Karamethien Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Inarticulate said: You clearly don't understand how status chance works with shotguns. You mean that pallets are proc on an individual basis? Except that proc are still based on actual damage as well. You can add 2 more additional elemental status mod for that extra 25% proc chance - so every shot will proc gas. Or you can add 2 more elemental mod for another extra (90% vs 60% on each mod) 60% elemental damage - when it procs gas will do 60% more dmg. Edited August 24, 2016 by Karamethien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayabusa97 Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 1 hour ago, cookieknife said: not everyone has all 4 status mods though, the shell shock one is impossible to get either way Oh right, I forgot that the only way to get 100% on a 30% proc shotgun is to either toss on all 4 Elemental mods or just toss 3 on there and toss Nano Applicator on there, all of them being rare Toxic Barrage is a Corrupt Vor drop Frigid Blast is a Tier 3 Spy drop with all vaults Shell Shock is a Hive cache drop with all caches Scattering Inferno is a Tier 2 or Moon spy drop with all caches Nano Applicator is an Acolyte mod and one of the mods not added to Moon Spy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inarticulate Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 15 minutes ago, brainjelly2g0 said: I'm keeping my 4 forma Sancti for damage builds, because 60k is enough. But when I saw the 30% status chance, I had to change my pants. The reload speed could be buffed, but the Tigris Prime is obviously equal to the Sancti, and that makes me happy. I highly suggest trying out a Radiation-Viral build for raw damage (massive synergy between Viral and Slash procs) or a Corrosive-Blast build for CC (it takes 3 duplexes instead of 2 with Radiation-Viral to take out a level 100 Corrupted Heavy Gunner, but you get a reliable Blast CC instead). Both are possible with only 1 Forma. Just now, Karamethien said: You mean that pallets are proc on an individual basis? Except that proc are still based on actual damage as well. You can add 2 more additional elemental status mod for that extra 25% proc chance - so every shot will proc gas. Or you can add 2 more elemental mod for another extra (90% vs 60% on each mod) 60% elemental damage - when it procs gas will do 60% more dmg. Do the math Already did the math: https://forums.warframe.com/topic/691450-tigris-prime-vs-sancti-tigris/#comment-7714157 Here's some of the other information you may want to know based on how math works with probability: At 100% status chance (before calculating multishot), each pellet of the Tigris Prime has a 100% chance to proc a status. At 99% status chance (before calculating multishot), each pellet has only a 44% chance to proc a status. With your build of 48% status chance (before calculating multishot), each pellet has only an 8% chance to proc a status. Note that multishot doesn't change the chance to proc per pellet; it just increases the number of pellets, which is why the Arsenal shows a higher status chance. This is why 100% status chance is important for a status shotgun. With 100% status chance, the Tigris Prime procs an average of 17.6 status procs per shot, one for each pellet. With 99% status, the Tigris Prime procs an average of 7.7 status procs per shot. With your build of 48% status chance, the Tigris Prime procs an average of 1.4 status procs per shot. Sure, each proc will do more damage, but you're getting 13 times fewer procs. This is why stacking your status chance to 100% is more important for proc damage than stacking raw damage when using a shotgun. This is why I say you clearly have no idea how status works on shotguns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tutzdes Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 3 minutes ago, Inarticulate said: -about importance of the 100% status chance on shotties- I was writing the comment about this, but this post pretty much concludes the topic +1 21 minutes ago, Karamethien said: You mean that pallets are proc on an individual basis? Except that proc are still based on actual damage as well. You can add 2 more additional elemental status mod for that extra 25% proc chance - so every shot will proc gas. Or you can add 2 more elemental mod for another extra (90% vs 60% on each mod) 60% elemental damage - when it procs gas will do 60% more dmg. You either have 100% proc chance or don't. It is a deal breaker. This makes Tigris Prime a considerably more potent weapon against targets that don't die in one shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misgenesis Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 That 5% bump in status alone is enough for me to get it and use it along Sancti. Its achieved its sidegrade status as far as im concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rakosta_Kai Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 No winning for DE on this item... Sancti is so good that any clear-cut improvement on the Prime model would be called power-creep at best and OP at worst. A Primed Tigris that's roughly equivalent to the Sancti would be viewed as a side or downgrade because it lacks the syndicate proc. So Tigris Prime is stuck with the options of being either "power-creep", "OP", or "meh". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookieknife Posted August 25, 2016 Author Share Posted August 25, 2016 36 minutes ago, Hayabusa97 said: Oh right, I forgot that the only way to get 100% on a 30% proc shotgun is to either toss on all 4 Elemental mods or just toss 3 on there and toss Nano Applicator on there, all of them being rare Toxic Barrage is a Corrupt Vor drop Frigid Blast is a Tier 3 Spy drop with all vaults Shell Shock is a Hive cache drop with all caches Scattering Inferno is a Tier 2 or Moon spy drop with all caches Nano Applicator is an Acolyte mod and one of the mods not added to Moon Spy i have 2 out of three, im not wasting my time on all the rng just to make a boring shotgun good.. its boring thats all it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltage Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 (edited) 1 forma = 100% status. much more fun than sancti for me. although I still own sancti for the damage Edited August 25, 2016 by -Voltage- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sartactics Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 The only thing I don't like about the Tigris Prime is that it doesn't have 3 round mag like it did in the trailer. But being the Collector as I am, I'm pretty pleased with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eidolon_Slayer Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 I was hoping for 3 barrels, and 3 shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderZsolt Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 14 hours ago, blackheartstar_pc said: I'd go the next step and say far from impossible. Just equip either Thieves Wit or Animal Instinct and pay attention. that wouldn't help finding sabotage caches, because you can't pick those up, so they won't show on your minimap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vuli Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 16 hours ago, Inarticulate said: The only things that survive half of a shot are high-level heavy units. Save the other half of a shot for a second enemy. It's your own fault if you're too lazy to do so. Wow, slinging out insults because I have a different opinion? Nice. Notice I said "one" shot in parenthesis? I'm well aware of the stupid hold down the trigger/roll/interrupt to make the gun have "two" shots. My point stands, a 1.8 second reload for "one" or """"""two"""""" shots is way too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrymm Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, Krumplifej said: that wouldn't help finding sabotage caches, because you can't pick those up, so they won't show on your minimap. Unless something changed(and it may have, it's been awhile since I did any cache searching), Sabotage caches show up on radar with animal instinct and thieves wit. A way to test this is to drag an ignis(or something else with huge AE and punch through) into a mission like that and give everything a good hosing down. Let carrier pick it all up and if there is still a blip behind a wall, that means something is stuck down and/or didn't get destroyed----usually a cache. Edited August 25, 2016 by Thrymm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)lhbuch Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 It is a MR 13 weapon that will shine if you use difficult to get mods. I dont think this is a surprise. This 5% increased status MEANS a lot for a status shotgun. I love Vaykor Hek and Sancti Tigris but they cant strip armor of a level 140 Corrupted Heavy Gunner as fast as Strun Wraith ( Try it in simulacrum). This makes the possibility to use the Tigris Prime in a different way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealPandemonium Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 17 hours ago, Karamethien said: Or you can add 2 more elemental mod for another extra (90% vs 60% on each mod) 60% elemental damage - when it procs gas will do 60% more dmg. Status damage is not boosted by elemental mods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voltocitygel Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 5 hours ago, RetiredEdgeLord said: I was hoping for 3 barrels, and 3 shots. That would have been interesting. Might have ruined the Tigris aesthetic though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eidolon_Slayer Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 18 minutes ago, voltocitygel said: That would have been interesting. Might have ruined the Tigris aesthetic though Well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)WINDMILEYNO Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 Just now, RetiredEdgeLord said: Well... Hide contents That is smexy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eidolon_Slayer Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 1 minute ago, (PS4)WINDMILEYNO said: That is smexy Or this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epsik-kun Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 20 hours ago, cookieknife said: I dont see any reason why this should be used over Sancti. "I don't see any reason why the best solo shotgun in the game should be used over something that terribly falls off against armor" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)CitrusTheNile Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 I can kill a 110 level heavy gunner in 6 shots with the tigris prime and 8 shots with the sancti tigris. So my plan is to use the tigris prime for assassination missions and use the sancti tigris for missions that have multiple targets i.e. prime is single target and sancti is more AOE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SquireAngel Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 34 minutes ago, Epsik-kun said: "I don't see any reason why the best solo shotgun in the game should be used over something that terribly falls off against armor" So much this. I love the Boar Prime and Strun wraith, two of my current go to status shotties, so even as far as status shotguns, it offers variety within that department. Boar is full auto, Strun is semi with decent clip, and now Tigris P is duplex auto. On top of that, Slash is the best primary damage proc, and hell if the TP doesn't have a crap ton of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spergin_McBadposter Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 Since we're on status, it's a good time to point out that the status chance listed ingame is the chance that at least one of the pellets/bullets in the shot will proc. This is why status chance appears to rise on the stats screen when you add a multishot mod to a gun. The formula for that displayed chance is: displayed_chance = 1 - (1 - chance_per_pellet) ^ number_of_pellets Since we know the ingame displayed chance (30%) and number of pellets this gun fires (8), we can work backwards to get the chance_per_pellet. 0.3 = 1 - (1 - chance_per_pellet) ^ 8 0.7 = (1 - chance_per_pellet) ^ 8 0.95639 = 1 - chance_per_pellet (rounded left side of the equals sign to 5 decimal places) 0.04361 = chance_per_pellet (rounded left side of equals to 5 decimals places again) So each pellet in the shot of an unmodded tigris prime has about a 4.361% chance to proc a status effect. IIRC if it's a type of proc that can deal additional damage (e.g. slash, fire, toxin, electric) it only uses the damage of the pellets that actually procced as the "base" damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inarticulate Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 46 minutes ago, (XB1)CitrusTheNile said: I can kill a 110 level heavy gunner in 6 shots with the tigris prime and 8 shots with the sancti tigris. So my plan is to use the tigris prime for assassination missions and use the sancti tigris for missions that have multiple targets i.e. prime is single target and sancti is more AOE. The Sancti Tigris is better for Infested due to the faster reload and syndicate proc. It's arguably better than the Tigris Prime against unarmored enemies in general for the same reasons. The greater damage of the Tigris Prime is not much of a factor because one-shotting an enemy with more damage is the same as one-shotting an enemy with less damage. The Tigris Prime may fare a bit better in situations where you're shooting at longer range (where damage falloff may prevent you from one-shotting), but I haven't done enough comparison testing to really say. The Tigris Prime blows the Sancti Tigris out of the water against high-level armored targets due to reliable and very heavy-hitting Slash procs. It's a great weapon for solo Grineer Sorties and the like. 38 minutes ago, SquireAngel said: So much this. I love the Boar Prime and Strun wraith, two of my current go to status shotties, so even as far as status shotguns, it offers variety within that department. Boar is full auto, Strun is semi with decent clip, and now Tigris P is duplex auto. On top of that, Slash is the best primary damage proc, and hell if the TP doesn't have a crap ton of it. You know, the Boar Prime and Strun Wraith are the only other status shotguns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobWasHere Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 Tigris P and Sancti is where Boltor P and Telos is. One is sidegrade of another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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