Noobverest Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 To be honest, I keep thinking they're leaving out Banshee for the Umbra line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obviousclone Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 My issue with valkyr prime being a thing is the past few primed frames have also come with reworks to parts of their kit Nekros being the most recent and also having some of the biggest changes (shadows of the dead and desecrate basically being "changed" both positively and negatively). I don't think a pattern has been set in stone though, so it's entirely feasible that they keep valkyr as is for her primed release and not change up her kit. And who knows, maybe the changes will be for the better and ripline will actually work as a viable melee gapcloser. Though given what I've seen happen to mag and her pull still being awful, I'm still holding doubts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noobverest Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 4 minutes ago, Obviousclone said: My issue with valkyr prime being a thing is the past few primed frames have also come with reworks to parts of their kit Nekros being the most recent and also having some of the biggest changes (shadows of the dead and desecrate basically being "changed" both positively and negatively). I don't think a pattern has been set in stone though, so it's entirely feasible that they keep valkyr as is for her primed release and not change up her kit. And who knows, maybe the changes will be for the better and ripline will actually work as a viable melee gapcloser. Though given what I've seen happen to mag and her pull still being awful, I'm still holding doubts. Warframe has been doing their primes based on when they first came out. It's why every veteran can predict what the next prime will be, and what the next prime to be vaulted is. Banshee has been kicked out of the line by Nova prime, Saryn Prime, and now Valkyr prime. It's also why I think they're deliberately not making Banshee a prime because she might be better as a part of that Umbra line that we may be getting soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ailissa Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 (edited) I'd love Banshee or Valkyr Primes but I won't be spending money. £50 for the frame access and £92 for the full package. For one single frame. More than the cost of a full AAA title. No thanks. Edited November 17, 2016 by Ailissa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zachles Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 I wanted Banshee Prime too. But to be fair, they did say that not all Warframes would be Prime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elindiir Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 I think that Valkyr is easier to prime than a frame that needs a rework when resources had been tied up for so long... I'm sure DE would have liked to have gotten to Banshee, but with other certain projects taking up resources, it is more practical to re-skin a popular frame and tweak a number or 2. Balancing a full new kit is costly, and probably the hardest part of the creation process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentCynic Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Another fact to consider is that it's Christmas time. As DE has shown in the past, with Nova Prime and Soma Prime, they make sure to have a Prime Access pack available that appeals to the most players. This is just money talking, and I don't mean that in the stereotypical corporations-are-evil sense. It's financially smart of DE to prime a more popular frame during a time when people are more inclined to spend money. I adore my Banshee, though, and hopefully she's next on the list to get gilded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)TertulSee Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 (edited) I think they delayed Banshee Prime because they wanted to release her with the MusicFrame. The MusicFrame won't be out for a while so it would make sense for them to skip Banshee then release her alongside the Music Frame. Banshee deserves more than just a normal Prime release. Valkyr doesn't really have much in the first place. So logic. Edited November 17, 2016 by (PS4)godlysparta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5HV3N Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 (edited) Why everybody acts so suprised? If anything, I'm suprised that valkyr skipping banshe is bigger concern than fact that we're getting cernos prime. Yet again top tier syndicate weapon is getting primed. Why? Edited November 17, 2016 by 5HV3N Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DatDarkOne Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 1 minute ago, 5HV3N said: Why everybody acts so suprised? If anything, I'm suprised that valkyr skipping banshe is bigger concern than fact that we're getting cernos prime. Yet again top tier syndicate weapon is getting primed. Why? The Cernos isn't top tier synd weapon. The Rakta Cernos is. They are two different bows. I am surprised that DE isn't doing the Daikyu instead of another Cernos variant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeiss17 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 12 hours ago, -1459.Voltage- said: DE, First Nova screwed up the prime releases, now banshee gets the short end of the stick? I love Valkyr, Eternal War with 299% strength is very fun with slow melees. I would have loved banshee prime. Is it because of money, and you know people will spend money on Hysteria Prime? Kind of sad Banshee isn't played by much, she is very powerful yet squishy. Dude, chill. Now you know that Crab Head's 100% next in the line. You ain't dying you know? 11 hours ago, (PS4)Lei-Lei_23 said: It's the community projections that hyped and made the release of Banshee Prime Access that more appealing at this time of the year, and yet it's Valkyr Prime instead. Usually aforementioned projections are accurate, and that is "the order of precedence" in conjunction with Warframe release order. Still, this is set to change at DE's whim regardless of community reaction/feedback. Having to wait several more months for Banshee Prime, though... That doggo is so cute I WANNA PET HIM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thundervision Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Just two words: business and money. I was sure it will be Banshee this time (at that moment i forgot about Nova Prime), but when we found out that it will be Valkyr, ah well. The thing is, no matter how much i love Banshee: DS#65: Quote • Least Used Warframe: Banshee• Second Place: (PC/XB1): Limbo• Second Place: (PS4): Zephyr• Third Place (PC/XB1): Zephyr • Third Place (PS4): Limbo Speaks for itself, Deluxe skin probably changed it a bit and yet still... Nova Prime broke the Prime order (after Nyx Prime, people were expecting to see Saryn, Trin or Banshee Prime, but nope) simply because of Xmas and New Year being within a Prime Acces period. Since Nova Prime was (and still is) popular and Soma Prime was a wet dream for some DPS players, I'm sure that the cash skyrocketed compared to other PAs, thanks to multiple factors: popularity, holidays, Soma ;D The excuse (IMO) was pretty lame (and basically, similar to claiming that Multishot not consuming ammo was a bug, uhuh, like 2-2.5y later) but it was a sign. Same goes for Valkyr. It would be a really bad decision to put Banshee Prime in PA instead of Cheese Queen. Valkyr is pretty popular, the reasons vary from her bootyful assets and cheesy Ulti to her look and stats, (and she can be a meta at certain moments of time like Tactical Alerts, events etc.). Now she will be much more cheesy, esp. if the Index rolls out later after her or at the same time. Valkyr is much more popular than Banshee => more cash; Xmas and New Year dates within upcoming PA => much more cash. However, I find it really weird that we are going to see Cernos Prime. Venka simply fits Valkyr theme. I think that Tiberon or Akjagara would fit more. Welp, hope that Banshee Prime comes with Tiberon Prime. Also, I'd expect Mirage/Mesa Prime as the next Xmas PA (Zephyr currently falls into Banshee's friendzone category, heheh) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Lei-Lei_23 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 3 hours ago, ShaneKahnnigan17 said: That doggo is so cute I WANNA PET HIM! No pet, no touch. Or else will chew on Valkyr Collector's statuette and poop her head out after next meal and make it look like krab meat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeiss17 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 9 minutes ago, (PS4)Lei-Lei_23 said: No pet, no touch. Or else will chew on Valkyr Collector's statuette and poop her head out after next meal and make it look like krab meat. Reveal hidden contents NUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xFrostKnightx Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, Thundervision said: Spoiler Just two words: business and money. I was sure it will be Banshee this time (at that moment i forgot about Nova Prime), but when we found out that it will be Valkyr, ah well. The thing is, no matter how much i love Banshee: DS#65: Speaks for itself, Deluxe skin probably changed it a bit and yet still... Nova Prime broke the Prime order (after Nyx Prime, people were expecting to see Saryn, Trin or Banshee Prime, but nope) simply because of Xmas and New Year being within a Prime Acces period. Since Nova Prime was (and still is) popular and Soma Prime was a wet dream for some DPS players, I'm sure that the cash skyrocketed compared to other PAs, thanks to multiple factors: popularity, holidays, Soma ;D The excuse (IMO) was pretty lame (and basically, similar to claiming that Multishot not consuming ammo was a bug, uhuh, like 2-2.5y later) but it was a sign. Same goes for Valkyr. It would be a really bad decision to put Banshee Prime in PA instead of Cheese Queen. Valkyr is pretty popular, the reasons vary from her bootyful assets and cheesy Ulti to her look and stats, (and she can be a meta at certain moments of time like Tactical Alerts, events etc.). Now she will be much more cheesy, esp. if the Index rolls out later after her or at the same time. Valkyr is much more popular than Banshee => more cash; Xmas and New Year dates within upcoming PA => much more cash. However, I find it really weird that we are going to see Cernos Prime. Venka simply fits Valkyr theme. I think that Tiberon or Akjagara would fit more. Welp, hope that Banshee Prime comes with Tiberon Prime. Also , I'd expect Mirage/Mesa Prime as the next Xmas PA (Zephyr currently falls into Banshee's friendzone category, heheh) Yup finally someone who understands. I also predict Mirage to be after Valkyr. Zephyr is fun and all but she was before the mobility update which put her in the ground. Banshee has the same issue with that shes before a time where you can deal massive damage without needing a frame. Unless theres a rework for one of them, they will both be skipped in favour of mirage. Popularity > Sales > DE funding. DE will make almost 1/4 of other prime sales with those two unless they put a package only cosmetic thats highly desirable. Hopeful news though for Zephyr users, they did show a long time ago a test/idea model of Zephyr, perhaps a delux or prime but she has some hope given how much time its been in comparison to banshee who got a delux skin to keep those people content. Edited November 17, 2016 by xFrostKnightx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Solargeo Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 17 hours ago, Venom-Snake said: But think dude: Sexy Jester Prime. nah i want music maker prime before trouble maker prime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aligatorno Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 6 hours ago, (PS4)godlysparta said: I think they delayed Banshee Prime because they wanted to release her with the MusicFrame. The MusicFrame won't be out for a while so it would make sense for them to skip Banshee then release her alongside the Music Frame. Banshee deserves more than just a normal Prime release. Valkyr doesn't really have much in the first place. So logic. They said at Pax Aus that they plan to release Bard frame and Infested Frame this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Lei-Lei_23 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 8 minutes ago, aligatorno said: They said at Pax Aus that they plan to release Bard frame and Infested Frame this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aligatorno Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 3 minutes ago, (PS4)Lei-Lei_23 said: Hey, a man can at least dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Lei-Lei_23 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 2 minutes ago, aligatorno said: Hey, a man can at least dream. Dreams? Don't speak of dreams to me, my good man. Banshee Prime... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightmareT12 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 The order of frames is 100% decided on the march by DE. They meet, they decide what comes up next soon after the Prime Access releases, and then they start working from there. They're respectful for the order of release of course, but they take liberties accordingly. They'll hardly put up a Nova Prime every so often because it would make no real sense though. I doubt Banshee was simply given the kick for now because reasons. It's pretty obvious that she provides greats apsects, but I guess that her being one of the least played frame for a while have made DE decide to push Valkyr first now that there was Update madness around the office, and once time is more kind and Scott can finally give a proper look at her abilities (remember right now Ash's Bladestorm is coming and then we have Limbo up in the list), do it. On the Deluxe skins: At first they did the Dark Sector ones, then asked IgnisDei to do a few concepts (I guess he did whoever he chose and felt more comfortable with at the beginning at least), and then various people at the office have taken the initative taking a shot at doing their own vision of such a frame (Nova, Zephyr, Chroma). 2 hours ago, xFrostKnightx said: Yup finally someone who understands. I also predict Mirage to be after Valkyr. Zephyr is fun and all but she was before the mobility update which put her in the ground. Banshee has the same issue with that shes before a time where you can deal massive damage without needing a frame. Unless theres a rework for one of them, they will both be skipped in favour of mirage. Popularity > Sales > DE funding. DE will make almost 1/4 of other prime sales with those two unless they put a package only cosmetic thats highly desirable. Hopeful news though for Zephyr users, they did show a long time ago a test/idea model of Zephyr, perhaps a delux or prime but she has some hope given how much time its been in comparison to banshee who got a delux skin to keep those people content. If you're talking about the design of Zephyr with heavy and crazy wings, that was Kary's take on her Deluxe Skin. He ended up scrapping it though in favor of a more streamlined design with energy wings though. Guess that mesh looked like a nightmare to work on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Godx VeNuM Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Who wants a Teshin clone just imagine Clem and Teshin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SolaireTheSunWalker Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 20 hours ago, Major_Phantom said: Some of you are too salty about this I tihnk. Banshee and Valkyr are next, who cares in what order. Not like whining in the forum will make banshee prime come any sooner :/ Its highly likely banshe is next but until its confirmed you cant say shes next DE can pull a nova prime again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaFragolino Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 20 hours ago, Kazzamo said: Bansh-who? Ikr? I googled it and this came out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banshee Not sure why people want this thing to be primed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocknBoppers Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Don't worry guys, they'll release Banshee prime when they find a way to include parts of her base art into a brand new design and make it look good. Oh... wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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