NovusNova Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 2 hours ago, Phatose said: There "Excalibur Umbra is the first of a very limited series of 'Umbra' gear that will be coming to the Global Build." That implies not everything will get a Umbra variant. As far as I know, DE have only said every frame should eventually get a Prime, nothing about which frames will be getting "Umbra'd". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tymerc Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 Just now, NovusNova said: "Excalibur Umbra is the first of a very limited series of 'Umbra' gear that will be coming to the Global Build." That implies not everything will get a Umbra variant. As far as I know, DE have only said every frame should eventually get a Prime, nothing about which frames will be getting "Umbra'd". Well if they follow the Primes my boy Frost is next on the list. ^_^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yual Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 2 minutes ago, Tymerc said: Well if they follow the Primes my boy Frost is next on the list. ^_^ That implies not everything will get a Umbra variant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tymerc Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, yual said: That implies not everything will get a Umbra variant. Um, okay? It doesn't have to be everyone. Frost was the second Warframe to receive a Prime variation after Excalibur. Thus me saying Frost is next if they choose to follow the Prime order. Understand? Edited July 19, 2016 by Tymerc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormdragon Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 (edited) "we will get it out as soon as possible" Spoiler source: Changyou Warframe Images Faq PD: that thread's birthday is on wednesday :D Edited July 18, 2016 by -----LegioN----- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StalkerIsMyWaifu Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 (edited) So, wild theory about the Umbra Excalibur. We all know that Hunhow has the worlds biggest grudge against the Tenno, and he has thrown the word "Shadow" around quite a bit. What if Excalibur Umbra is a Warframe that Hunhow made to attack the Tenno? That way, we can't kill him, AND it allows him to follow us into the void. Design wise, Excalibur would be used since it's the frame a lot of people chose when starting, and it would be kind of symbolic as you would have Excalibur fighting a stronger version of himself, (almostlikeawarwithin) Just a wild stab in the dark. (Pun intended) Edited July 19, 2016 by HellsSapper I was dumb and left out a paragraph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OniDax Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 18 hours ago, arch111 said: "Hold up guys. We need some good lore for this first, we can't just release Umbra without a good back story". There are people at DE who say this? Doubt it. If there were, the current lore wouldn't be a mess. Lore isn't a priority when you don't have a narrative director/designer. It's not a priority when you have programmers handling the lore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arch111 Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 55 minutes ago, AntoineFlemming said: There are people at DE who say this? Doubt it. If there were, the current lore wouldn't be a mess. Lore isn't a priority when you don't have a narrative director/designer. It's not a priority when you have programmers handling the lore. Here's me hoping anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako Posted July 19, 2016 Author Share Posted July 19, 2016 16 hours ago, yual said: That implies not everything will get a Umbra variant. weve known this for .. quite some time though .... 17 hours ago, NovusNova said: "Excalibur Umbra is the first of a very limited series of 'Umbra' gear that will be coming to the Global Build." That implies not everything will get a Umbra variant. As far as I know, DE have only said every frame should eventually get a Prime, nothing about which frames will be getting "Umbra'd". ^how ive always understood it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornWithTeeth Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 And for my next trick, I am going to make a reasoned and logical statement which will righteously annoy everyone. What if Excalibur Umbra is not a thing which you can ever actually 'have'? What if you cannot own Excalibur Umbra, or have it on a permanent basis? Y'all seem to really love the idea that Excalibur Umbra is an independent 'frame with no Operator. You also really, really want to have Excalibur Umbra. Problem is, I don't see any easy way to combine these two things. Then, in my mind, I stopped trying to reconcile those two concepts, and instead asked myself: '"What if Excalibur Umbra is not a Warframe which it is possible to 'have' and casually select for use? What if it works completely differently?" What if Excalibur Umbra is a truly independent 'frame, who shows up as an unexpected ally in some quest, right? Excalibur Umbra is a powerful Warframe, but has no true Tenno power, because there's no Operator involved. So, to defeat something of immense power, an alliance forms. The Tenno and Umbra work together in temporary Transference, using Umbra's inherent powerful stats, and some OP Focus powers and tactical training from the Tenno. Forever afterward, you cannot ever own Umbra....but you can call in favours. I can see them implementing a system somewhere between Nitain Alerts and Fissure missions, where several times a day, you get Umbra Objectives. Join with Umbra and lend it your power to carry out a random mission which is Sortie-level hard, and in return gain a token, a favour Umbra owes you. Call in the token to be able to Transfer into and use Umbra for one mission of your own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGodofWiFi Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 26 minutes ago, BornWithTeeth said: And for my next trick, I am going to make a reasoned and logical statement which will righteously annoy everyone. What if Excalibur Umbra is not a thing which you can ever actually 'have'? What if you cannot own Excalibur Umbra, or have it on a permanent basis? Y'all seem to really love the idea that Excalibur Umbra is an independent 'frame with no Operator. You also really, really want to have Excalibur Umbra. Problem is, I don't see any easy way to combine these two things. Then, in my mind, I stopped trying to reconcile those two concepts, and instead asked myself: '"What if Excalibur Umbra is not a Warframe which it is possible to 'have' and casually select for use? What if it works completely differently?" What if Excalibur Umbra is a truly independent 'frame, who shows up as an unexpected ally in some quest, right? Excalibur Umbra is a powerful Warframe, but has no true Tenno power, because there's no Operator involved. So, to defeat something of immense power, an alliance forms. The Tenno and Umbra work together in temporary Transference, using Umbra's inherent powerful stats, and some OP Focus powers and tactical training from the Tenno. Forever afterward, you cannot ever own Umbra....but you can call in favours. I can see them implementing a system somewhere between Nitain Alerts and Fissure missions, where several times a day, you get Umbra Objectives. Join with Umbra and lend it your power to carry out a random mission which is Sortie-level hard, and in return gain a token, a favour Umbra owes you. Call in the token to be able to Transfer into and use Umbra for one mission of your own. given how long this thread has gone on for that would probably ruffle some feathers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PsychedelicSnake Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Excalibur Umbra is actually Teshin's father from another timeline. Teshin went back in time but got stuck when Doc Ruk's time machine got damaged. Now he's trying to get back to the future and fix the timeline before he ceases to exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
---UMBRA--- Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 (edited) 40 minutes ago, BornWithTeeth said: And for my next trick, I am going to make a reasoned and logical statement which will righteously annoy everyone. What if Excalibur Umbra is not a thing which you can ever actually 'have'? What if you cannot own Excalibur Umbra, or have it on a permanent basis? Y'all seem to really love the idea that Excalibur Umbra is an independent 'frame with no Operator. You also really, really want to have Excalibur Umbra. Problem is, I don't see any easy way to combine these two things. Then, in my mind, I stopped trying to reconcile those two concepts, and instead asked myself: '"What if Excalibur Umbra is not a Warframe which it is possible to 'have' and casually select for use? What if it works completely differently?" What if Excalibur Umbra is a truly independent 'frame, who shows up as an unexpected ally in some quest, right? Excalibur Umbra is a powerful Warframe, but has no true Tenno power, because there's no Operator involved. So, to defeat something of immense power, an alliance forms. The Tenno and Umbra work together in temporary Transference, using Umbra's inherent powerful stats, and some OP Focus powers and tactical training from the Tenno. Forever afterward, you cannot ever own Umbra....but you can call in favours. I can see them implementing a system somewhere between Nitain Alerts and Fissure missions, where several times a day, you get Umbra Objectives. Join with Umbra and lend it your power to carry out a random mission which is Sortie-level hard, and in return gain a token, a favour Umbra owes you. Call in the token to be able to Transfer into and use Umbra for one mission of your own. this is absolutely impossible. You may ask, why. I will answer. If things you told about come true, will china umbra prime owners start to hate DE? Of course, yes. If they do this, devs will destroy themselves. China umbra owners use them, as usual frame and use focus abilities very well, changing as I said, will cause very bad things. Edited July 20, 2016 by ---UMBRA--- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornWithTeeth Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 19 minutes ago, LorianTheElderPrince said: given how long this thread has gone on for that would probably ruffle some feathers. 11 minutes ago, ---UMBRA--- said: this is absolutely impossible. You may ask, why. I will answer. If things you told about come true, will china umbra prime owners start to hate DE? Of course, yes. If they do this, devs will destroy themselves. China umbra owners use them, as usual frame and use focus abilities very well, changing as I said, will cause very bad things. In Chinese Warframe/Star Armour, Excalibur Umbra Prime is just a Warframe. We know that the global build is doing something different. Something radically different. Besides...... You want Umbra to be a renegade badass. You want Umbra to be an obedient suit which you can wear to make yourself look cool. You cannot have both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OniDax Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 11 minutes ago, BornWithTeeth said: Hide contents In Chinese Warframe/Star Armour, Excalibur Umbra Prime is just a Warframe. We know that the global build is doing something different. Something radically different. Besides...... You want Umbra to be a renegade badass. You want Umbra to be an obedient suit which you can wear to make yourself look cool. You cannot have both. Well, apparently there's an Umbra "character." What if, we can use an Umbra warframe, but there's another independent Umbra that's a "renegade badass"? See, we CAN have both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circle_of_Psi Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 42 minutes ago, LorianTheElderPrince said: given how long this thread has gone on for that would probably ruffle some feathers. Heh.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako Posted July 20, 2016 Author Share Posted July 20, 2016 47 minutes ago, PsychedelicSnake said: Excalibur Umbra is actually Teshin's father from another timeline. Teshin went back in time but got stuck when Doc Ruk's time machine got damaged. Now he's trying to get back to the future and fix the timeline before he ceases to exist. lol^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)MK Ultra K11 Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 2 hours ago, BornWithTeeth said: And for my next trick, I am going to make a reasoned and logical statement which will righteously annoy everyone. What if Excalibur Umbra is not a thing which you can ever actually 'have'? What if you cannot own Excalibur Umbra, or have it on a permanent basis? Y'all seem to really love the idea that Excalibur Umbra is an independent 'frame with no Operator. You also really, really want to have Excalibur Umbra. Problem is, I don't see any easy way to combine these two things. Then, in my mind, I stopped trying to reconcile those two concepts, and instead asked myself: '"What if Excalibur Umbra is not a Warframe which it is possible to 'have' and casually select for use? What if it works completely differently?" What if Excalibur Umbra is a truly independent 'frame, who shows up as an unexpected ally in some quest, right? Excalibur Umbra is a powerful Warframe, but has no true Tenno power, because there's no Operator involved. So, to defeat something of immense power, an alliance forms. The Tenno and Umbra work together in temporary Transference, using Umbra's inherent powerful stats, and some OP Focus powers and tactical training from the Tenno. Forever afterward, you cannot ever own Umbra....but you can call in favours. I can see them implementing a system somewhere between Nitain Alerts and Fissure missions, where several times a day, you get Umbra Objectives. Join with Umbra and lend it your power to carry out a random mission which is Sortie-level hard, and in return gain a token, a favour Umbra owes you. Call in the token to be able to Transfer into and use Umbra for one mission of your own. Ive been wondering about thif for a while and if it happens, the jimmys will be rustled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornWithTeeth Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 1 minute ago, (XB1)MK Ultra K11 said: Ive been wondering about thif for a while and if it happens, the jimmys will be rustled. Won't it be amazing? It'll be like Christmas morning, and I'll make mimosa out of tears! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arch111 Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 So you get to grind for something that gives you access to a special grind that grants you a special piece of gear that allows you to do the thing you really want to do for a limited amount of time, and then you repead the process forever? Yep. Sounds like every system Warframe has ever had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)MK Ultra K11 Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 59 minutes ago, BornWithTeeth said: Won't it be amazing? It'll be like Christmas morning, and I'll make mimosa out of tears! Depends on what you think of as amazing. Also those tears would be way to salty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornWithTeeth Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 11 minutes ago, (XB1)MK Ultra K11 said: Depends on what you think of as amazing. Also those tears would be way to salty. In all seriousness, I think doing it this way would be much more interesting and challenging than just saying "Umbra is an independent Warframe, whoops, not anymore, now you have a braindead zombie Umbra to pilot around. Have fun!" 2 hours ago, AntoineFlemming said: Well, apparently there's an Umbra "character." What if, we can use an Umbra warframe, but there's another independent Umbra that's a "renegade badass"? See, we CAN have both. Nope. Still strikes me as weird. Ever since, about, oh, March? Maybe even February? People have been saying "I bet Umbra is this mysterious badass ultra-renegade Warframe from a secret order of super amazingly cool Warframes who need no Operator!" and responding to that by effectively saying "...so let's kill it, skin it, lobotomise it, and use its tortured corpse as a suit!" strikes me as......a bit dissonant, really. I mean, which of these options do you actually want? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)ToothlessApollo Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 what if you have to catch all the rogue Umbra frames like Pokemon, fight them, subdue them, wield them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornWithTeeth Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 (edited) 5 minutes ago, (XB1)ToothlessApollo said: what if you have to catch all the rogue Umbra frames like Pokemon, fight them, subdue them, wield them. I'm not interested in enslaving something which can be proved to be sapient, though. If Umbra is a threat to my Operator, then I'll kill it. If not, it can go its own way. Edited July 20, 2016 by BornWithTeeth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)ToothlessApollo Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Just now, BornWithTeeth said: I'm not actually interested in enslaving something which can be proved to be sapient, though. If Umbra is a threat to my Operator, then I'll kill it. If not, it can go its own way. I never felt like the infested tissue was sentient. I always went under the assumption that the infested were pretty much zombies, same for anything controlled by infestation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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