Muirenn 6,514 Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 but charging really uncomfortable. blow must be fast thrusting, not this parody of the swing Are you saying that daggers are only used for thrusting? News to me. Link to post Share on other sites
Gromann 10 Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 The fire rate was actually good before. I would say lower the fire rate , give it a little bit more damage again (12 dmg feels like a kitten trying to claw someone) and increase the projectile speed. I like this idea, make it the slowest firing autogun but the highest per-hit damage. Link to post Share on other sites
Tsoe 4,656 Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 (edited) My (alternate) Frost helmet is gone "changed" any way to get back the one i had yesterday XD maybe will be added back later? i really loved that design in the wau of eacalibur givin frost a minor buble head --------------------- any news about the skana prime missing effects (fire and ice)? Edited February 5, 2013 by Tsoe Link to post Share on other sites
savokgear 1 Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Are you saying that daggers are only used for thrusting? News to me. but swords also use only slash attacks animation. and? Link to post Share on other sites
Labcat 85 Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 FatalX7, did you like the helmets? Link to post Share on other sites
striketh 0 Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Can you guys not force us to go through unskippable tutorials repeatedly? This is the 3rd time I've been unable to do anything after logging in as I'm forced to sit through the tutorial whenever you guys post an update. Link to post Share on other sites
Strac_CRO 186 Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 I got Lotus tutorial explaining the game ??????? Link to post Share on other sites
Kyuzo 12 Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 wow way to drop the ball on the boltor.. i just crafted the bloody thing and you go ahead and nerf the thing... its fire rate was fine as is... you guys should seriouslly talk to all the players before nerfing or buffing something make a poll can't leave this game in the hands of a few founder members.. Link to post Share on other sites
Cathulhu 2 Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Boltor is on going project, The flight time of the projectile changes the way we have to look at the balance. When we released the weapon it quickly shot to the top of the stats. Expect further tweaks. Sorry for the thrash. Well, after this nerf expect Akbolto to raise in stats ... a lot! Link to post Share on other sites
Carillon 237 Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 boltor's fire rate was unchanged, it is still 11.7. which, of coarse, now means that it's strictly worse than a regular ol bolto, and does less dps than everything except the starter weapons, the latron (which is underpowerd) and the lek (which doesn't care about dps). imo, adjust is to 25dmg/8.3rof. that'd leave it at 204 unranked, up from it's current 140 but down from the 292 on release. (braton is 240) Link to post Share on other sites
Kyuzo 12 Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 boltor's fire rate was unchanged, it is still 11.7. which, of coarse, now means that it's strictly worse than a regular ol bolto, and does less dps than everything except the starter weapons, the latron (which is underpowerd) and the lek (which doesn't care about dps). imo, adjust is to 25dmg/8.3rof. that'd leave it at 204 unranked, up from it's current 140 but down from the 292 on release. (braton is 240) you sure have you tried it in game yet? damage says 12 instead of 25 in game right? i don't wanna go on right now because this nerf &!$$es me off makes me feel i wasted my time farming for mats for this thing because i wanted to use it combo with akbolto on a new frame. Link to post Share on other sites
Riki-Oh 7 Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 you sure have you tried it in game yet? damage says 12 instead of 25 in game right? i don't wanna go on right now because this nerf &!$$es me off makes me feel i wasted my time farming for mats for this thing because i wanted to use it combo with akbolto on a new frame. Well , same here since i even used a catalyst. But fear not , the staff confirmed that they aren't done with tweaking it . Seems like they broke it on purpose for now until they have an idea on how to balance it. Link to post Share on other sites
Cathulhu 2 Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 They could make it a high powered semi-automatic rifle, kinda like latron. Link to post Share on other sites
DrunkPunk 23 Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Boltor damage lowered alot, on bosses shoot like 1 most of time, back to gorgon, with dagger hard to destroy affinity boxes, back to overpowered axes! Link to post Share on other sites
Labcat 85 Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Boltor damage lowered alot, on bosses shoot like 1 most of time, back to gorgon, with dagger hard to destroy affinity boxes, back to overpowered axes! Do a charged stab for boxes. I'm sure it will work out for you. Link to post Share on other sites
Dread_Kun 47 Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 What's the logic behind nerfing Boltor? "We don't want you to use any weapons that aren't the Gorgon or Hek"? Link to post Share on other sites
Kyuzo 12 Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 i still don't see why the boltor had to be nerfed.. the feedback area doesn't even have a whole lot of threads saying it's op or up and all the threads im reading so far say it's fine where it was. Link to post Share on other sites
kgino1045 16 Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 The hell? i bouth Orikon reactor and nothing in my inventory? Link to post Share on other sites
Muirenn 6,514 Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 (edited) but swords also use only slash attacks animation. and? Yeah. And? FatalX7, did you like the helmets? Oh, I appreciate the screenshots, but none of them are really my style. Edited February 5, 2013 by FatalX7 Link to post Share on other sites
Kyoryu 0 Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 I feel like the Boltor would be a powerful, but not over-powered weapon if you made it more like the Burston; the weapon you took its skin from for the time being. Make it a burst weapon. Shoot ~four rounds with the old damage (25). It wouldn't be over-powered, or an ammo dumpster. It would be a nice alternative to holding down the LMB. Alternatively, just keep the damage at 20. I think even with 20 damage, the burst fire would be awesome to have. I'm going to throw this here in hopes that it'll get noticed as well; Can we have "Silencer" mods? For if we actually want to be stealthy. Maybe a mod for frames that give a % chance to destroy enemy on death as well? So that enemies can't find the bodies? :D Link to post Share on other sites
Archade 5 Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 The boltor was very powerful before but this nerf is a bit much. Lowering its damage some would have been okay when you got around to changing the bolt weapon trees to have useful nodes in palce of the crit ones. As is it went from one of the best weapons in the game to something worse than the braton. Theres no reason not to just use a braton now, some AP mods and its use of crit and instant flight time makes it better. The boltor before was a sort of upgrade to the braton if you could aim it, but more difficult to use. It SHOULD outpreform easier to use guns if you learn how to use it properly, thats the point. Please dont nerf the bolto/akbolto Link to post Share on other sites
Dread_Kun 47 Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 (edited) Are you saying that daggers are only used for thrusting? News to me. Daggers are meant to be used for thrusting. If you're swinging a dagger, you're doing something wrong. But every movie and video game has daggers used for short range slash-fests because it's cool, simple as that. Edit: Please DE let us stab Grineer in the back at least. Edited February 5, 2013 by Dread_Kun Link to post Share on other sites
LordTomS 1 Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Major nerf to BOLTOR, not that it didn't need it but I find it a bit too severe. I can't help but wonder how much the DPS has changed though. I find it fires ALOT faster with half the damage. I fought HEK and did 15 to body and 30 to his head where it used to be 30 - 60. Link to post Share on other sites
Muirenn 6,514 Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 (edited) Daggers are meant to be used for thrusting. If you're swinging a dagger, you're doing something wrong. But every movie and video game has daggers used for short range slash-fests because it's cool, simple as that. Edit: Please DE let us stab Grineer in the back at least. We're not talking about push daggers here. (lul exaggeration) You should research the various self-defense and fighting techniques with daggers. Keep in mind the variety of different arts and times. Edited February 5, 2013 by FatalX7 Link to post Share on other sites
PlusEighteen 61 Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Boltor probably got overnerfed, but I assume it'll get another balancing down the road I crafted akbolto and I never use it because afuris is so much more reliable and easier to use Mashing m1 16 times a second vs holding m1? Choice should be obvious Link to post Share on other sites
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