Hyohakusha Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 A fix is supposed to correct a problem. Nyx is criminally underused, Assimilate comes out, and suddenly she can contribute something more to the team than Chaos. It's still a rare occurrence to run into a Nyx in a pub, but you'd see one or two, here and there. Now? The first prime frame I got is back to having one helpful ability. Instead of being able to rez in terrible spots or save a defense target at the last second, she's back to spamming 3 over and over. The "bugged" Assimilate was the fix for Nyx, this is a nerf or poor research. DE, don't send Nyx back into the bottom rung of of the most used list. Everything else that's been coming out has been aimed at getting people to use different things, and this is a step in the wrong direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoropael Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 36 minutes ago, 1nn0m1ne said: Oh yes, we still have Chaos, the only ability to cast on purpose. And then you realize that if Chaos is all Nyx has left going for her, you'd be better off using an Irradiating Disarm Loki. Whoops! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brokentool Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 personally haven't played Nyx in a while, but I love her kit and play style(s), so this "fix" sounds like really bad news to me. Please let Terminator Nyx keep on being a thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CherryPauper Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 (edited) The Assimilate mod is what made me play Nyx. Her Chaos isn't worth it alone since I just use Loki for Irradiating Disarm. This nerf completely undermines the point of the mod which is to offer another playstyle to make her not a one trick pony. #MakeAssNyxGreatAgain Edited March 10, 2017 by CherryPauper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)YoungGunn82 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 really?! Welp there goes another frame in the trash..this one hurts too! Please fix this BUG DE! this is unacceptable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K4r4k4s4 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Nyx always was a one-trick pony. Maybe now she gets some attention and eventually a rework. Only hope that's not like Mag and Ash type of rework. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nanicow Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 cool, now nyx have only ONE usable skill, Chaos. Mind Control has a lot of bugs and doesn't do much because of the dumb AI Psychic Bolts has almost no damage and it costs a lot of energy to cast and now Absorb is practically useless. thanks DE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)lhbuch Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 (edited) This is the world famous FIX THAT NERFS !!! This change would make ANY sense if there was any soul in planet earth that was using Assimilate with a specific strategy to charge the bubble. I can only imagine: Listen guys, here is the strategy, I enter in absorb and you guys charge it ok? After some time, I will be out of energy but who cares... Edited March 10, 2017 by (PS4)lhbuch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keltik0ne Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Not a great change, Nyx is really needing some work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seulb Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 I get the change but the fact that this makes Assimilate Nyx a potential trolling target is the real problem so addressing that likely will fix the same issue with any other friendly fire problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[DE]Rebecca Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Luckily I hadn't finished the Sortie yet and there is a Defense mission up - this sets the field for one of my favourite Nyx Assimilate strategies. Hopping in a Defense Shotgun-Only Sortie with my 'Terminator Nyx' to protect the Ally after this change was the perfect testing ground for me - especially in Public matchmaking where you're never sure what others will bring to the table. I'm conflicted about what I found - I expected to see the sky falling, especially with a full Public team with Shotguns! With my Assimilate build, I was still able to maintain Godmode Assimilate for each wave, stopping in between to hustle for drops and stock up on energy. I only removed my '4' in combat once to run to a fallen Squad mate to quickly reactivate it. When the final Wave hit things got a little hairy - as they should - and I had to adapt with quick movements and Energy restock, only losing my Absorb once. Is more testing necessary? Absolutely - that goes for everyone in this thread who has claimed we've ruined something that they themselves have not tried out. It has been a while since Nyx has gone under any serious discussion so we'll see how far we can open this door based on the constructive feedback that takes place. An excuse to play even more Nyx though? Sign me up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightmareT12 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 1 minute ago, [DE]Rebecca said: It has been a while since Nyx has gone under any serious discussion so we'll see how far we can open this door based on the constructive feedback that takes place. An excuse to play even more Nyx though? Sign me up. Hmm, are you suggesting a chance at touch ups? I hope her 2 gets a pass too, it feels... *sigh* Although on the other hand this is going to be busy for you guys: Oberon/Hydroid are very candidates for Primes, Chroma's Deluxe, Limbo warping up, Zephyr being another possible candidate later this year... I hope you clone Scott or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madway7 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 (edited) 47 minutes ago, [DE]Rebecca said: Luckily I hadn't finished the Sortie yet and there is a Defense mission up - this sets the field for one of my favourite Nyx Assimilate strategies. Hopping in a Defense Shotgun-Only Sortie with my 'Terminator Nyx' to protect the Ally after this change was the perfect testing ground for me - especially in Public matchmaking where you're never sure what others will bring to the table. I'm conflicted about what I found - I expected to see the sky falling, especially with a full Public team with Shotguns! With my Assimilate build, I was still able to maintain Godmode Assimilate for each wave, stopping in between to hustle for drops and stock up on energy. I only removed my '4' in combat once to run to a fallen Squad mate to quickly reactivate it. When the final Wave hit things got a little hairy - as they should - and I had to adapt with quick movements and Energy restock, only losing my Absorb once. Is more testing necessary? Absolutely - that goes for everyone in this thread who has claimed we've ruined something that they themselves have not tried out. I would say it should be tested on a non weapon restriction mission. Try Kuva farming maybe with Nyx assimilate? Edited March 10, 2017 by Madway7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cataclysmic8gladiator Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 i used to have a huge amount of interest in nyx,when i was a newbie to warframe world,only to realize how underrated it is,and with the *fix* that happened? i dont know what to say at all,except that nyx needs more love than fixes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treebiter Posted March 10, 2017 Author Share Posted March 10, 2017 1 hour ago, [DE]Rebecca said: Luckily I hadn't finished the Sortie yet and there is a Defense mission up - this sets the field for one of my favourite Nyx Assimilate strategies. Hopping in a Defense Shotgun-Only Sortie with my 'Terminator Nyx' to protect the Ally after this change was the perfect testing ground for me - especially in Public matchmaking where you're never sure what others will bring to the table. I'm conflicted about what I found - I expected to see the sky falling, especially with a full Public team with Shotguns! With my Assimilate build, I was still able to maintain Godmode Assimilate for each wave, stopping in between to hustle for drops and stock up on energy. I only removed my '4' in combat once to run to a fallen Squad mate to quickly reactivate it. When the final Wave hit things got a little hairy - as they should - and I had to adapt with quick movements and Energy restock, only losing my Absorb once. Is more testing necessary? Absolutely - that goes for everyone in this thread who has claimed we've ruined something that they themselves have not tried out. It has been a while since Nyx has gone under any serious discussion so we'll see how far we can open this door based on the constructive feedback that takes place. An excuse to play even more Nyx though? Sign me up. I played the same mission and my bubble lasted all of five seconds. I think it's going to be highly dependant on who you're playing with and their load outs (and personalities to some extents). The problem with that is there's now a lack of consistency. On entering a public mission you'll never know how hard a time you're going to have. It's a headache, and one that may over time drive me to play other frames without such issues. Thanks for dropping in and giving us your thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skaleek Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 1 hour ago, [DE]Rebecca said: I'm conflicted about what I found No offense here Reb, but people are infinitely less likely to troll you than they are to troll me or any other random schmo on the forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mozer33 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 (edited) I just finished forma'ing my Nyx for assimilate when this change happened and yeah, it is really really bad. 2 out 3 pugs have somebody shooting it just to troll you. What if you could just shoot any other warframe to drain all their energy? Or shoot chroma to debuff his vex armor or shoot rhino to remove his ironskin? This was just a terrible thought to even consider. They should just rename Nyx "Solo Prime". Edited March 10, 2017 by Mozer33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God_is_a_Cat_Girl Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 1 hour ago, [DE]Rebecca said: Luckily I hadn't finished the Sortie yet and there is a Defense mission up - this sets the field for one of my favourite Nyx Assimilate strategies. Oh silly Rebecca, but you guys patched it a long time ago and allow us to repeat sortie missions after he already did them once. ; D On a more related now, the "problem" with this change for me is perhaps the same "problem" I have with the ability itself. Absorbing enemy fire? Great. Absorbing team mates fire? Well, what if they don't want it to be absorbed (which Terminator Nyx helped greatly when you are reviving them and they can clean enemies before they get up so they don't have to run like the sky is falling)? Worse yet, you can troll or get trolled. You can easily make Nyx run out of energy with a high DPS gun by simply shooting at the on purpose. But sure, it's understandable that viable tactics exist for team mates to charge you up and it also allows the game to balance you out a little by killing your energy by a bit more, even though that can also means penalizing your team with your very existence (because you are blocking their stuff, making them lose ammo). It's not an easy thing to deal with, it's not a thing that will end without victims and it's hard to feel like burning ones hands over this (because honestly Terminator Nyx is just a variant of what Wukong already does without augments, the difference is that you get other 3 CC skills). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cray Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 1 hour ago, [DE]Rebecca said: Luckily I hadn't finished the Sortie yet and there is a Defense mission up - this sets the field for one of my favourite Nyx Assimilate strategies. Hopping in a Defense Shotgun-Only Sortie with my 'Terminator Nyx' to protect the Ally after this change was the perfect testing ground for me - especially in Public matchmaking where you're never sure what others will bring to the table. I'm conflicted about what I found - I expected to see the sky falling, especially with a full Public team with Shotguns! With my Assimilate build, I was still able to maintain Godmode Assimilate for each wave, stopping in between to hustle for drops and stock up on energy. I only removed my '4' in combat once to run to a fallen Squad mate to quickly reactivate it. When the final Wave hit things got a little hairy - as they should - and I had to adapt with quick movements and Energy restock, only losing my Absorb once. Is more testing necessary? Absolutely - that goes for everyone in this thread who has claimed we've ruined something that they themselves have not tried out. It has been a while since Nyx has gone under any serious discussion so we'll see how far we can open this door based on the constructive feedback that takes place. An excuse to play even more Nyx though? Sign me up. Food for thought though, did your teammates actively shoot at you? I think that's the area that's really worth testing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordnight5hade Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Interesting. As a Nyx main myself, I have actually not had time to play since this came out. What I've gathered from here is that the "Fix" is making the Assimilate bubble use more energy for no good reason. Assimilate make Nyx the ultimate tank, with good crowd control and ultimate survivability. But if players can remove your bubble, even by accident, then Nyx becomes the Solo tank again. Nyx is fun to play, but the main way I've seen people play it is to go with Range and Efficency. Making it absorb allies' fire is not going to make much of a difference with that kind of build. If it doesn't cost energy when enemies strike the bubble, why does it cost energy when allies do? Are they stealing energy, or what? Ultimately, this is not a very good fix, and a better fix, if you really want the bubble to absorb allied fire, would be to simply leave it as only draining energy as it is toggled on. I was going to say it could still absorb allied fire, but I had a thought. What if... There was a button or switch that could be used, and the Operator using Nyx could decide if they want the bubble to absorb Allied fire or not. If not, then it would only block enemy fire, and I would presume, protect any players and allies inside from, say a Zarr blast or something. No damage would be added to the bubble unless the player choose it to be that way, so that it can fit their playstyle. These are just the thoughts I had. I hope they help :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmniXVII Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 2 hours ago, [DE]Rebecca said: Luckily I hadn't finished the Sortie yet and there is a Defense mission up - this sets the field for one of my favourite Nyx Assimilate strategies. Hopping in a Defense Shotgun-Only Sortie with my 'Terminator Nyx' to protect the Ally after this change was the perfect testing ground for me - especially in Public matchmaking where you're never sure what others will bring to the table. I'm conflicted about what I found - I expected to see the sky falling, especially with a full Public team with Shotguns! With my Assimilate build, I was still able to maintain Godmode Assimilate for each wave, stopping in between to hustle for drops and stock up on energy. I only removed my '4' in combat once to run to a fallen Squad mate to quickly reactivate it. When the final Wave hit things got a little hairy - as they should - and I had to adapt with quick movements and Energy restock, only losing my Absorb once. Is more testing necessary? Absolutely - that goes for everyone in this thread who has claimed we've ruined something that they themselves have not tried out. It has been a while since Nyx has gone under any serious discussion so we'll see how far we can open this door based on the constructive feedback that takes place. An excuse to play even more Nyx though? Sign me up. Large radius AOE weapons like Mirage w/ Simulor inflict tons of friendly fire to her while she is absorbing damage. There is also now potential for allies to troll Nyx by draining her energy by shooting her. Any mechanic that gives allies any potential to troll another player should not be a mechanic at all. Of course, maybe if something interesting was added to Assimilate to make it WORTH shooting at, it could be definitely worthwhile. Maybe it speeds her up the more damage she absorbs? Maybe the AOE of the blast increases? Because as of now nobody uses Assimilate to charge up damage. The AOE of the blast is very small, and all Nyx players run at 40% power strength. It is purely used for being energy efficient shielding, which is now very much less efficient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, [DE]Rebecca said: Luckily I hadn't finished the Sortie yet and there is a Defense mission up - this sets the field for one of my favourite Nyx Assimilate strategies. Hopping in a Defense Shotgun-Only Sortie with my 'Terminator Nyx' to protect the Ally after this change was the perfect testing ground for me - especially in Public matchmaking where you're never sure what others will bring to the table. I'm conflicted about what I found - I expected to see the sky falling, especially with a full Public team with Shotguns! With my Assimilate build, I was still able to maintain Godmode Assimilate for each wave, stopping in between to hustle for drops and stock up on energy. I only removed my '4' in combat once to run to a fallen Squad mate to quickly reactivate it. When the final Wave hit things got a little hairy - as they should - and I had to adapt with quick movements and Energy restock, only losing my Absorb once. Is more testing necessary? Absolutely - that goes for everyone in this thread who has claimed we've ruined something that they themselves have not tried out. It has been a while since Nyx has gone under any serious discussion so we'll see how far we can open this door based on the constructive feedback that takes place. An excuse to play even more Nyx though? Sign me up. now this seems logical on paper , when looking at using melee to make yourself lung about to possibly dodge enemy/ally fire to make this last it should be ok , same as how valyks tweaks worked but those not using an efficiency build may have a harder time with maintaining it bringing her to a cross roads of then are we being forced to use efficiency higher rather then range or another augment to play our character? but comparing what ive seen players stream on this to what i on console can do [still good god mode] shows a very large reduction in performance without much return, if allies use things like tonkor or other big damage number weapons nyxs are once again open to ally trolling in this regard. if say the augment didnt reduce the range or speed so much it could be noted that would be a fair trade off, or something to that degree but thats just my observation of this Edited March 10, 2017 by (XB1)EternalDrk Mako Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingninja14141 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 i really liked how i could just tank in sorties with Nyx and revive allies i use guardian derision and Ack & Brunt's electromagnetic shielding. For the most part i didn't need to deactivate absorb to get to them and when i did i would die. if they want to kill the duration like that at least make it more damage you take you get back your speed or something. also Nezah safe guard doesn't appear on defense operatives health bar so if your not looking at them you wont know if its still there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mozer33 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 16 hours ago, [DE]Rebecca said: Luckily I hadn't finished the Sortie yet and there is a Defense mission up - this sets the field for one of my favourite Nyx Assimilate strategies. Hopping in a Defense Shotgun-Only Sortie with my 'Terminator Nyx' to protect the Ally after this change was the perfect testing ground for me - especially in Public matchmaking where you're never sure what others will bring to the table. I'm conflicted about what I found - I expected to see the sky falling, especially with a full Public team with Shotguns! With my Assimilate build, I was still able to maintain Godmode Assimilate for each wave, stopping in between to hustle for drops and stock up on energy. I only removed my '4' in combat once to run to a fallen Squad mate to quickly reactivate it. When the final Wave hit things got a little hairy - as they should - and I had to adapt with quick movements and Energy restock, only losing my Absorb once. Is more testing necessary? Absolutely - that goes for everyone in this thread who has claimed we've ruined something that they themselves have not tried out. It has been a while since Nyx has gone under any serious discussion so we'll see how far we can open this door based on the constructive feedback that takes place. An excuse to play even more Nyx though? Sign me up. I was in a pug right after this change came out. I hadn't read all the patch notes so I didn't know about the change. I run a max efficiency assimilate Nyx. A player with a Supra (not sure if it had a riven or not) was trolling me by shooting the bubble. It took less than 5 seconds to remove the bubble. If someone wants to troll you, which happens frequently in pugs, they can very easily do it. I feel like playing more Nyx is the last thing I wanted to do after the change. She is still quite viable solo and *possibly* in a clan or friendly group, provided they are not throwing massive riven AOE around, which is also often the case. With respect, she is absolutely not reliable to play pugs with. It took about 2 minutes to test that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DatDarkOne Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Oh wow. I need to test this myself also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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