I care make those abilities not work in the bubble, but don't take them off. This. Disable the effect but leave the power on. Melee frames will be running Rage anyway so "But energy..." arguments don't really hold up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LunarEdge7 Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Lord_Azrael said: So your answer is not to solo? I thought they didn't limit player choice? Ignore this post e.e Edited July 8, 2016 by LunarEdge7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azrael Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 8 minutes ago, LunarEdge7 said: Mag huh.. well I'd be lucky if there's an enemy near but outside a Nullifier's bubble, to Magnetize and kill that mofo as fast as I can. See this is what I keep asking for: confirmation that the bubble kills magnetize on contact. I can't get to my computer till next week. If it kills magnetize, then this strategy doesn't work. I used to solo void missions with mag easily, since magnetize would damage the bubble. But if this has changed then mag has become much less viable in the void and versus corpus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otaiken Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 Just now, LunarEdge7 said: Well, I remember specters.. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAAAA.... HAAA... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LunarEdge7 Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 Just now, LocoWithGun said: AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAAAA.... HAAA... Insert meme-pic here. :D/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azrael Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 3 minutes ago, Railgun_Alter said: Then I'll ask you Do you seriously bring a squishy frame to do, say, a T4 Survival 60 Minutes run all by yourself? Cause I don't. Uh, yes. I do. Mag is great at this, because she can use her bubbles to block enemy fire. Doing so requires you to play tactically and be aware of your surroundings. It's a lot of fun. But I guess you'd rather I just play like you from now on. Good thing they don't limit playstyles! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marelooke Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 Just now, Lord_Azrael said: See this is what I keep asking for: confirmation that the bubble kills magnetize on contact. I can't get to my computer till next week. If it kills magnetize, then this strategy doesn't work. I used to solo void missions with mag easily, since magnetize would damage the bubble. But if this has changed then mag has become much less viable in the void and versus corpus. Given that they disable Snow Globe on contact I wouldn't get my hopes up... (and if it works it's likely unintended and will be fixed) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azrael Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 You know what's really funny? The people who respond with "well duh they're easy to kill git gud lol" have entirely forgotten the third nully killing meta: the glaive prime. Mine can one-shot level 150 nullifiers through the bubble. Looks like that's gonna be my main melee from now on... I just think it's funny because those who seem to think I don't know how to kill them ("just shoot the bubble? Melee? I never thought of those!") apparently don't know about one of the most effective means of killing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaosdreamer Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 6 hours ago, Tymerc said: Speak for yourself. I enjoy Nullifiers because they counter mindless ability spam while also dealing out good damage. Actually Nullifiers is breaking all the games rules , this is the first games to have a common ennemy that is able to counter all kind of powers ,I mean that ennemy is not even ability or skill , he just move around with a moving globe everything normal I don't even know how he can get that much power and tech to do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LunarEdge7 Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 1 minute ago, Lord_Azrael said: You know what's really funny? The people who respond with "well duh they're easy to kill git gud lol" have entirely forgotten the third nully killing meta: the glaive prime. Mine can one-shot level 150 nullifiers through the bubble. Looks like that's gonna be my main melee from now on... I just think it's funny because those who seem to think I don't know how to kill them ("just shoot the bubble? Melee? I never thought of those!") apparently don't know about one of the most effective means of killing them. Heh, yeah I keep doing that too for some reason. Like showing off that I can adapt and not complain, like some baby trying to prove something others can do e.e Never tried the throwing melee method, that's useful to know. Apologies for the "git gud lol" post of mine xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AwayFromKeyB Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 So what happens to Vauban's bastille ability "I dont have him so i don't really know his ability" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViolentSweed Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 6 hours ago, Tymerc said: Speak for yourself. I enjoy Nullifiers because they counter mindless ability spam while also dealing out good damage. "I don't really mind getting my limbs chopped off, it makes my day to day more annoying since simple activities become harder and doing things I enjoy is not longer an option. But it makes my life a bit more interesting." u wot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LunarEdge7 Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 6 minutes ago, ViolentSweed said: "I don't really mind getting my limbs chopped off, it makes my day to day more annoying since simple activities become harder and doing things I enjoy is not longer an option. But it makes my life a bit more interesting." u wot Enemies, man. In a game, we're supposed to love to hate them. He means that. I enjoy nullifiers as well, but some minor changes should be made to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melos-mevim Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 6 hours ago, Tymerc said: Speak for yourself. I enjoy Nullifiers because they counter mindless ability spam while also dealing out good damage. meanwhile they also bottle neck a players choice in weapons because unless you use some high damage bullet house your going to take forever killing that bubble, making them anti fun for players who like using shot guns, snipers, and bows the other issue is players hate nulifiers because there is neither no challenge to them or any meaningful reward to killing these annoying units that exist solely to well bottle neck play styles and make everyone upset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimAtrament Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 Just now, Melos-mevim said: meanwhile they also bottle neck a players choice in weapons because unless you use some high damage bullet house your going to take forever killing that bubble, making them anti fun for players who like using shot guns, snipers, and bows the other issue is players hate nulifiers because there is neither no challenge to them or any meaningful reward to killing these annoying units that exist solely to well bottle neck play styles and make everyone upset shotguns lol what you get in close you should be in the nulifier bubble by default when using a shotgun because its a CLOSE RANGE WEAPON why are you using it as a sniper rifle killing nulifier is easy with a shotgun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melos-mevim Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 Just now, hazerddex said: shotguns lol what you get in close you should be in the nulifier bubble by default when using a shotgun because its a CLOSE RANGE WEAPON why are you using it as a sniper rifle killing nulifier is easy with a shotgun I used shotguns as an example, and your whole "lol wut m8" argument still does not explain sniper rifles, or bows, also by the way don't know if you know this some shotguns have a nice tight spread making them good at both medium range and close range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimensi0nal Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 29 minutes ago, Lord_Azrael said: You know what's really funny? The people who respond with "well duh they're easy to kill git gud lol" have entirely forgotten the third nully killing meta: the glaive prime. Mine can one-shot level 150 nullifiers through the bubble. build pls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimAtrament Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Melos-mevim said: I used shotguns as an example, and your whole "lol wut m8" argument still does not explain sniper rifles, or bows, also by the way don't know if you know this some shotguns have a nice tight spread making them good at both medium range and close range. still does not excuse you being unable to killing a nulifier with a shotgun and as for sniper even if nulifiers were not in the game they would still be pretty bad in a game where you should be moving all the time. removing nulifiers wont fix the sniper rifle until they make it 100% accuracy from hip fire so its sniper rifle themselves that need help nothing wrong with the nulifiers move along Edited July 8, 2016 by hazerddex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiser_Suoh Posted July 8, 2016 Author Share Posted July 8, 2016 Comba makes more sense as a enemy n this game, but a Nullifier is like the God mode version of a Comba. Now they can reflect powers, tell me that Nullifier is not OP right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melos-mevim Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 Just now, hazerddex said: still does not exuse you being unable to killing a nulifier with a shotgun and as for sniper even if nulifiers were not in the game they would still be pritty bad in a game where you should be moving all the time. removing nulifiers wont fix the sniper rifle untill they make it 100% accuracy from hip fire ok and you are still forgetting BOWS a weapon family that is fantastic against every other unit in the game but is made worthless because it takes 12 arrows just to knock out the bubble. yes any weapon can kill the nulifier them self really easy but you have to get in the bubble to do that, if you are using any low health low armor frame that depends on survival powers to well survive you are doomed to die if you go in that bubble, ideally you want to kill them from a far, but the bubbles since they use an object based health are immune to crits making any weapon that does not fire a thousand bullets per second worthless against them from a distance, forcing the player to have no choice but to run in to the bubble and get themselves killed by all the other enemy units when they loose their essential self buffing powers, when a corpus tech just looks in their general direction. this is the real flaw with nulifiers they limit play styles and they limit weapon choices Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marelooke Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 1 minute ago, hazerddex said: shotguns lol what you get in close you should be in the nulifier bubble by default when using a shotgun because its a CLOSE RANGE WEAPON why are you using it as a sniper rifle killing nulifier is easy with a shotgun The whole point is *not* going in the bubble to not lose your buffs. Also you can borrow my Hek if you think you can't blow stuff away at range with a shotty. (though I wouldn't try to destroy a nullifier buffle with it...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimAtrament Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 Just now, Melos-mevim said: ok and you are still forgetting BOWS a weapon family that is fantastic against every other unit in the game but is made worthless because it takes 12 arrows just to knock out the bubble. yes any weapon can kill the nulifier them self really easy but you have to get in the bubble to do that, if you are using any low health low armor frame that depends on survival powers to well survive you are doomed to die if you go in that bubble, ideally you want to kill them from a far, but the bubbles since they use an object based health are immune to crits making any weapon that does not fire a thousand bullets per second worthless against them from a distance, forcing the player to have no choice but to run in to the bubble and get themselves killed by all the other enemy units when they loose their essential self buffing powers, when a corpus tech just looks in their general direction. this is the real flaw with nulifiers they limit play styles and they limit weapon choices bows run on same concept as shot gun get in hit it with a arrow or idk you have 3 weapons kill him with a melee quick strick why are you wasting your time shooting outside the bubble go in there and kill them i dont know how this is a novelty concept to you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LunarEdge7 Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 Just now, marelooke said: The whole point is *not* going in the bubble to not lose your buffs. Also you can borrow my Hek if you think you can't blow stuff away at range with a shotty. (though I wouldn't try to destroy a nullifier buffle with it...) I hope the Hek is not the only shotgun you use then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimAtrament Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 1 minute ago, marelooke said: The whole point is *not* going in the bubble to not lose your buffs. Also you can borrow my Hek if you think you can't blow stuff away at range with a shotty. (though I wouldn't try to destroy a nullifier buffle with it...) im well aware that you can use a shotgun at range but it still does not change that fact that the best strategy for killing a nulifier is to kill it inside the bubble also your buffs can come back in seconds i do it as chroma nezha zephyr equinox wukong all the time its really not that big a deal you can just activate your skill again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melos-mevim Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 Just now, hazerddex said: bows run on same concept as shot gun get in hit it with a arrow or idk you have 3 weapons kill him with a melee quick strick why are you wasting your time shooting outside the bubble go in there and kill them i dont know how this is a novelty concept to you because lets say I am running mesa a low shield low armor medium health warframe against level 40 corpus, now without my shatter shield and shooting gallery buffs any of these corpus can and will kill me in one maybe two shots, I need these abilities up at all times to survive (there are many other frames that work like this) I spot a nulifier, now I like running for my weapons if we want an example, dread, ak magnus, and mios, yes I can run inside that bubble and kill the nulifier with one ht from any of these weapons. however once I step inside that bubble I loose those 2 self buffing powers necessary to survive. and instantly the nearest detron crewman or corpus tech, or hell lets say we are fighting corrupted and its a bombard, shoot at me and I die instantly. I had to type that all out because you sir were un able to read my prior post that said for frames that need self buffs to survive they can't go in the bubble. now I know what you are going to say next, "gee why not just use I don't know a more durable frame" and I will then respond that you are then proving me right when I argue the fault with nulifiers is they force players in to specific play styles and that in no way should ever be encouraged in game design Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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