pagepro Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 You are all blinded by this update. Lets start with the void. Why did we get an entirely new system for acquiring prime parts? You say that the new system is better because you get prime parts faster. Alright but lets ask ourselves why DE simply didn't up the drop chance on everything in the void? If you could choose between a higher drop chance in the old void that was = to the drop chance that we receive from relics now which would you prefer? Can you honestly say that this new void fissure crap is more entertaining than the old void? -We also didn't have our keys converted correctly. -Credits were/are broken or DE simply reduced them to increase the grind for all we know. -Archwing is unplayable on corpus nodes and the Jordas verdict raid phase 3. -Gaining affinity has become tedious. This effects focus as well I don't even bother with it anymore. -Kavats are just more of what we don't really need. How about some different mission types instead? I find it crazy how a lot of people here are so quick to accept downgrades in fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaizergidorahXi Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 (edited) I actually have no issues with the new update, other than the bugs, and the too-close archwing camera and sliding around in space. So no, I don't consider it a bad update. Maybe think about how other people have differing opinions before thinking that we all see it as a downgrade. Edited July 13, 2016 by KaizergidorahXi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firetempest Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 meta complaint about lack of complaints. Maybe because they are all in the feed back threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NativeKiller Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 (edited) I agree with you for the most part but then again I don't think this update is entirely bad. Yeah, A LOT OF keys were lost, credit/ducat/affinity gain has been nerfed HARD... it really is terrible, in those regards, no denying them. But I think, D.E is trying something new and that is something of itself. ...Although, I agree that D.E isn't doing nowhere near perfect at the first try but yeah. :D P.S// I also HATE the new update, in general, except for it becoming somewhat easier to get "rare" parts, so yeah. Edited July 13, 2016 by NativeKiller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terror-Of-Death Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 (edited) 8 minutes ago, pagepro said: -snip- 1. The same maps/missions get boring. I'm only about 40 days into the game, but I get what the gripe is about. 2. Bugs are present in every update. What a surprise. Key conversion was an accident, they happen. 3. Oh yeah, I feel you on the JV shenanigans. My team's solution is to spam shield restores. 4. Gaining affinity isn't too bad, really. It's not as fast/efficient/lazy/easy as before, but it's manageable. 5. Oh boy Kavats are amazing. If you've properly modded one, you'd probably notice. Shield stripping. More rare resources dropping. What's not to like? Edited July 13, 2016 by Terror-Of-Death Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoner Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 (edited) Edited July 13, 2016 by Stoner74 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Sandman Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 8 minutes ago, pagepro said: -Gaining affinity has become tedious. This effects focus as well I don't even bother with it anymore. Well that I can't argue with, I haven't reached my cap since the update. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azrael Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 Why does this sound like a conspiracy theorist post? "You're all blind! Open your eyes, sheeple!" Maybe OP thinks DE made the update buggy on purpose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NativeKiller Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 (edited) 1 minute ago, Lord_Azrael said: Why does this sound like a conspiracy theorist post? "You're all blind! Open your eyes, sheeple!" Maybe OP thinks DE made the update buggy on purpose? To be fair, it is somewhat arguable that a lot of the new changes are shamelessly geared towards making people buy more plat. :3 Edited July 13, 2016 by NativeKiller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deatherage_ Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 another one oh well old void, t4 had the 3 times damage so unless you were a hyper tank or ivara you were deleted by a stray bombard missle that was shot at you from two rooms down around 35 minutes in a survival also i rather have higher drop chances than old void, i wasted over 500 t3 exterminate keys trying to get one nyx chasis, guess what still no nyx chasis but i have hopes of getting one now since stuff i had from old void are hard to get now yes credits got gutted but i have a 4 forma ember prime so if need credits i solo serchura and leave at 5 waves, each run is like 3 minutes i always hated archwing, always will till we have mini robotic ardvarchs that operate like carrier for AW Draco is gone, go play spy missions and get good ARE YOU REALLY TRASHING ON KAVATS WITH OUT TRYING THEM OUT???? imma leave this here, because this shows how "useless" they are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RX-3DR Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 Key conversion is being sorted out for now. Increasing the drop chance of everything in the void would not really solve the issue of waiting out for 20 minutes for a chance to get what you want. Especially since the drop tables were a lot more diluted back then. Increasing the drop chance doesn't really work because it has to total up to a 100%, so if you had 10 items in the list, it's still 1/10 to get what you want after 20 minutes. The Void Fissures are a significant change of pace compared to sitting and babysitting an objective for 20 waves on T4 Defense, only to get common Prime piece that drops elsewhere. Archwings are perfectly fine. If you're not willing to put in practice, then of course you're going to find it difficult. Gaining affinity is not really a problem. There are other means of getting Affinity besides sitting in Draco for hours a day. If all you did was grind out at the "popular" grind spots, the fault is on you. You're not even required to grind out all that Affinity in the first place, DE placed a limit on Focus to prevent people from finishing the entire tree in a single day. It's not there as a requirement. I don't see how anything was a downgrade. They may not be improvements, but an alternative is sometimes the better step to take to prepare for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notlamprey Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 5 minutes ago, NativeKiller said: Yeah, A LOT OF keys were lost, credit/ducat/affinity gain has been nerfed HARD... it really is terrible, in those regards, no denying them. Actually, we now know that they were just converted incorrectly. DE are currently mulling over how best to provide a more permanent solution for those affected; we said that 40 relics wasn't appropriate compensation and they listened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azrael Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 12 minutes ago, pagepro said: You say that the new system is better because you get prime parts faster. Alright but lets ask ourselves why DE simply didn't up the drop chance on everything in the void? Oh, and sorry for posting twice, but this one made me laugh a little. DE can't "up the drop chance for everything" because that's not how math works. In order to up something, they'd have to lower something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NativeKiller Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 1 minute ago, notlamprey said: Actually, we now know that they were just converted incorrectly. DE are currently mulling over how best to provide a more permanent solution for those affected; we said that 40 relics wasn't appropriate compensation and they listened. Yeah, I did hear about that and I am really glad about it! Still, I just wanted to say that something terrible had happened and that compensations won't change the fact that such a thing had actually occurred. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumfing Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 Very aggressive title Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azrael Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 Just now, NativeKiller said: Still, I just wanted to say that something terrible had happened and that compensations won't change the fact that such a thing had actually occurred. :D This much is true. I really wish we could get test servers. They are long overdue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terror-Of-Death Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 3 minutes ago, Govictory said: old void, t4 had the 3 times damage so unless you were a hyper tank or ivara you were deleted by a stray bombard missle that was shot at you from two rooms down around 35 minutes in a survival yes credits got gutted but i have a 4 forma ember prime so if need credits i solo serchura and leave at 5 waves, each run is like 3 minutes Draco is gone, go play spy missions and get good 1. I actually liked that. A-am I a masochist? 2. Raids help a lot with credits too. 3. It's hard to do spy missions and get stealth kills with frames other than Ivara/Loki. :c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teloch Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 1) Yeah, the improper key conversion upon update was absolutely infuriating 2) Credits were broken but now, as far as I know, the sortie payments were fixed 3) You just need to refrain from using afterburner in corpus trenches. As in, do you really anger about being unable to navigate city streets on highway speed? 4) All former Draco scrubs must suffer finally learn how to play the game 5) no opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoner Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 25 minutes ago, pagepro said: I find it crazy how a lot of people here are so quick to accept downgrades in fun. I'm having tons of fun with this update, i don't know what you're talking about. Archwing is much more fun, cats are cool, new starchart is awesome, new "void" is awesome. Ok ok, there's many bugs... but they'll get fixed eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastorius Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 7 minutes ago, Lord_Azrael said: Why does this sound like a conspiracy theorist post? "You're all blind! Open your eyes, sheeple!" Maybe OP thinks DE made the update buggy on purpose? 5 minutes ago, notlamprey said: Actually, we now know that they were just converted incorrectly. DE are currently mulling over how best to provide a more permanent solution for those affected; we said that 40 relics wasn't appropriate compensation and they listened. The conspiracy theories probably arose when we realized that the keys omitted during the "incorrect" conversion all just so happened to contain the rarest parts from all of the sets in the current Prime Access and Vault Access, with the sole exception of Vauban Prime, whose parts are all a 2% base drop chance. I don't much believe in coincidence, personally. DE has been known to use PR-speak before, for example by officially referring to the Hydroid nerf as a buff, even though pretty much everyone knew differently. I don't agree with the OP wholesale, but I'll say this: Farming old Prime stuff is noticeably easier right now, sure. However I'll bet you a thousand plat that the rarest parts or even most of the parts of upcoming Primes (Tigris Prime, Galatine Prime, and Nekros Prime) will be dropped by all-new Relics that won't be available until the next Prime Access begins. At that point, when we have to farm all-new Relics for the new Primes and 85% of the Relics that drop are old relics, THEN we'll see how the new grind actually is. Personally, I think DE changed the Void key system in order to essentially render the hundreds of void keys many old veterans have useless for farming new Prime stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terror-Of-Death Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 1 minute ago, Stoner74 said: I'm having tons of fun with this update, i don't know what you're talking about. Archwing is much more fun, cats are cool, new starchart is awesome, new "void" is awesome. Ok ok, there's many bugs... but they'll get fixed eventually. Fam have you tried JV with Archwing. YOU'RE BLINDED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightBlitz Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 12 minutes ago, Lord_Azrael said: This much is true. I really wish we could get test servers. They are long overdue. technically speaking..this is the test server Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoner Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 Just now, Terror-Of-Death said: Fam have you tried JV with Archwing. YOU'RE BLINDED OH NO! POCKET SAND! Last time i did a raid i was in the year 2015. So no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varacal Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 so its not enough that they attack the game after the update, now they attack the people that actually like the update, i expect this thread to be locked/deleted just for the title alone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senketsu_ Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 23 minutes ago, NativeKiller said: I agree with you for the most part but then again I don't think this update is entirely bad. Yeah, A LOT OF keys were lost, credit/ducat/affinity gain has been nerfed HARD... it really is terrible, in those regards, no denying them. But I think, D.E is trying something new and that is something of itself. ...Although, I agree that D.E isn't doing nowhere near perfect at the first try but yeah. :D P.S// I also HATE the new update, in general, except for it becoming somewhat easier to get "rare" parts, so yeah. the funny thing is that i grinded 500+ ducats with this new system as apposed to the couple of hour grinding the old system only to get 200 ducats at most before I got bored/sick of the void tileset over and over and over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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