(PSN)Romulus93 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 (edited) A recent alert was about 10 waves but it took 20 minutes. Some missions are too long. Right now, I think the reward acquisition is A, A, B, C every 5 waves or 5 minutes for survival. The grind would be a lot more bearable if C rewards were obtainable every 15 minutes on survival and 15 waves on defense. Edited July 25, 2016 by (PS4)Romulus93 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Tanta Cinta Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 (edited) The rewards for survival currently on consoles is A, A, B, C. 5 and 10 minutes are rotation A. 15 and 20 are B and C, respectively. Edited July 25, 2016 by (XB1)OTF SERENiTY Same can be said for defense. It's always been like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumfing Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 EIther way, changing the rotation rewards won't make your 10 wave 20 minute long mission shorter... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rawr1254 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 (edited) Still AABC. And sometimes the amount of time it takes is on your team. I mean if you have someone bring a Nyx to a defense then your gonna have to hunt down the enemies. Slova? Hunt down the enemies. You want a good flow of enemies and high dps on the team. And having an Ash on the team gives the illusion of having a quick run. Edited July 25, 2016 by rawr1254 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V45H Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 some missions are to short Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Romulus93 Posted July 25, 2016 Author Share Posted July 25, 2016 The point is, we can reduce the grind by reducing the time it takes to get to the coveted rotation C spot by taking out the extra A rotation reward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)abbacephas Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 In the big scheme of things, does 5 minutes really make that much of a difference? As for defense missions, if you want to end them faster, bring a speed Nova. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Romulus93 Posted July 25, 2016 Author Share Posted July 25, 2016 3 minutes ago, (PS4)abbacephas said: In the big scheme of things, does 5 minutes really make that much of a difference? As for defense missions, if you want to end them faster, bring a speed Nova. In the big scheme of things, 5 minutes saved from, say, 4 missions or more if you're farming for something, saves you 20 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V45H Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 (edited) Actually people wanted A A B C rotation because A rotation rewards were in a bad spot in terms of RNG. Edited July 25, 2016 by V45H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Romulus93 Posted July 25, 2016 Author Share Posted July 25, 2016 (edited) 26 minutes ago, V45H said: Actually people wanted A A B C rotation because A rotation rewards were in a bad spot in terms of RNG. 5 mintues or 5 waves for A rotation then leave if you don't get what you want. Otherwise, as it is now, B and C need to stay an extra 5 waves or 5 minutes. Taking out another A rotation won't be an issue. Edited July 25, 2016 by (PS4)Romulus93 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diana.K Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 2 hours ago, (PS4)Romulus93 said: The point is, we can reduce the grind by reducing the time it takes to get to the coveted rotation C spot by taking out the extra A rotation reward. That actually may have the inverse affect of increasing it, shorter mission times means doing more missions which may potential lead to faster burnout depending on the people a playing. Also a lot of what is long and short is personal preference. Personally, I think things are fine as they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Romulus93 Posted July 25, 2016 Author Share Posted July 25, 2016 Just now, Diana.K said: That actually may have the inverse affect of increasing it, shorter mission times means doing more missions which may potential lead to faster burnout depending on the people a playing. Also a lot of what is long and short is personal preference. Personally, I think things are fine as they are. You weren't there...you didn't see... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diana.K Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Just now, (PS4)Romulus93 said: You weren't there...you didn't see... Anecdotes are not arguments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)abbacephas Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 7 hours ago, (PS4)Romulus93 said: In the big scheme of things, 5 minutes saved from, say, 4 missions or more if you're farming for something, saves you 20 minutes. In the big scheme of things, does X (insert any number for X) minutes really make a difference? This is a game that revolves around RNG. Ergo, it is a game that revolves around grind. Saving 5 minutes here or there won't make a lick of difference since that drop rates are random anyway and you could grind just as long (or even longer) for a particular part if RNG hates you. There will be no time saved when all is said and done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Romulus93 Posted July 25, 2016 Author Share Posted July 25, 2016 2 hours ago, (PS4)abbacephas said: In the big scheme of things, does X (insert any number for X) minutes really make a difference? This is a game that revolves around RNG. Ergo, it is a game that revolves around grind. Saving 5 minutes here or there won't make a lick of difference since that drop rates are random anyway and you could grind just as long (or even longer) for a particular part if RNG hates you. There will be no time saved when all is said and done. There is now way taking off 5 waves or 5 minutes from survival is bad and it absolutely reduces grind. I don't understand how anyone can make the argument that grind isn't reduced or changed by shaving off the time it takes to reach something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)abbacephas Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 21 minutes ago, (PS4)Romulus93 said: There is now way taking off 5 waves or 5 minutes from survival is bad and it absolutely reduces grind. I don't understand how anyone can make the argument that grind isn't reduced or changed by shaving off the time it takes to reach something. 2 hours ago, (PS4)abbacephas said: In the big scheme of things, does X (insert any number for X) minutes really make a difference? This is a game that revolves around RNG. Ergo, it is a game that revolves around grind. Saving 5 minutes here or there won't make a lick of difference since that drop rates are random anyway and you could grind just as long (or even longer) for a particular part if RNG hates you. There will be no time saved when all is said and done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V45H Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 8 hours ago, (PS4)Romulus93 said: You weren't there...you didn't see... I was there i did see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Romulus93 Posted July 26, 2016 Author Share Posted July 26, 2016 Can we at least agree that less grind and more favorable RNG would be nice to have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hey_guess_what Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 You do know that they ruined the void because of whiny cucks players like you? Thanks for that; and enjoy the endless while you can DE will soon ruin your runs as well. Get ready for the 1/14 relic grind for prime junk with traces to make you think you have a chance So yeah stop whining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shockwave- Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 6 hours ago, (PS4)Romulus93 said: Can we at least agree that less grind and more favorable RNG would be nice to have? I can't no. Making things too easy to get trivializes a game which is essentially about getting rare things. Some people actually do like to have to put in some time and effort for things. Once you have everything then what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Romulus93 Posted July 26, 2016 Author Share Posted July 26, 2016 21 minutes ago, Shockwave- said: I can't no. Making things too easy to get trivializes a game which is essentially about getting rare things. Some people actually do like to have to put in some time and effort for things. Once you have everything then what? Doesn't have to be easy just easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Romulus93 Posted July 26, 2016 Author Share Posted July 26, 2016 7 hours ago, hey_guess_what said: You do know that they ruined the void because of whiny cucks players like you? Thanks for that; and enjoy the endless while you can DE will soon ruin your runs as well. Get ready for the 1/14 relic grind for prime junk with traces to make you think you have a chance So yeah stop whining. They changed it because the "whiny" players like me were more numerous than the ones that like grinding endlessly. It's best for the majority that grind is reduced a bit more because clearly, unreasonable grind is generally unwanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shockwave- Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 26 minutes ago, (PS4)Romulus93 said: They changed it because the "whiny" players like me were more numerous than the ones that like grinding endlessly. It's best for the majority that grind is reduced a bit more because clearly, unreasonable grind is generally unwanted. So you got a new systems that is more boring, more one dimentional, super easy (bring any frame, any weapon, any build) and is MORE grind in the end that the void was if you could grinding for the relics (worse than keyfarming), 4 relics used per mission (instead of keysharing), no ducat farming (AAB rotations in endless when you are looking for that rare C part). Now you will farm for a specific relic, use it to get 1 shot at 1 part in a boring minigame/mission for 5 minutes, then go farm a new key and repeat. I for 1 miss farming 1 single key and going to a 60 minute surivial that gave me 6 A rotations, 3 B rotations and 3 C rotations. Then my 3 friends used their keys over the next few days and did 3 more hours of surrivial all on that 1 key we all got when farming..... That's alot of ducats and shots at C rotations with minimal keyfarming. All gone now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Romulus93 Posted July 26, 2016 Author Share Posted July 26, 2016 12 minutes ago, Shockwave- said: So you got a new systems that is more boring, more one dimentional, super easy (bring any frame, any weapon, any build) and is MORE grind in the end that the void was if you could grinding for the relics (worse than keyfarming), 4 relics used per mission (instead of keysharing), no ducat farming (AAB rotations in endless when you are looking for that rare C part). Now you will farm for a specific relic, use it to get 1 shot at 1 part in a boring minigame/mission for 5 minutes, then go farm a new key and repeat. I for 1 miss farming 1 single key and going to a 60 minute surivial that gave me 6 A rotations, 3 B rotations and 3 C rotations. Then my 3 friends used their keys over the next few days and did 3 more hours of surrivial all on that 1 key we all got when farming..... That's alot of ducats and shots at C rotations with minimal keyfarming. All gone now. It's better because the grind is more pointed in that RNG can be controlled a bit more with relics and reactants or whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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