Matoro_Zeliph Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Since Warframe is mostly a PvE game, ever thought of using the enemies as grunts in a MOBA style game mode? Just a thought, not sure if it might be unbalanced since Tenno can fly 1000mph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdunSaveMe Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 That's what Dark Sectors were. I personally think experimenting with PvPvE is a great idea. It can be a lot of fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-FrutyX- Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Did someone said MOBA ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosmickiller412 Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 that will be great just imagine all the things DE can do in a warframe moba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormdragon Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 (edited) 31 minutes ago, AdunSaveMe said: That's what Dark Sectors were. I personally think experimenting with PvPvE is a great idea. It can be a lot of fun. Yeah, and to be honest, the concept was great (imo) the main issues with it were the use of PvE unbalance, how easy a team could snowball over the other after a couple of minutes and the endless amount of exploits available in it. I'd personally like to see the same concept with the current system (conclave balance, ragequit penalty and battles taking place in community hosted servers) Edited April 17, 2017 by Stormdragon Fixes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heckzu Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 (edited) Edited April 17, 2017 by Heckzu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdunSaveMe Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, Heckzu said: Because it can be fun. 30 minutes ago, MrFruty said: Did someone said MOBA ?? It doesn't have to be like League of Legends to be MOBA-like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heckzu Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Just now, AdunSaveMe said: Because it can be fun. It doesn't have to be like League of Legends to be MOBA-like. Lengthy matches are undesirable for most people. It would end up as a desolated game mode, even more so if it has a minimum player requirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdunSaveMe Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Heckzu said: Lengthy matches are undesirable for most people. It would end up as a desolated game mode, even more so if it has a minimum player requirement. MOBA-like also doesn't mean lengthy matches. What I'm assuming OP is referring to, and what would work very well, is essentially a PvP mode, but with AI units running around as well. This is what PvPvE is. The last Dark Sector rail iteration has exactly what OP is referring to, which was essentially a one-lane push with AI mobs. There are a lot of ways you can do it. None of them necessarily require it to have items, or long matches, or even lanes. Edited April 17, 2017 by AdunSaveMe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matoro_Zeliph Posted April 17, 2017 Author Share Posted April 17, 2017 17 minutes ago, AdunSaveMe said: MOBA-like also doesn't mean lengthy matches. What I'm assuming OP is referring to, and what would work very well, is essentially a PvP mode, but with AI units running around as well. This is what PvPvE is. The last Dark Sector rail iteration has exactly what OP is referring to, which was essentially a one-lane push with AI mobs. There are a lot of ways you can do it. None of them necessarily require it to have items, or long matches, or even lanes. I was thinking it could be like Brutal Legend's MOBA or RTS. 1 v 1 or 2 v 2 - Your Warframe taking control of the battlefield while micromanaging corpus grunts or whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heckzu Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 15 minutes ago, AdunSaveMe said: MOBA-like also doesn't mean lengthy matches. What I'm assuming OP is referring to, and what would work very well, is essentially a PvP mode, but with AI units running around as well. This is what PvPvE is. The last Dark Sector rail iteration has exactly what OP is referring to, which was essentially a one-lane push with AI mobs. There are a lot of ways you can do it. None of them necessarily require it to have items, or long matches, or even lanes. But what significance would AIs have in a PvP mode such as Conclave? Dark Sector Solar Rails didn't have Conclave standing. If they granted standing, then that would undermine the premise of the Conclave and would just be exploited for standing. If they are part of an objective based mission and were crucial to the success of the mission, then each match would just be a race to see which team can kill the most AIs, which essentially just becomes PvE and once again undermines the premise of Conclave. If not, then they become nothing more than background assets or annoyances like the automated turrets in the Conclave Kuva Fortress map. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdunSaveMe Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, Heckzu said: But what significance would AIs have in a PvP mode such as Conclave? Dark Sector Solar Rails didn't have Conclave standing. If they granted standing, then that would undermine the premise of the Conclave and would just be exploited for standing. If they are part of an objective based mission and were crucial to the success of the mission, then each match would just be a race to see which team can kill the most AIs, which essentially just becomes PvE and once again undermines the premise of Conclave. If not, then they become nothing more than background assets or annoyances like the automated turrets in the Conclave Kuva Fortress map. You make it sound like there's no balance to be struck between the two. I don't know all the details, I don't design game modes. But it's doable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobWasHere Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Of course it is doable. If very niche game that is Blades of Time can do it, Warframe can do it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Witchydragon Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 https://forums.warframe.com/search/?&q=moba&type=forums_topic&nodes=114&sortby=relevancy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Aeries Vendetta Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 On 4/17/2017 at 1:08 PM, AdunSaveMe said: That's what Dark Sectors were. I personally think experimenting with PvPvE is a great idea. It can be a lot of fun. Keep in mind pve is going to be a moon walk and clans with conclavers will moonwalk through PvP. If you have a hybrid it's going to be easy destroying majority of the clans if you put pve in dark sectors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdunSaveMe Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 23 minutes ago, (Xbox One)Aeries Vendetta said: Keep in mind pve is going to be a moon walk and clans with conclavers will moonwalk through PvP. If you have a hybrid it's going to be easy destroying majority of the clans if you put pve in dark sectors. You're only thinking of it one way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Aeries Vendetta Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 33 minutes ago, AdunSaveMe said: You're only thinking of it one way. I'm thinking of it realistically. I enjoy a challenge and a level playing field this would be fish in a barrel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdunSaveMe Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, (Xbox One)Aeries Vendetta said: I'm thinking of it realistically. I enjoy a challenge and a level playing field this would be fish in a barrel. Not if it's done right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Aeries Vendetta Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 You have to think about past results friend. Art of War and Arbiters Rage control a majority of the dark sector nodes on console which demonstrate superior PvP capability. Rathuum also showed that it doesn't even matter if it's a NPC they got wrecked. I'm pretty sure Art of War took that event too. If it's a pve and PvP hybrid the kd amd stats will be boosted to the point of inaccuracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xaero Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 On 17.04.2017 at 10:35 PM, Heckzu said: Dark Sector Solar Rails didn't have Conclave standing. Because back then there was no such thing as Conclave standing. It was introduced with reworked Conclave Teshin along with shutting down Solar Rail battles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Aeries Vendetta Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 18 hours ago, Ksaero said: Because back then there was no such thing as Conclave standing. It was introduced with reworked Conclave Teshin along with shutting down Solar Rail battles. Lol conclave used to not even exist and when it did come about it was a disgusting outline without any sort of guidance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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