Weapons to use post simulor nerf

[IceColdHawk]

1 minute ago, (PS4)balanceguardian said:

as i said i have no problem doing anything with my melees esp with naramon, but that gets boring, but whats the point of using a primary now if its will either kill you, only kill whats in front of you, or just cant dish out enough damage to be viable. Mind you I know i can use ignis and ignis wraith but they are only viable til around lvl 50 enemies

Zhuge, Kohm, Tigris Prime, Snipetron Vandal, Pandero, Akstiletto Prime, (Ak)Lex Prime, Euphona Prime, Dual Toxocyst, Brakk... So many good weapons out there man. Just gotta get some good modding and you should have no problems.

[(PSN)robotwars7]

OP, it's quite clear you're looking for the easy route, and tbh, you should stop. there aren't any weapons like that with no drawbacks now. if you aren't able to deal with that, maybe you should take a break for a while, and wait until DE bring out another AoE weapon for you to try.

closest you can get aside from shotguns is anything that can spray and pray with high damage. sadly the Boltor Prime and Soma prime are vaulted, but you could always try the Tenora.maybe consider investing in a Supra as well, if you can get a decent Riven for one it'll be pretty viable even at higher levels.

[(PSN)Silverback73]

3 hours ago, (PS4)balanceguardian said:

as i said i have no problem doing anything with my melees esp with naramon, but that gets boring, but whats the point of using a primary now if its will either kill you, only kill whats in front of you, or just cant dish out enough damage to be viable. Mind you I know i can use ignis and ignis wraith but they are only viable til around lvl 50 enemies

You are artfully directing the discussion and solution requirements into a corner.

"melee is boring"

"I don't like x,y,z alternative primary/secondary"

"must kill lvl 100's like SynSiMirage"

Let's take a step back (not sure how long you have played), and recognize that the philosophy of stacking weapon damage with Frame powers and co-op is not a new paradigm shift with what happened to SynSimulor, Telos Boltace, or Perrin's Lecta.

Any time a single weapon or power or combination can mindlessly instagib a map beyond mid-tier it's been changed.

-Volt's waaaay back original Overload and shield CRIT.

-Original Miasma-Saryn

-Original Ash Bladestorm

etc...and other vets can provide examples for weapons.

Me?

Currently I like what a forma'd Zhuge and Status-Lesion can do to a map once I CC it with a Capacitance-enhanced Overload with range and duration on Volt Prime.

Locking down enemies while granting squad overshields with a toxin/viral/slash status proc and puncture to bypass all defenses.

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Edited April 30, 2017 by (PS4)Silverback73

[Caliboom]

"Muh insta-killing weapon that does not require aim at all"

There are many great weapons out there, use the new Attica, the Paracyst, the Braton Prime, the Rakta Cernos, the Vaykor Hek, for example.

Learn to use weapons that actually require skill.

Edited April 30, 2017 by Pogomonster

[(XBOX)Shodian]

The Tonkor is really good.

Also the Hema

Edited April 30, 2017 by (XB1)Shodian

[Sar.K.Asmus]

6 hours ago, IceColdHawk said:

Either you haven't even tried it after the rework at all or you went: "Wow, my alt fire could just oneshot a lvl 20 heavy gunner. It's better than before!111". Yes, the damage got shifted to detonating. And guess what's faster in dps...detonating a fully stacked orb or just keep merging stuff? DPS is LOTS less now and no amount of "I'm special and say it's buffed so you are all wrong" will ever change this fact.

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After shooting for 50 seconds and using all your ammo, you killed that guy?

I didn't know how amazing Synoid Simulor is.

I might use it again^^

Spoiler

Or i'll use my melee+stealth until they also nerf it so that i can finally start playing another game and never come back :P

 

[FoxyKabam]

6 hours ago, (PS4)balanceguardian said:

but whats the point of using a primary now if its will either kill you, only kill whats in front of you, or just cant dish out enough damage to be viable.

 because other wise

 

6 hours ago, (PS4)balanceguardian said:

that gets boring

 

[Jackviator]

7 hours ago, (PS4)balanceguardian said:

whats the point of using a primary now if its will ...only kill whats in front of you

"What's the point of using a primary if you have to aim?" 

Just... I don't... WAT?

The point is that Hitscan and Projectile-Based Primaries still, y'know, kill stuff, you just have to put in the negligible mental effort of actually pointing the business end of the gun at the enemies before pulling the trigger.

...But if you really just don't like Hitscan or Projectile based weapons, if you want high-powered AoE weapons like the Zarr, then you've also gotta deal with the self-damage that comes with it. Cheese has to have drawbacks to retain balance, and if all you have to deal with is not firing explosives at your feet, I'd say it's a fair trade off.

And yeah, I get that self-damage as it stands is pretty unreasonable; personally I'm of the opinion that it should only deal a set % of the player's health. Still, if you're careful enough, it shouldn't be too much of a problem.

[-Temp0-]

13 hours ago, (PS4)RenovaKunumaru said:

The low risk high reward AoE spam weapon meta is over. While there are still a few hidden gems available it'll be more beneficial for you to learn the game more and to find them for yourself.

It will never be over until they're removed from the game entirely.

It's idiotic to expect people to run with single shot weapons in a horde mode game. Even if majority of those weapons will be sht everyone will just start using second and so on best option, then warframe with equivalent powers. SImple as that.

The laziest option op is to run wukong and continue to use weapons like zarr or tonkor.

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There are many great weapons out there, use the new Attica, the Paracyst, the Braton Prime, the Rakta Cernos, the Vaykor Hek, for example.

Learn to use weapons that actually require skill.

 

Or maybe don't tell people what to do?

This game does not require skill. At all. It's all about killing as many as quick as possible. You're not playing cs with mah skill such headshots much wow or even a game like dark souls with it's epic bossfights and actual gameplay. You're playing a mediocre shooter with some interesting ideas/mechanics but with a gameplay that after playing for 100-1000 hours will be like watching a paint dry. That's why majority that start the game go for kewl weapons like bows or melee but after reaching like mr 15-18 will never touch non-aoe weapons.

[(PSN)DBR87]

Wow. This thread.

In an effort to be constructive I suggest you get a strong Syndicate Primary like R. Cernos or S. Tigris and have the proc AoE kill everything, roll with a Soma Prime with punch through because that still murders legions at sortie level, or find some way to enjoy this game with out the need of cheesing it.

[Sirfol]

4 minutes ago, -Temp0- said:

It will never be over until they're removed from the game entirely.

It's idiotic to expect people to run with single shot weapons in a horde mode game. Even if majority of those weapons will be sht everyone will just start using second and so on best option, then warframe with equivalent powers. SImple as that.

The laziest option op is to run wukong and continue to use weapons like zarr or tonkor.

Or maybe don't tell people what to do?

This game does not require skill. At all. It's all about killing as many as quick as possible. You're not playing cs with mah skill such headshots much wow or even a game like dark souls with it's epic bossfights and actual gameplay. You're playing a mediocre shooter with some interesting ideas/mechanics but with a gameplay that after playing for 100-1000 hours will be like watching a paint dry. That's why majority that start the game go for kewl weapons like bows or melee but after reaching like mr 15-18 will never touch non-aoe weapons.

 Can i say something? Ur being edgy.

If the game for you don't require skills then i'm Happy for you, but it doesn't mean it's true for others. And warframe now is a solid success, as such many types of people play this game, even the ones that are not normally able to play FPS.

Yes it's a horde shooter, but they are clones or greedy crewman and you a space ninja that can shoot beams from the hands, so i think balancing the weapons to avoid mindless play is good for everyone especially the ones whose skills are not in par with a gamer, avoiding the feeling of "hey if i use this i can kill like everyone rooms and rooms with a Simple click, i will never use anything else!" Maybe they can actually try and discover it's simplier than they think.

The problem with weapons like simulor pre-balancing is not the OPness but the bias of Easy rewarding feeling, because then the weapon will get boring, fast, and no other weapon will give that Easy reward with no effort, with the consequence of burn-out.

Look at what op thinks, and tell me, do you think it's right?

I want him to enjoy the feeling of Discovery not the One of meh-this can't kill with the same efficency.

EFFICENCY SUCK. It ruin the game purpose whatever the target audience is you or not, don't take this the wrong way, i like efficency but in the form of QoL not in the form of mindless walk simulation.

[Valiant]

Considering the nature of this thread and your comments, I do find your name both slightly ironic and amusing.

Edited April 30, 2017 by Naith

[Helch0rn]

Ignis Warith

proc everything, laugh like a madman

for extra synergy use Saryn

Edited April 30, 2017 by Helch0rn

[-Temp0-]

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If the game for you don't require skills then i'm Happy for you, but it doesn't mean it's true for others. And warframe now is a solid success, as such many types of people play this game, even the ones that are not normally able to play FPS.

As a casual pve hybring-mmo shooter it is. There's nothing more to warframe.

Most pve games by definition do not requre actual skill, even a monkey with keyboard can play it. Just because you use lex/soma/whatever instead of simulor doesn't mean you're 'better' or 'skilful'. You're fighting ai that move in predictabel patterns, that can't possibly read or outplay you in a game where you can have 3 to 7 more people with you and you have abilities as well as energy and health restores and where faling a mission is basically humanly impossible. By using any single fire weapons over aoe you won't suddenly become this. Firing a soma or lex does not make you aim better. All it does is take more time to finish a mission and no, whoever uses simulor can perfectly use any other weapon because it's a pve game. They will not miss 90% of their shots or whatever you imagined their aiming skills will be exactly the same regardless of a weapon. Aiming in this game is easy and overrated. 

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Yes it's a horde shooter, but they are clones or greedy crewman and you a space ninja that can shoot beams from the hands, so i think balancing the weapons to avoid mindless play is good for everyone

You can balance it all you wnat as I said all you will accomplish is that people will be using second best weapons and warframes like Excalibur.

And I already said why. WF's gameplay is boring af once you've played it for 50-100 hours or so - any game that is not pvp will be at this point. That's simply how it works. Can balance it all you want, it will not change the fact that players that are sick and bored of 100001th defense mission will try to get it over with as quick as possible, if that mission requires to kill shtton of enemies they will be trying to do everything to make it quick.

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The problem with weapons like simulor pre-balancing is not the OPness but the bias of Easy rewarding feeling, because then the weapon will get boring, fast, 

Total bullsht.

Simulor and Tonkor were 2 the most used weapons. So do 2x2 and ask yourself, how they became 'boring' and 'fast' if everyone were running them.

Guess literally everyone were playing with them and cryng because of how cheap and easy it is. Not.

 

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EFFICENCY SUCK.

You can make your own life as hard as you want but in a game where you have to grind like a slave for a single weapon like hema for hours efficiencey is everything. Always was always will be. In a game where you have to first level a weapon and then stuff into it 4 to 6 formas while leveling it again up to 30 each time people will never ever have many weapons they actually play with anyway, they will usually stick to one-two primary and secondary, might have several melee because melee can even be used without formas or 1-2. So all the talking about them getting boring is ridiculous. You created this system and now you're trying to push people to simply rotate their weapons to sell more formas and make them waste more time. Nothing more. 

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[(XBOX)Solargeo]

8 hours ago, (PS4)balanceguardian said:

as i said i have no problem doing anything with my melees esp with naramon, but that gets boring, but whats the point of using a primary now if its will either kill you, only kill whats in front of you, or just cant dish out enough damage to be viable. Mind you I know i can use ignis and ignis wraith but they are only viable til around lvl 50 enemies

  Uhm to kill stuff? I mean Gears has a Horde mode... And most non explosive weapons even in reg mods don't murder stuff like crazy. in most  games primarys are your ? bread and butter? Not overly powerful. Strong yes. But not something that is suppose to field wipe.  Field wipers/ mega heavy hitters are Heavy weapons. meant to have limited ammo , rare ammo. or are bad idea to use close range or even last resorts or impose penalties.  

[Tesseract7777]

Quanta Vandal, Quanta, Amprex, the newly buffed Glaxion, Ignis, Ignis Wraith, etc. Etc. I personally take Amprex and Quanta Vandal to sortie 3 all the time and they hold up nicely, regular Quanta would probably be fine too. Ignis and Ignis Wraith do okay at sortie 3 level if you mod properly and know what you are doing. With proper modding they should not "stop working at level 50". 

 

All of those weapons give you aoe damage, don't take much thought or skill to use, and don't self-damage you. Enjoy. 

Edited April 30, 2017 by Tesseract7777

[(PSN)RenovaKunumaru]

1 hour ago, -Temp0- said:

It will never be over until they're removed from the game entirely.

It's idiotic to expect people to run with single shot weapons in a horde mode game. Even if majority of those weapons will be sht everyone will just start using second and so on best option, then warframe with equivalent powers. SImple as that.

The laziest option op is to run wukong and continue to use weapons like zarr or tonkor.

Or maybe don't tell people what to do?

 

I didn't say AoE was removed from the game I said high reward low risk weapons.

Or are they not removed? Wukong isn't an answer considering that he doesn't remove the risk, he mitigates it.

[LinaCrysta]

10 hours ago, IceColdHawk said:

Getting really tired of rep farming, nonsense comments...

 

Either you haven't even tried it after the rework at all or you went: "Wow, my alt fire could just oneshot a lvl 20 heavy gunner. It's better than before!111". Yes, the damage got shifted to detonating. And guess what's faster in dps...detonating a fully stacked orb or just keep merging stuff? DPS is LOTS less now and no amount of "I'm special and say it's buffed so you are all wrong" will ever change this fact.

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@(PS4)balanceguardian You can either start appreciating the quanta vandal or start accepting that you gotta be more active yourself than just spam-clicking LMB. There are so many weapons that can go WAY longer than synoid simulor ever could. Since you don't seem to like any primary weapon as can be seen in your 2nd last sentence, you could give melees such as orthos prime a try.

you don't do crit build now that's where ur going wrong

[IceColdHawk]

2 minutes ago, LinaCrysta said:

you don't do crit build now that's where ur going wrong

1. Not my video.

2. Look at the stats again. 25% CC with point strike aka 10% without, which are the stats that were crit viable. Now it's stealth nerfed to 5% and thus even weaker than what got shown in the video.

Edited April 30, 2017 by IceColdHawk

[ravend]

They nerfed the simulor? That's awesome, I may play again.

[Gelkor]

I never used it except for rank and bank, I still use my Rakta Cernos for everything.

Edited April 30, 2017 by Gelkor

[DreamsmithJane]

10 hours ago, (PS4)balanceguardian said:

whats the point of using a primary now if its will either kill you, only kill whats in front of you, or just cant dish out enough damage to be viable.

What?

"Why use a gun that only kills what you point it at?"

Literally?

What fresh hell is this?

Just...use a Quanta (Vandal, if possible). Maybe Zarr, so even if you're not happy it can kill you, at least you have one fire mode that won't. Now excuse me while I facepalm for a few minutes...

[ComCray]

16 hours ago, (PS4)balanceguardian said:

im MR16 and i have no intention of weapon hunting any more. No patience for it any more, i just want something that still wrecks whenever i choose to play, yet atm every time i get back on my weapons are gone to S#&$ and i end up just using melee most of the time

Try aiming. I know, as a simulor fanboi that must sound horrific but it really does work.

[Volinus7]

Wait until they release new Farmville tools bois.

[(PSN)HaterReplicator]

Panthera. I know there are some that are laughing at that name probably, but that gun is so good now.