Redeemer Pellets No Longer Add To Combo Counter

[YagoXiten]

What it says on the tin.

Redeemer's charge attacks and attacks made with Bullet Dance no longer increase the melee combo counter by 10 per attack. This is a massive nerf to the weapon, and had been that way for a considerable amount of time. They should change it back. It was not as if it were overpowered. I haven't had the time to test if it works with Electric Shield, but if they 'fixed' that, too, I'm going to be very upset. It was a very unique synergy that it had, and I'll miss it dearly.

[ograzzt]

It was too good to last long.

[Hemmo67]

hmm this can't be true c_c i just used redeemer on sortie 3 and i got into combo counter x2 by killing one lancer c.c

and it was 2 shots

[KirukaChan]

Was it in any recent patch notes? It might just be a bug if it isn't. DE doesn't do stealth nerfs, after all.

[(PSN)joshw1400]

10 minutes ago, Hemmo67 said:

hmm this can't be true c_c i just used redeemer on sortie 3 and i got into combo counter x2 by killing one lancer c.c

and it was 2 shots

Same

[Imaru]

12 minutes ago, KirukaChan said:

Was it in any recent patch notes? It might just be a bug if it isn't. DE doesn't do stealth nerfs, after all.

Though that sounds like resounding sarcasm, they usually don't nerf things without putting it in the patch notes. The only reason "stealth nerfs" normally happen is that there is so much stuff going on with patches that some things can fall through the cracks. 

[KirukaChan]

30 minutes ago, Imaru said:

Though that sounds like resounding sarcasm, they usually don't nerf things without putting it in the patch notes. The only reason "stealth nerfs" normally happen is that there is so much stuff going on with patches that some things can fall through the cracks. 

It's less sarcasm, and more like what I sincerely hope is true. DE said they don't do stealth nerfs, after all, so I want to give them the benefit of the doubt whenever something like this pops up.

[Brasten]

Possible bug. Per-Pellet hit registering is funky. I'm shooting at Level 140 Sensor Regulator Eximus at point bank range, and it sometimes registers only 1 hit, sometimes more. Sometimes I can get more than 10 if I can get punch through its on the Regulator(s) behind my target, other times even with punch through it still only tracks 1 hit.

Although the multi-hit-per-pellet count was already kind of a unintended function, kinda like copptering or reload canceling.

[Imaru]

Just now, KirukaChan said:

It's less sarcasm, and more like what I sincerely hope is true. DE said they don't do stealth nerfs, after all, so I want to give them the benefit of the doubt whenever something like this pops up.

I wasn't saying you were being sarcastic, as sarcasm transfers poorly (re: not at all) through text. The way I read it, it seemed sarcastic. 

 

Back to the topic at hand, I assume it is either a bug or something that fell through the cracks when the shipped the update. 

[YagoXiten]

If others are reporting that it worked in the Sortie, perhaps it's only an issue when solo? Or perhaps it's an issue if one pellet is fatal?

[LascarCapable]

I actually though that Redeemer earning combo counters through shots was a bug all along. I guess we will need the word of someone from staff about it.

This said, moving to PC beta bugs subforums.

[taiiat]

why did you expect to get 10 hits from a single Melee Attack?

it was a bug that it was doing that in the first place.

Edited October 14, 2016 by taiiat

[ograzzt]

1 hour ago, KirukaChan said:

DE said they don't do stealth nerfs, after all, so I want to give them the benefit of the doubt whenever something like this pops up.

They definetly do stealth nerfs, but this time it obviously was a bug fix, not a nerf. 

[YagoXiten]

5 hours ago, ograzzt said:

They definetly do stealth nerfs, but this time it obviously was a bug fix, not a nerf. 

It still is a nerf, and it still wasn't listed in the patch notes.

As far as why this isn't a 'bug fix'? It was there for months. It was never discussed as a bug, it was never reported as a bug. It just was a thing. It was discussed many times on this forum as a positive point for the weapon, especially after the Shadow Debt mods came out.
 

[YagoXiten]

6 hours ago, taiiat said:

why did you expect to get 10 hits from a single Melee Attack?

it was a bug that it was doing that in the first place.

Because the only thing that's changed is the Redeemer's scaling with the Shadow Debt mods. And, even with those and Bullet Dance, it was, at most, top tier competitive, and by no means the best. There are other melee weapons that strike multiple times with a single button press (such as the Kogake/Obex or whips with the Coiling Viper stance), and their hits count individually. 

5 hours ago, ograzzt said:

They definetly do stealth nerfs, but this time it obviously was a bug fix, not a nerf. 

It's a very long standing 'bug' then.

[taiiat]

34 minutes ago, YagoXiten said:

There are other melee weapons that strike multiple times with a single button press

yes... and those are supposed to be doing that.

[YagoXiten]

2 minutes ago, taiiat said:

yes... and those are supposed to be doing that.

And why is the Redeemer /not/ supposed to do that?

[taiiat]

4 minutes ago, YagoXiten said:

And why is the Redeemer /not/ supposed to do that?

because this is how you do that, with a Gunsword.

just like those are how you do that, with any other Melee Weapon.

[YagoXiten]

54 minutes ago, taiiat said:

because this is how you do that, with a Gunsword.

just like those are how you do that, with any other Melee Weapon.

Except it no longer counts as multiple hits anymore? And that's the entire issue.

[taiiat]

1 minute ago, YagoXiten said:

Except it no longer counts as multiple hits anymore? And that's the entire issue.

any parts of the Animation Strings that attack Multiple times, will hit multiple times.

it's a very simple concept.