(PSN)Xx-Ribbium-xX Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 Literally getting 1 shot by nikana primes and ack dark daggers constantly. getting staggered while I'm airborn doing 1-3 damage while shooting at them with a burston prime solution: add stamina bar so you can only melee a certain amount of times channeling melee drains 5 energy per second blocking drains stamina and energy and is less effective remove stagger from all melee weapons apart from throwing melee reduce movement speed while channeling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
War-. Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 (edited) 3 minutes ago, (PS4)Xx-Ribbium-xX said: add stamina bar oh god. long time ago stamina bar.. oh boi. in conclave, is a nice idea. Edited September 12, 2016 by -Shiva- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taiiat Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 3 minutes ago, (PS4)Xx-Ribbium-xX said: reduce movement speed while channeling that might be a good one. just the one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Xx-Ribbium-xX Posted September 12, 2016 Author Share Posted September 12, 2016 1 minute ago, taiiat said: that might be a good one. just the one. Everything I listed would balance conclave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mantasas17x Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 idk if u noticed but meele players gotta get close to you first. IF u cant abuse that , well then sir, i got bad news for you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeithanDiniem Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 14 minutes ago, (PS4)Xx-Ribbium-xX said: Everything I listed would balance conclave No, everything you listed you THINK will balance conclave. You never tested it to prove that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScorpioneITA Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 Oh yeah a meele 1 slicing you is a problem. but you using spray and pray guns is fine? meh w.e. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaterHowlett16 Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 19 minutes ago, (PS4)Xx-Ribbium-xX said: add stamina bar so you can only melee a certain amount of times NO This would SEVERELY hurt folks with blood-rush-related builds in which need to use it every 20 sec to keep your combo going. JUST NO! channeling melee drains 5 energy per second I think it does already (depending on your mod build) blocking drains stamina and energy and is less effective The stamina bar is gone and very few people miss having to "catch their breath" remove stagger from all melee weapons apart from throwing melee Why have impact damage then? because that is the main purpose for it. reduce movement speed while channeling Doesn't even make sense. What does channeling have to do with movement speed (unless you have a mod installed) ^ Also, seeing as you're new here, you should know that there was a time when melee sucked, JUST SUCKED, then DE worked their magic and brought it up. (this was around........hmmm let me see.....a while after second dream. That's when the acolytes started bullying salad v and such) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nazrethim Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 29 minutes ago, (PS4)Xx-Ribbium-xX said: -snip- Play Melee, talk to dedicated melee players. THEN post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanghije Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 I see you're console (PS4)Xx-Ribbium-xX. There should be an update coming your way addressing the melee power creep from previous PC updates. Only melee currently able to 1-2 shot players currently on PC is Jat Kittag, but that discussion will need its own thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirukaChan Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 Don't be a Jango Fett about it. If someone's approaching you while blocking with their melee weapon, instead of just trying to gun them down, put some distance between you and them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Double991 Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 Melee alone is not really a problem. It's when you combine one or a few of those players with a gun shooter. Focusing your attention on the shooter allows the melee user to sneak in cheap shots that they would normally never get. It's a lot harder to aim at people when you have a pack of rabid dogs biting at your heels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vyrn Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 (edited) 3 hours ago, CaterHowlett16 said: Also, seeing as you're new here, you should know that there was a time when melee sucked, JUST SUCKED, then DE worked their magic and brought it up. (this was around........hmmm let me see.....a while after second dream. That's when the acolytes started bullying salad v and such) ---------------------- Regarding OP, yeah, melee needs work. It's not perfect, but it's getting better. Adding a stamina bar would come with its own host of troubles and would most likely be highly controversial regardless of result (especially since people are very glad it got removed in the first place), though, so it might be best to keep things simple for now. Making channeling cost energy per period of time isn't going to do much good either, as more experienced players would simply tap channeling before making contact (or when getting shot at), severely reducing overall energy drain. Stagger and knockdown do need to go, however. At the very least, introducing some other effects (such as short slows, inability to bullet jump, etc.) would give the receiving players a chance to fight back instead of having control taken away entirely. I don't have strong feelings regarding the other points. Edited September 13, 2016 by Vyrndragon clarity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nighttide77 Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 Maybe melee needs to be balanced differently on consoles than on PC. Ever since the Great Era of S&B/Nikana Nerfs, I've barely seen any complaints about melee on PC, save for some about hammers and glaives...though thrown AOE glaives are a different issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nighttide77 Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 3 hours ago, KirukaChan said: Don't be a Jango Fett about it. I love this. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Xx-Ribbium-xX Posted September 13, 2016 Author Share Posted September 13, 2016 13 hours ago, CaterHowlett16 said: ^ Also, seeing as you're new here, you should know that there was a time when melee sucked, JUST SUCKED, then DE worked their magic and brought it up. (this was around........hmmm let me see.....a while after second dream. That's when the acolytes started bullying salad v and such) You do realise I'm talking about conclave right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Xx-Ribbium-xX Posted September 13, 2016 Author Share Posted September 13, 2016 14 hours ago, NeithanDiniem said: No, everything you listed you THINK will balance conclave. You never tested it to prove that. Sorry what? How can I oerso test this? Do I need to mod the game or something? Do you realise how stupid you sound lmao "test it bro" like wtf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Xx-Ribbium-xX Posted September 13, 2016 Author Share Posted September 13, 2016 (edited) 14 hours ago, mantasas17x said: idk if u noticed but meele players gotta get close to you first. IF u cant abuse that , well then sir, i got bad news for you! Oh sorry clearly you don't pl conclave to understand this so allow me to explain how melee in pvp works 1: you could fight a person with melee up close however because the melee user can stagger you and do more damage than you its not very smart being near one because you will die in a split second. 2: you could try and kill them at long range however as soon as a melee user (or any player) takes damage they run away and since people using melee are now faster with the sword alone mod they can escape at sonic speed making it impossible to shoot at them 3: you could use a teammate as bait however the teammate will most likely die giving the melee user a kill and depending on how glitchy the combos are you might not even kill the melee user because of how the hit boxes are during the combos making this method about 60% effective also blocking with melee is stupidly effective so if the combo requires you to hold the block button then they damage you do will be reduced Edited September 13, 2016 by (PS4)Xx-Ribbium-xX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Xx-Ribbium-xX Posted September 13, 2016 Author Share Posted September 13, 2016 (edited) Literally getting 1 shot by nikana primes and ack dark daggers constantly. getting staggered while I'm airborn doing 1-3 damage while shooting at them with a burston prime solution: add stamina bar so you can only melee a certain amount of times channeling melee drains 5 energy per second blocking drains stamina and energy and is less effective remove stagger from all melee weapons apart from throwing melee reduce movement speed while channeling methods of fighting a melee user with a gun: 1: you could fight a person with melee up close however because the melee user can stagger you and do more damage than you its not very smart being near one because you will die in a split second. 2: you could try and kill them at long range however as soon as a melee user (or any player) takes damage they run away and since people using melee are now faster with the sword alone mod they can escape at sonic speed making it impossible to shoot at them 3: you could use a teammate as bait however the teammate will most likely die giving the melee user a kill and depending on how glitchy the combos are you might not even kill the melee user because of how the hit boxes are during the combos making this method about 60% effective also blocking with melee is stupidly effective so if the combo requires you to hold the block button then they damage you do will be reduced Edited September 13, 2016 by [DE]Taylor removed megathread tag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustOR1G1N Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 All I can see here: "I can't beat them! Nerf them please!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapiddragon Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 Charge them with your Rhino. It always works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeiss17 Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 Megathread tag is mod only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serinexxa Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 My "Prova of Justice" could use more damage output as far as melee goes. I mean I can easily 1-shot Phorid with others but it falls behind. Good for stunlocking and blocking at least. Though if I'm about to be on the receiving end of a Galantine Prime then I'll just drop my Prova, drop my Dera, and roll off the nearest cliff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirukaChan Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 The megathread tag may be for DE use only, but some thread merging still needs to be done in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Alphonso-Alonso Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 (edited) I know everyone is tripping over themselves to be the cool guy in the room but... I don't think half of you realize this is a conclave thread...OP isn't asking for PvE melee to be nerfed, just for PVP melee to be nerfed. Although with this community, I could see why you'd make that mistake, but if this were a PVE nerf thread then there'd be a lot more people agreeing and a lot more naysayers being called "noobs" or "Ash users". This thread brought to you by the supportive and helpful members of Destiny Year One The Warframe Community. Edited September 13, 2016 by (PS4)El__Lobo_Loco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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