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《 Sorties , RNG And The Need For A Token System 》


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I completely agree a token system is en excellent idea.

 

I also regrettably agree with the others that, in the long run, it might not work out. So, why not the best of both systems?

Keep the rivens, exlius, reactors, and catalysts, etc as bonus drops for when you complete the sortie (Legendary core is a given).

While having stuff like the nitain, focus lenses, endo, etc as token purchasable items. Anther thing to add in, something I have yet to see anyone here suggest, consumable items. Now off the top of my head I can't think of anything, but that would give people a real and long-term reason to spend and come back day after day.

Rivens would also start off as blanks, labeled only as "Riven Mod" so once you complete the challenge it randomly picks Rifle, second, or shotgun. Now with the help of Tokens you can make that Riven mod into a "Rifle Riven mod," or "Secondary Riven mod," or a "Shotgun Riven Mod."

 

P.S. Even if the rest of the above is a garbage idea, I still think you should still add in consumables items as token purchasables.

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Token systems have been nearly endlessly advocated for, and DE seems to either be blind to them, or simply don't want to do it. I can understand that the concept behind RNG is to give players a reason to continuously come back to the game on regular intervals, but the RNG system has been wildly out of control in Warframe for years. I personally think there's some guy at DE who gets hard everytime the RNG screws someone out of what they really want or need, and instead gives them 2000 endo in the case of sorties, or in the case of situations like Ivara or Nidus who are farmed from mission rewards (Ivara being unknown mission rewards that are cashed in after the mission), we get whatever else is on the pool instead of those frames (because after you have them you don't want it so the drops should naturally lower). Don't get me wrong, that endo will eventually be useful, but when there's already a 4000 endo reward on the table 2000 feels like a kick in the crotch.

 

I wholeheartedly agree that a token system is necessary, and should be implemented, however don't limit it to just sortie rewards, make them wide ranging to deal with the rampant disease that RNG has become. Some stuff needs to be left to RNG, like enemy X drops Y scenarios when it comes to mods, that's relatively fair, because whatever Y mod is, it's just a matter of grinding through a pile of them and multiple, possibly hundreds of that enemy (in the case of survival) will come out in a single mission. Stuff like warframe bits SHOULD be made more accessible than making us plow through seemingly endless fields of manure to finally find the needle in the crap stack. The token system, if implemented, should be more wide ranging to deal with theses scenarios, but new things (just released) should remain RNG only for about a month to prevent people from stockpiling a bazillion tokens and having the new stuff without having to work for it, since that would just reduce player attachment or interest in new things.

 

Also, I've seen a few saying this already, but we should get X tokens from sortie missions alongside and RNG reward. They can make the things we're looking for rarer on the RNG side so we dump tokens on them to keep us poor enough that we want to farm some stuff and flat out buy other things. I realize I've been talking about warframe bits quiet a bit here, but it's not like I'm particularly 'grumpy' with that in particular, it's just that it seems like a cheap shot at new players or returning vets who come back, see something frigging amazing, and then find out 2000 hours of grinding may be necessary to even begin the 3-5 day journey called warframe crafting. Some stuff like the Javlok's crafting component could be added to the token shop as well, because I feel like 'crafting supplies' are fair game for a token shop, as well as some rarities (like Rivens), but ultra rare treasure (like legendary cores) needs to be kept ultra rare to be really appreciated when you get it. I also really like the idea of Arcanes being token shop and raid only, because the RNG list on Sorties is bad enough already without having however many types of arcanes added to the RNG list making everything else rarer as a function of the way RNG works.

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9 minutes ago, Trichouette said:

A token system in sortie is relevant because you can only do the sortie ONCE per day.

Meanwhile you can run relics again and again

This. I'm only supporting tokens for sorties, and only because the drop tables are so full with zero-value stuff. RNG is fine for the rest of the game, even if you get something that you did not want it still always has value. Besides, with ducats we already have a token system attached to that.

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I totally agree with this idea for a token system. The Sortie Loot Tables as they are currently are just plain stupid. Point in case: I have been doing the sorties every day ever since the new changes, and not once have i got a Riven, which is SUPPOSED TO BE A COMMON DROP!!!!!

Sorties are a timesink, especially when you get a defence mission or bullet sponge assassination at the end. But the rewards don't justify the work you put in. Even with the newest changes, the sortie rewards tables suck. It's just a mass of frustration that angers players and puts you off ever doing a sortie.

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3 hours ago, HyokaChan said:

can we also do this for the void? Y'know, like with ducats?

Really only pushing for sorties because of the daily limit. Alot of days we tend to just avoid sorties because how much it stings getting a shotty reward.

Especially when your a heavy spender so most of the rewards are of no use.

RNG is good when done right , heck the amount of hours i have in diablo rifts is crazy. But i could run them back to back and push higher and higher increasing my chances. Especially because over time your chances increase of getting good rewards if you have been having bad rng.

Warframe does have alot to learn from games like that.

But for now let's do our best to sort out sorties. 😉

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8 minutes ago, Trichouette said:

With the recent events, that'll be hard. We've another proof of DE not caring.

Yeah what the pc users are saying... is insanely worrying about this update.

I've been trying to prepare and farm samples average a 3-5 an hour from Akkad. Not sure how we will get 5,000...... 😕

The boosters in sorties is an insult to spenders... I have over a year of boosters on so getting a 3 day booster would be worse than 2k Endo. 😕

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8 hours ago, (PS4)Mofojokers said:

We are now over the 200 mark and pushing towards 300 votes... hopefully we can make it clear that this needs to happen.

Hahaha!

 

If there's one thing we know about DE, it's that there can be a 20 page thread of people agreeing that Continuous trigger weapons requiring their mechanics looked at and nothing will happen. Meanwhile, one three-page thread asking for a nerf can easily make it happen.

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The WOW forums have been asking for a token system as well, with no response. I like the idea, but there must be a reason why devs won't comment on the topic. Psychologically I suspect it works the same way casino slot machines work. Pull the lever. Didn't get what you want? Try again! This could be your lucky day!

People get addicted to gambling so why wouldn't the same thing happen when implemented in a video game? 

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10 hours ago, HyokaChan said:

If there's one thing we know about DE, it's that there can be a 20 page thread of people agreeing that Continuous trigger weapons requiring their mechanics looked at and nothing will happen. Meanwhile, one three-page thread asking for a nerf can easily make it happen.

Well currently 62 pages complaining about mutagen sample cost, where are the devs ? :D

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Agreed, definetly some numbers need tweaked.  But it's a good example.  And then you could choose if you want a primary/secondary/melee riven mod.  Now the  rifle riven mod prices are going to sky rocket.  You can't get them anymore, until they put them all into the sortie which is going to make the rng on rivens completely insane.  A serious rework of the sortie system is needed.  It's sad that they haven't done something meaningful with it.  Honestly with the way they are now, it's not adding to the reasons to log in every day and play.  It's adding nothing.  I'd rather waste my time that it'd take to do the sortie doing something meaningful, like clean my house.  Give the dog a bath.  Clean out the litter box. Watch tv.  While i do do those things when needed, I'm not really having any reason to procrastinate on them.  And I'd rather do all of those things 200 times over before farming for 5k mutagen samples.  Like seriously... 

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On 24/12/2016 at 10:55 AM, HyokaChan said:

Hahaha!

 

If there's one thing we know about DE, it's that there can be a 20 page thread of people agreeing that Continuous trigger weapons requiring their mechanics looked at and nothing will happen. Meanwhile, one three-page thread asking for a nerf can easily make it happen.

All we can do is try , i do have my doubts but i have no intention of stopping. ☺

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in this week i got 4 time lens , 1 resource drop chance booster, 2k endo and today an affinity booster and look like the affinity booster glitch all the reward table of sortie...

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for the game i got all the reward from sortie, but i don't see a riven from... i don't know tbh cuz i don't take dat reward from loooong time.... now i'm really tired of this sortie reward... if we really want the token system we need find again all the moment when sheldon talk bout introduce this token system for sortie and do a petition to see how much people want or not token on sortie....

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4 hours ago, LIKE_A_PR3DAT0R said:

in this week i got 4 time lens , 1 resource drop chance booster, 2k endo and today an affinity booster and look like the affinity booster glitch all the reward table of sortie...

20161226182120_1.jpg

for the game i got all the reward from sortie, but i don't see a riven from... i don't know tbh cuz i don't take dat reward from loooong time.... now i'm really tired of this sortie reward... if we really want the token system we need find again all the moment when sheldon talk bout introduce this token system for sortie and do a petition to see how much people want or not token on sortie....

same issue here, got a credit booster and my reward pool looks exactly like yours....

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Like this idea, id be willing to do 2-3 sorties if it meant a guarantee i got a riven mod. think my last 10 sorties would be something like 2000 endo, 2000 endo, riven mod, 2000 endo, greater lens, lens, 2000 endo, 2000 endo, greater lens, lens. The sad fact is with it being rng based i could actually just be unlucky and not get another raven mod in the next 100x i do it which makes me wonder why waste the time even logging in to try if my chances seem to be so low. As of right now i just log in for new weapons and story, then try a couple sorties, get frustrated and say this is just stupid and stop playing till new content comes. At least if i had raven mods i could get more play time, maybe even a lot more play time out of the game.

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14 hours ago, Tyrian3k said:

Players have been sick of being at the mercy of RNG for ages... oh, who am I kidding... RNG has no mercy.

Do I want a token system?

Yes.

Do I have even the faintest hope of getting one?

Nope.

All we can do is keep pushing it , after all tis their game. 😂

But after what they did with the riven sortie debacle. This idea is more and more likely going to given a chance.

Heck they did a bit back talk about a token system themselves.

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10/10, agree with the idea 100% though the costs will get tweaked. I'm assuming you mean to keep the rewards and add the tokens on top of that, so doing a sortie gets you 100 tokens + what ever sortie reward, and if you didn't get what you want you can spend tokens to get something you want/need.

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I don't know if a token system is the solution to the problem (though it sounds good to me!), but I do know that I've only gotten 2k endo from sorties ever since it was added to the drop table.  The only riven mods I've gotten are the one from TWW quest and one off trade chat.  I'd like to find more, even ones for "worthless" guns because I like trying weird builds out!

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This system needs to be in the game, period. And it should be large amounts like suggested; war-frame shouldn't be a job, but it's starting to feel more and more like it. Every time a new update comes out, there is something that requires so much of a grind that it dampens enjoyment. A daily play requirement is becoming that of a part-time job, and the game is losing it's luster to me.

If I could rant for a moment...

The riven system grind-walls (such as sorties and kuva), Niatin nonsense, and the new Hema grind, alongside the last couple of months of bizarre mistakes, are pushing me away. I'm holding on to see if it gets better, but if this doesn't improve in a couple of months, that might be it for me. It's been ramping up to this point with grinding becoming worse and worse..., but previously the issues weren't directly new major content for the most part. Now, all of the new content has a major (IE lasting months), main game grind-wall attached that I can't enjoy very much. It used to just be keys and void items, but then there was sibear, equinox, mesa, Vauban prime, Sortie Nehza, ivara.. and slowly it has lead here; Riven RNG drops with RNG stats with Kuva based RNG re-rolls, as well as the absurd grind that is the Hema, and the lesser pain alongside it, Nidus. I'm losing hope and patience, and the primary reason for that is because I'm losing enjoyment, even with longer and longer breaks. It's not the gameplay, but the severe lack of progress through play. I feel like I'm on a treadmill exercising, but some kind of disease prevents any kind of real results. from it

DE, please stop. The life-consuming grind-walls don't improve your game. Don't make the mistake of assuming that just because the game has had a lot grind that it's ok to put in more with 100x the time requirement of the former.

 

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On December 1, 2016 at 5:21 AM, (PS4)Mofojokers said:

 

 

☆ The Token System

Although this may not be what DE wants because RNG is useful to keep people going.

But a simple token system would make the Sortie dailies actually worthwhile. That way you guys don't need to spend more time and effort on trying to make it fair for all.

 

I love this idea.  :) :) :)

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