IX-44 Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 We just went full 180-flip with Carrier now. Before, Carrier had a debatably "required" mod of having a loot vacuum. Now, Carrier has ammo mutations for all of your weapons (which also has an insane conversion rate) as well as buffing the size of your ammo surplus for all of your weapons. Before, you could take others or take Carrier. There really was no downside besides potential efficiency in picking up loot. Now, you'd be stupid not to take Carrier IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbeest Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 I rarely need ammo conversion mods so I don't know why I should use the Carrier for it's new mod? I mean, I have a 12 meter loot pick up radius- oh. Wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiancaRoughfin Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Sorry, dont use Ammo Conversion mods. Not even with the Amprex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relentless.Zen Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 6 minutes ago, tbeest said: I rarely need ammo conversion mods so I don't know why I should use the Carrier for it's new mod? I mean, I have a 12 meter loot pick up radius- oh. Wait. well the pox for example is an incredibly awesome weapon which can be used very effective now. The old ammo max was bs but now you can use it to the highest potency. I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xzorn Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Carrier remains a #1 pick for any endurance runner like myself. Maybe they should just turn it into a can of corn. That might get people to pick the other worthless companions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[DE]Momaw Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Sure if you are using a really hungry gun then Carrier looks like a good option. But not all guns have ammo problems. If your gun doesn't have ammo problems, why would you use Carrier as opposed to something that offers CC or debuffing? Choices are the name of the game here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nep_Blanc Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 (edited) Don't get me wrong but, really a 6 meter effective range? RLY NOW??? Before After So just to get it straight: Nerf Vacuum on its own right with 50% less range and give it to all sentinels. WUT REALLY??? Give carrier one of the most useless/usefull mods that could exist for him, although hey more weapons get a little buff to ammo conversion. Resulting in making normal ammo conversion mods USELESS, and yes making up for more modding space in weapons. Although I had no issues with ammo I think I now am gonna get issues because of the Mediocre range of the Vacuum passive. I think that the passive itself can be buffed to counter the loss of range we have now it should be 12 meters and nothing less. Chao, The Roaring Lion Edited October 5, 2016 by TheRoaringLion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xzorn Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 You'll prolly not get much understanding as to how good innate ammo mutation is. Most players hardly spend 5 minutes in a mission let alone an hour+ where ammo mutation is amazing for just about every weapon in the game short of a few Damage per shot weapons like Hek, Lex,, Marelok and Tigris. It even allows you to more freely consider mods like Vile Acceleration where otherwise ammo efficiency would outweigh the gains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSG501 Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 I've got all of the sentinels except wyrm prime and carrier (sold it when I got prime version) and I still see no reason to pick anything other than the carrier (prime)... strong stats and still has arguably the most useful precept for most people, especially as it seems to stack with ammo mutation mods (and I assume max ammo...) The only things I'd consider using over the carrier are the kavats/kubrows (although chesa kubrow is about as useful as vacuum is at 6m) but due to the 'tests' that the devs want to do they don't get vacuum yet if at all.. Carrier - precepts work consistently at all levels Deathcube - precepts fall off at higher level Diriga - precepts work ok if you're in one place but they're just not exactly useful when running around, again they fall off at higher levels Djinn - fatal attraction draws enemies to you... um yeah lets just not bother with that one at high levels shall we Helios - I get to scan things for the codex.....yeah thats useful when it's full, doesn't even scan kavat dna or gain cephalon points Shade - supposedly turns us invisible when an enemy is near.... usually it happens after I've killed said enemy. Wyrm - can't really say I've seen the precept do much... Kubrows/Kavats have their own issues admittedly but you can revive them unlike sentinels and some people would rather have a 'pet' than a robot with them.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nep_Blanc Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 4 minutes ago, Xzorn said: You'll prolly not get much understanding as to how good innate ammo mutation is. Most players hardly spend 5 minutes in a mission let alone an hour+ where ammo mutation is amazing for just about every weapon in the game short of a few Damage per shot weapons like Hek, Lex,, Marelok and Tigris. It even allows you to more freely consider mods like Vile Acceleration where otherwise ammo efficiency would outweigh the gains. I do but still DID NOT need the ammo conversion and btw I stacked ammo resupplies for those kind of situations that you may need ammo. And owh lets look when you are into long missions then probably your little Carrier is dead and you can't get ammo conversion at all. Also just saying his ammo conversion is nice but an unwelcome change to the vacuum range that makes it sour for me. I already walked in and feel that the whole passive is mediocre and not even needed because most of the time I have to walk OVER the freaking loot before it gets towards me. I don't know but or just buff the passive because this mediocre range is not enough most of the cases. Chao, The Roaring Lion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[DE]Momaw Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 14 minutes ago, LSG501 said: Wyrm - can't really say I've seen the precept do much... Knocks down everybody within 10 meters every 15 seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xzorn Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 16 minutes ago, TheRoaringLion said: I do but still DID NOT need the ammo conversion and btw I stacked ammo resupplies for those kind of situations that you may need ammo. And owh lets look when you are into long missions then probably your little Carrier is dead and you can't get ammo conversion at all. Also just saying his ammo conversion is nice but an unwelcome change to the vacuum range that makes it sour for me. I already walked in and feel that the whole passive is mediocre and not even needed because most of the time I have to walk OVER the freaking loot before it gets towards me. I don't know but or just buff the passive because this mediocre range is not enough most of the cases. Chao, The Roaring Lion The only weapon I've ever used ammo conversion for is Aksomati because it's DPS made up for the mod slot. Otherwise I refuse to run it. In my eyes if a weapon requires ammo mutation it's not worth using. I use ammo supplies as well but in case of Carrier you may no longer need to and can even consider RoF on some of the mid range ammo economy weapons. I don't think it's worth the Vacuum nerf at all. I'd rather this entire waste of time be reverted. What you're noticing with Vacuum not responding is actually a previous Vacuum nerf they did about a month ago. They called it a fix. I'll see if I can find it. But it had something to do with the update timers on Vacuum being lowered and ever since that update Vacuum doesn't respond to loot all the time, it's made worse by the shorter radius as before an item would spend longer within range and it would update the pickup in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xzorn Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 15 minutes ago, Momaw said: Knocks down everybody within 10 meters every 15 seconds. Are you talking about melee slam attacks? Cuz those don't have a cooldown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnthesteak87 Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 (edited) Carrier becomes even more mandatory. Ammos and pickups becomes even more useless. Ammo Auras becomes even more irrilevant.. Edited October 26, 2016 by Burnthesteak87 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSG501 Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 13 minutes ago, Momaw said: Knocks down everybody within 10 meters every 15 seconds. I know what it's supposed to do, but I can't say I've seen it happen.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[DE]Momaw Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Just now, LSG501 said: I know what it's supposed to do, but I can't say I've seen it happen.... Well, it does only go off if there's more than 1 enemy near you. Maybe you're really pro at not being surrounded? I dunno. Works fine here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o.0- Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 180? With what you imply in your OP. We're going to turn this situation (team) around 360 degrees! - Jason Kidd Because you see: Spoiler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volinus7 Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 Automatic and continuous firing weapons don't exist in this game. Aside from popping bubbles they're inferior to shotgun and aoe weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nep_Blanc Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 7 minutes ago, Volinus7 said: Automatic and continuous firing weapons don't exist in this game. Aside from popping bubbles they're inferior to shotgun and aoe weapons. "Spawns Clem in mission" PRRRRRRRRRRT "uses tonkor all the time" CLEM CLEM PRRRRRT Bam Null dead. donnow never consider some high fire rate weapons, they just don't scale right. Chao, The Roaring Lion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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