Craftcoat Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 I just thought this topic would interest many users... I personally think that the System Component serves as The Skeleton of the Warframe, the Spine being the Computing unit and the Limbs being the Antennas to "broadcast" the Powers. Fell free to leave your Thoughts, opinions and Ideas here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kereler Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 23 minutes ago, Craftcoat said: I just thought this topic would interest many users... I personally think that the System Component serves as The Skeleton of the Warframe, the Spine being the Computing unit and the Limbs being the Antennas to "broadcast" the Powers. Fell free to leave your Thoughts, opinions and Ideas here... The neuroptics are the neuroptics, kinda self-explanatory The chassis is your skeleton, that's the definition of what a chassis is, its the base frame of a product. The systems components are the wiring and augments added onto your warframe These all combine with their individual components and are welded together and touched up in the final build. The Orokin cells that are always required being the method of powering your frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JalakBali Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 I'm still holding on to my theory that Warframes are grown as monsters and then the Orokin cuts off their heads and installed a more controllable "head". But I've been doubting this ever since they changed "helmet" to "neuroptics" for the blueprint of your warframe. So they changed it from an actual "blueprint of the head" to "blueprint of sensory system". I've had this theory before Second Dream and at least the theory about "warframes have no one inside and are remotely controlled creatures" was correct. My theory that the Tenno are energy beings like Corrupted Vor was incorrect though. And the reason I think they cuts off the heads of warframes is the Rhino Prime lore, the idea that warframes have no eyes and mouths and I like the macabre concept of it. I was even making my head canon that somewhere there's a pit full of crazed warframe original heads and growing into a monster with warframe powers and a thousand heads called Rahvana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopeUrban Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 POST CONTAINS WAR WITHIN/SECOND DREAM SPOILERS And the helminth may be responsible for "replicating" all the squishy bits inside the frame in all of the frames we build. Remember that warframes aren't just suits of armor. They're at least partly alive. It is entirely possible that Stalker is an "awake" frame without a tenno operator. The orokin designed them to serve as proxies for tenno child soldiers after all, and we know the grineer are the product of generations of cloning redundancies and errors, but that originally the Orokin had no problem mind wiping slaves to transfer their consciousness in to them. it's not a far stretch to imagine they'd engineer warframes from a combination of orokin genetics and sentient tech, then lobotomize it so they could use it as a shell. OUR frames could be a version of that grown largely from infested material, which is why the infestation always tells us that it's part of us. This would also explain why warframes seem mostly immune to infestation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chainchompguy3 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 I've viewed the "systems" as the Neural System and Power-transfer wiring, viewing the "chassis" as a near compete musculo-skeletal structure, with the "helmet" "Neuroptics" being the Skull + transference systems. Also, I'd like to say that I find Warframe anatomy/appearance as greatly fitting for both plot reasons, and personal reasons. Warframes, at first glance, look to be decorated humans. Upon closer inspection, however, most, if not all, lack many facial features, and have a great deal of Robotics that only resemble the human form. For plot reasons, this does well to have a consistent train of reveals for players as they progress the game: players finding out that their frame is not all that human, then that the player can be multiple frames, then the plot reveal from TSD, then that of TWW. For personal reasons, I find the not-so-human look enough to help me not despise the aesthetics of this game as nothing more than that of a default-shooter-mc-dude game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawmonark Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 7 minutes ago, PopeUrban said: POST CONTAINS WAR WITHIN/SECOND DREAM SPOILERS And the helminth may be responsible for "replicating" all the squishy bits inside the frame in all of the frames we build. Remember that warframes aren't just suits of armor. They're at least partly alive. It is entirely possible that Stalker is an "awake" frame without a tenno operator. The orokin designed them to serve as proxies for tenno child soldiers after all, and we know the grineer are the product of generations of cloning redundancies and errors, but that originally the Orokin had no problem mind wiping slaves to transfer their consciousness in to them. it's not a far stretch to imagine they'd engineer warframes from a combination of orokin genetics and sentient tech, then lobotomize it so they could use it as a shell. OUR frames could be a version of that grown largely from infested material, which is why the infestation always tells us that it's part of us. This would also explain why warframes seem mostly immune to infestation. Lets hope this is true, and one day "all our frame" become awoken... Then we can say goodbye to the operator tenno. I never really liked them as a story. I with Warframes took the "Dark Sector" lore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olav152 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Neuroptics - probably sensors, communication and transference stuff Chassis - body and armor (skeleton + muscles + skin per human anatomy) Systems - "neural system" of Warframe, possibly responsible for transfering "void" magic into powers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeithanDiniem Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 The suits contain an actual living organism, a body, of some form. This is known based on what Alad V and Vor has said, plus with what is mentioned with the Mesa and Chroma fights. The suits in those 2 fights were specifically stated as being empty, meaning there was nothing inside. If there can be nothing inside, that means something has to be inside them usually, and seeing as DE has made it quite clear that a fully organic body is part of the suit in some way with Alad V's and Vor's dialog, that body must be what is within the suits. We know they are infested-based because of TWW, so since the Helminth infestation has been officially stated as a perfected/superior form of the infestation by the devs, and that our Operators state that "we" cannot be infected by the Infestation's strain, it bears to reason that the infested golems inside the suits are possibly the same exact strain. The term "golem" is also specifically used in reference to the Warframes by the dialog in Second Dream, further tying to the idea of a body. I fully think the naming of the blueprint parts are specific to the suit itself, and not to the body within the suit. That is handled by Helminth more than likely (note the cryopod-like medical bed behind the chair). A golem could conceivably be grown within that pod and put within the suit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmptyDevil Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 My thoughts: Neuroptics Neuro = relates to nerves/nervous system. Optic = relates to eyes/seeing. Combined the 2 to get a device system that functions as the Warframe's 'eyes', so the Tenno can see through the Warframe's POV. Chassis The 'shell' or fancy layer of the body. Systems Basically the Warframe's operating system for modding, power management, and ETC. Infested Tissue Grown, shaped, and extracted from Helminth. Warframe parts are grafted to this thing to complete the build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vali Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Spoilers: Even after the events of TWW and Second Dream, little is explained about the Warframes. -The ending to the Second Dream where our Warframe breaks the War has no known reason. - From Titania/ Inaros' quests we can assume that Warframes have their own consciousness, like how Titania attempted to save her creator or how Inaros protected Baro's people from the Golden People, presumably Orokin. - From TWW we know that the Warframes are 'infested metal puppets' and Worm occasionally refers to Warframes in her transmissions as 'metal cysts'. - It is also noted in Rhino Prime's codex that they controlled some kind of beast with iron flowing like blood, and in Ember Prime's codex, it is said that one of the children of the long lost ship (the Zariman) could conjure fire in its hands. In total, even after 4 years of this game existing, we do not know what the Warframes are, their origin, how they were created and how we use them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chainchompguy3 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 6 minutes ago, JalakBali said: I'm still holding on to my theory that Warframes are grown as monsters and then the Orokin cuts off their heads and installed a more controllable "head". But I've been doubting this ever since they changed "helmet" to "neuroptics" for the blueprint of your warframe. So they changed it from an actual "blueprint of the head" to "blueprint of sensory system". I've had this theory before Second Dream and at least the theory about "warframes have no one inside and are remotely controlled creatures" was correct. My theory that the Tenno are energy beings like Corrupted Vor was incorrect though. And the reason I think they cuts off the heads of warframes is the Rhino Prime lore, the idea that warframes have no eyes and mouths and I like the macabre concept of it. I was even making my head canon that somewhere there's a pit full of crazed warframe original heads and growing into a monster with warframe powers and a thousand heads called Rahvana. A very interesting head-cannon you have there. I may just adopt it myself (with my own spin on it, of course). To the neuroptics vs Helmet point, you could put the twist on it that the Helmet (cosmetic ones) is, infact, a swap-out-able head, and that the "Neuroptics" is the actual, core-head, kinda like Bionicle Masks or Borderlands Goliaths. We can then assume that the Orokin made the simple, only-what-is-necessary inner head for the reasons you described. I had, and still mostly have, the headcannon that the "Operator" is a sort of Void-ghost, as I put it. While I don't really feel it fits too well, I've adapted my headcannon to go by the idea that the "entity" that seems to possess the Operator's Body as they complete the final choice, Referring to the Operator/player as "kiddo".-- --IS that "void ghost", and that in order for it to have access to such things as Warframe-manipulation, it had to find a long-term host, such as a young Operator. We play mostly as the ghost, with the Operator being just as much of a shell as the Frames. Unlike the Frames, however, the Operator still retains some of their own sentience, and thus we are relegated into the subconscious and compel the Operator to do as we will. And while I'm not sure we need a boss like that, mainly due to how Warframe absurd warframe powers can be; the name, at the very least, is very well chosen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craftcoat Posted February 24, 2017 Author Share Posted February 24, 2017 Guys... Lets assume the parts of a frame aren't complete of their own... Neuroptics would contain the nervous systems and the System component itself is more like a spine + brainlike structure. The Chassis houses The Skeleton and infested flesh. The System Component would provide infrastructure for the Neuroptics nerves. Seen from this assumption it seems more Natural since the Components of their own would be useless... maybe explaining why Alad V needs to Harvest Frames since he shurely dosn't really know how to put them together or produce them. He just can modify what exists within his reach. Such a complex structure could make the "concious" like behavior of Titania, Inaros(probably a Tenno its not confirmed) and Rhino Prime more Logical in line with the Affinity gain on Warframes while leveling... The Frame is LEARNING as the Operator uses it, growing stronger, better. In conclusion with the assumption that Helminth shurely breeds the tissue for the Frames, could it mean that the Organism within that frame is somehow tame and has a rudimentary understanding whats going on, making it possible fore that Being to Act in certain ways. Maybe a frame could get sentient... causing it to protecting what it was made to protect for personal reasons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)robotwars7 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 at a guess I would say they're essentially like cyborgs, but instead of having their own controlling AI, they are controlled by the Tenno. the outer layer of the Warframe is a form of inert Technocyte skin that has been treated so it cannot grow out of control, though Chroma and Nidus seem to be exceptions to this. the skin is the reason why we bleed when injured, and why the Infested bosses claim we are their flesh: they think we are just some other kind of infested creature. underneath the skin is a metallic armoured layer, which gives us our armour values and ensure that we are more durable than the average human. this form of armour is still somewhat lightweight in order to allow us to move around effectively, but it can still eventually be penetrated, at which point a Warframe goes down. together, the Technocyte-covered metal body is the Chassis of the Warframe. the Neuroptics would consist of advanced computer systems to control the frame's movements, and cameras that allow the Tenno to see from the Warframe's point of view. as to what exact measures of control it gives, and how it meshes with the operator's mind is unknown. the Systems are the inner workings of the frame, it's wiring and mechanisms that allow movement and Transference, and also relay commands from the Neuroptics to the rest of the Frame's body, much in the same way our own brains send messages to our bodies to perform actions. without them, the frame simply wouldn't work. as for the full relationship between Operator and frame, I imagine the that if the frames really are Sentient, they are loyal servants to the operator, in the same manner as Helminth. there could also be a direct link between Helminth and the operator. regarding the "kiddo" thing at the end of The war Within", I think it may be some kind of advanced Void-based PTSD, a sign of the mental scarring the operator went through after seeing their family consumed by the raw energy of the void. that's my Headcanon anyway, since it reminds me of Spec Ops: The Line, which had an awesome story about PTSD, insanity, and wanting to be a hero, no matter the cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PsychedelicSnake Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 The Butt is the heart Butt is life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)CaptainIMalik Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 I wonder why they have gender Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volinus7 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 I won't accept the empty shell. All the yes to proper anatomy gore and guts!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space0ddity Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 >Chassis Empty shell of a frame, made of advanced plastics and outer materials, holed up for systems receivers >Systems Computing systems using the psycho-somatic link >Neuroptics Massive hulking pulp of infested tissue with no definite form or shape clogging the rest of the frame like a mushroom. Indeterminable use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)ThermalStone Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 What is the purpose of Nidus' extra "limb" then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TasteVengence Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 my idea has always been warframes are suits (kinda like Iron Man) and inside those suites are actual humans of diffrent weights,heights,breast sizes...ect ect....and your personal Tenno controlls these people kinda like nyx mind controll....so yea...just my thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JalakBali Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 20 hours ago, Agentawesome said: Spoilers: Hide contents - It is also noted in Rhino Prime's codex that they controlled some kind of beast with iron flowing like blood, and in Ember Prime's codex, it is said that one of the children of the long lost ship (the Zariman) could conjure fire in its hands. They never said the child in Ember Prime's lore used fire though. It was just assumed that because it's an Ember Prime lore. Margulis was also scarred and actually blinded by the children. The burn is probably from the void powers, not necessarily fire. 7 hours ago, TasteVengence said: my idea has always been warframes are suits (kinda like Iron Man) and inside those suites are actual humans of diffrent weights,heights,breast sizes...ect ect....and your personal Tenno controlls these people kinda like nyx mind controll....so yea...just my thought If there is a human base inside the warframes then they would at least only have half a head. Check out Limbo's idle animations to reveal the inside of his head. And then a bunch of frames also wouldn't fit a normal human's head or body, like Excalibur's Avalon helmet and Frost's Squall helmet. Nidus is definitely without human body inside him. 10 hours ago, (PS4)CaptainIMalik said: I wonder why they have gender I was wondering about this before and in my headcannon the warframes are actually Zariman kids which was infected with technocyte and made into the first version of a warframe. But Silver Grove kinda invalidates this since Silvana made no mention about this and she was only appalled she was making a weapon of death from the virus. Knowing her personality, she would have at least mentioned it if the warframes were originally people. Also, just remembered, another thing about my theory that warframes have swapable heads is the Stalker's group, which seems to be warframes with a Stalker's head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craftcoat Posted February 25, 2017 Author Share Posted February 25, 2017 16 hours ago, (PS4)CaptainIMalik said: I wonder why they have gender The Orokin preferred perfection, so they simply said that they don't want andogynous frames Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craftcoat Posted February 25, 2017 Author Share Posted February 25, 2017 5 hours ago, JalakBali said: They never said the child in Ember Prime's lore used fire though. It was just assumed that because it's an Ember Prime lore. Margulis was also scarred and actually blinded by the children. The burn is probably from the void powers, not necessarily fire. If there is a human base inside the warframes then they would at least only have half a head. Check out Limbo's idle animations to reveal the inside of his head. And then a bunch of frames also wouldn't fit a normal human's head or body, like Excalibur's Avalon helmet and Frost's Squall helmet. Nidus is definitely without human body inside him. I was wondering about this before and in my headcannon the warframes are actually Zariman kids which was infected with technocyte and made into the first version of a warframe. But Silver Grove kinda invalidates this since Silvana made no mention about this and she was only appalled she was making a weapon of death from the virus. Knowing her personality, she would have at least mentioned it if the warframes were originally people. Also, just remembered, another thing about my theory that warframes have swapable heads is the Stalker's group, which seems to be warframes with a Stalker's head. Or simply and more Logic... The Helmet fits onto the Neuroptics like a Helmet on your head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puflec Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 I see it like this this: Name Warframe is first clue. For me its a frame, armor of some kind to increase wearers ability. We build that in foundry with all those components. Second clue are quests that show some of the warframes having mind of their own. And finally Helminth....and that room. So basically, we have some cloned(infested) "brain dead" wearer of the warframe suit that operator is mind controlling. As for my note about some "warframes" showing having minds of their own, i actually think they all had minds of their own when they were created and were unique, and not so obedient to the creators. So when Orokin wanted an army of them, they cloned them, taking away their sense, and put them in their armors, being controlled by tenno. Of to war they go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JalakBali Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 15 hours ago, Craftcoat said: The Orokin preferred perfection, so they simply said that they don't want andogynous frames Or! The warframes were made in the image of their respective creators. Silvana made Titania so maybe she had to use herself as base (design wise, or genetically, or something) and that's how warframes get their respective genders. That would make it more interesting since Titania would be technically Silvana's child and more tragic how she hated her. This would also explain why we get different body types. 13 hours ago, Puflec said: I see it like this this: Name Warframe is first clue. For me its a frame, armor of some kind to increase wearers ability. We build that in foundry with all those components. Second clue are quests that show some of the warframes having mind of their own. And finally Helminth....and that room. So basically, we have some cloned(infested) "brain dead" wearer of the warframe suit that operator is mind controlling. As for my note about some "warframes" showing having minds of their own, i actually think they all had minds of their own when they were created and were unique, and not so obedient to the creators. So when Orokin wanted an army of them, they cloned them, taking away their sense, and put them in their armors, being controlled by whiny pre-teens tenno. Of to war they go. Sweet, warframes are basically Evangelions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mak_Gohae Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 warframes have dead infested humans inside. That's how Alad controlled his. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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