Message2god Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 End game is not lvl40 or lvl100 so simple. I have heard so many people say this weapon cannot kill 150lvl heavy gunners, this warframe is useless on 400lvl enemies, high armor warframes still die in 1 hit no matter how high armor you stack so their useless. What should DE do? Boost all the weapons and warframes up to par to deal with extreme content or nerf all of the over performing things down so nobody can survive to 400lvl enemies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)bddacres Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 Warframe is an endless mission game....... The belief that a weapon should never fall off in dps is illogically and DE should realize it as such Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreezerFlare Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 I feel a weapon should be able to function at Sortie 3 levels. Level 80/100 Corrupted Heavy Gunner is like the benchmark for testing if a weapon is "endgame" viable or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nesit1 Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 Top content is locked behind lvl 100, not lvl 400 (Raid and Sortie 3). This should be considered as "endgame", nothing more. And tanky frames are viable if you actually position yourself (and don't rush into group of 20-30 for no reason at all) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volinus7 Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 (edited) My benchmark is 20 lvl150 napalms lol anything that survived get my "Quality tested" stamp on it. Edited July 29, 2016 by Volinus7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
venon23 Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 DE only support gameplay up too lvl 100ish u can go more but they want a wall where u cant go more ofc with tons of cc and someabilitys u can go very very far nova amd nox 4 stealth dagger kills etc etc but thats not supported for DE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Message2god Posted July 29, 2016 Author Share Posted July 29, 2016 But Even against lvl 100 enemies ,armor isn't worth a dim as going all glass but always hit 2 times harder like mirage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiePainPain Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 23 minutes ago, Message2god said: End game is not lvl40 or lvl100 so simple. I have heard so many people say this weapon cannot kill 150lvl heavy gunners, this warframe is useless on 400lvl enemies, high armor warframes still die in 1 hit no matter how high armor you stack so their useless. What should DE do? Boost all the weapons and warframes up to par to deal with extreme content or nerf all of the over performing things down so nobody can survive to 400lvl enemies? At least upload a picture u faced lvl 400 enemies and call for discussion. I think less than 10% players play the end game at lvl 150+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Praxxor Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 Fighting enemies that are over 100 level is completely unnecessary now, you are not obligated to do it, and you can just rerun the mission for the rewards instead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Message2god Posted July 29, 2016 Author Share Posted July 29, 2016 Topic is not about the necessity of fighting over lvl100 enemies but the fact that some warframe and weapons efficiency trumps others by so much that they are labeled as best and everyone must use it. I played Guildwars 2, anyone one joining a party not running the highest dps setup are kicked instantly, everyone goes for speed runs and perfect loadout. They say the bad gears and weapons(any lower dps setups) exist to differentiate the good players and the bad players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedOfLightPuncher Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 If the specific item works in sortie 3 it is pretty much set for the whole game. I am looking at you there hydroid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzureTerra Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 "End Game" is what you make of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesyol Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 3 hours ago, (PS4)bddacres said: Warframe is an endless mission game....... The belief that a weapon should never fall off in dps is illogically and DE should realize it as such No? Endless missions aren't supported by DE and no one is forcing you to do them. Atm you won't even get much rewards from endless. It's more like a challenge, even a bit gamebreaking. And I hope Warframe won't be ever built aroun Endless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)bddacres Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 Just now, Hesyol said: No? Endless missions aren't supported by DE and no one is forcing you to do them. Atm you won't even get much rewards from endless. It's more like a challenge, even a bit gamebreaking. And I hope Warframe won't be ever built aroun Endless thts basically what i said so..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeFragMe Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 hm. ... my opinion on viability of weapon against level 400+ is easy... dont do level 400+ wich arent there to be easyly defeated (somwhere there has to be a road block). moreover , there is no reason to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxedpotato Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 (edited) endless missions are the only thing that actually posed a challenge in this game, yet people cry about them being either too difficult or ''game breaking'' it's like i'm a firetruck driving over a pile of ants, metaforically speaking. and i'm far from the only one. we need endgame content. period. Edited July 29, 2016 by maxedpotato typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xgomme Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 3 hours ago, Message2god said: Topic is not about the necessity of fighting over lvl100 enemies but the fact that some warframe and weapons efficiency trumps others by so much that they are labeled as best and everyone must use it. I played Guildwars 2, anyone one joining a party not running the highest dps setup are kicked instantly, everyone goes for speed runs and perfect loadout. They say the bad gears and weapons(any lower dps setups) exist to differentiate the good players and the bad players. Kinda true... A bad player won't win without the best gear :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeFragMe Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 4 minutes ago, Xgomme said: Kinda true... A bad player won't win without the best gear :P well, its not like it is much different in WF. If i try to join a Raid they always want me to have the best gear/warframe possible with me or iam not allowed to take part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xgomme Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 2 minutes ago, DeFragMe said: well, its not like it is much different in WF. If i try to join a Raid they always want me to have the best gear/warframe possible with me or iam not allowed to take part. Yeah, I mean a good player can play anything. Just play with some decent players and not those lazy power addicts. Like when you bring a random frame to a random mission and someone say "Lol, Loki in def..." and you end up being more useful than him ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaUrchins Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 The most powerful weapons in Warframe are "abuse" and "exploit", everything else won't carry you past wave 85 in void defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cx-dave Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 5 hours ago, Message2god said: End game is not lvl40 or lvl100 so simple. I have heard so many people say this weapon cannot kill 150lvl heavy gunners, this warframe is useless on 400lvl enemies, high armor warframes still die in 1 hit no matter how high armor you stack so their useless. What should DE do? Boost all the weapons and warframes up to par to deal with extreme content or nerf all of the over performing things down so nobody can survive to 400lvl enemies? They don't really have to change anything in that regard. Many weapons that aren't suited for high level enemies can kill low level enemies faster and more efficiently in comparison. Same thing goes for Warframe setups and powers. When you build for durability to combat high level enemies, they often won't be able to deal with the low level stuff as efficiently. It's all a matter of priorities and using the right setup for the job. Continue to play around and test stuff for yourself. You might be surprised what you'll find out over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeFragMe Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Xgomme said: Like when you bring a random frame to a random mission and someone say "Lol, Loki in def..." and you end up being more useful than him ^^ got that yesterday in a t4 survival tear as Ivara. was the one who always rezzed the other ones and keept the life support going... but before hand they told me that they wont rezz me... maybe i should have left them on the floor... Edited July 29, 2016 by DeFragMe Word missed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xgomme Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 1 minute ago, DeFragMe said: got that yesterday in a t4 survival tear as Ivara. was the one who always rezzed the other ones and keept the life support going... but before hand they told me that they wont rezz me... maybe i should have left them on the floor... A little emote before the rez, just to enjoy the awkward moment <3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnKable Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 Lvl 400 is not engame. And was never meant to be. there is no weapon (except CL daggers) that can kill a lvl 400+ enemy with a decent timing. how you kill lvl 400 enemies? Exploiting the game with ability spam, thats not actually doing endgame. And again NO weapons are good or decent against lvl 400. Some weapons can in fact keep killing at this level only combined with power spams, corrosive aurea and such. instead lvl 100 is endgame, thats the top level enemies you can have direct access from your liset. And level 100 is viable with almost any weapon. i had fun many times fighting lvl 400+ enemies, but keep in mind thats just exploit and not playing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deatherage_ Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 level 400 enemies? don't worry just let me bring my dagger with covert lethalitty on a Ivara and watch me prowl and sleep arrow all of the enemies and dagger to instakill them and not be worried about being shot at in the process Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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