New Starter Warframes.

[KnightCole]

If anything, put Oberon as the starter, so some people can avoid the eximus drop rate of him.  Oberon is wierd in that hes rare to get the 1st time, but then after that, you get enough to create your own army of Oberon. 

[(PSN)big_eviljak]

44 minutes ago, Almagnus1 said:

Then DE should fix Archwing so it doesn't suck.  Besides, he's currently locked behind the Jordas Precept quest, which would make him a quest frame - and those should **NOT** be starter frames.

Disagree, no more quest. Starter

[Almagnus1]

43 minutes ago, KnightCole said:

If anything, put Oberon as the starter, so some people can avoid the eximus drop rate of him.  Oberon is wierd in that hes rare to get the 1st time, but then after that, you get enough to create your own army of Oberon. 

Well duh, everyone should have their own Broberarmy =P

36 minutes ago, (PS4)big_eviljak said:

Disagree, no more quest. Starter

We need powerful frames locked behind quests (and Atlas is one of the best in the game) so quests feel like they're worth doing.

Or maybe you just need to git gud at archwing?

[LuckyCharm]

Instead of changing the starters they need to change up drop locations first. Excalibur should 100% not be on a super high level planet like pluto. Its hardly the incentive to do those high level higher skill bosses if you get frames you could have chosen in the beginning. 

[Vafthrudnir]

Remove Volt so people don't get him by error. Picking Volt as starter frame is the worst thing you can do.

[Yhonix]

Volt is way better than Loki was.

[Justice_Ember]

Out of the people I've brought to WF only one choose Excal, and no one has had regrets #NoRagrets

[-Temp0-]

19 hours ago, Volt said:

I'm going to say no, only because Rhino makes the game too easy for new players, as would Frost. I'd agree with switching Mag out for perhaps Oberon, or even Loki again. Mag's a little too advanced and powerful to be considered a Starter anymore, imho.

For new players game already isn't easy. Since before you get the genral idea of what you're doing and mods you don't need any more complications, as you don't have auras and mods you can barely use abilities anyway.

No reasons to make it harder. Plus Rhino drops very early anyway, Frost on the other hand drops too late.

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Wrong. Atlas rarity is the reason hes so under played

No it's not. He just sucks.

[PrVonTuckIII]

Excal (Offence), Nyx (CC/Caster), and perhaps Loki (Stealth).

[(PSN)Kallastin]

21 hours ago, Chipputer said:

Putting Frost in the starter frame list shows complete lack of awareness on how powerful Frost is, on anybody's part.

The current 3 frames are fine as they are. Excalibur has to stay-- he's the poster boy for the game. Volt is a decent frame that introduces you to using powers for Damage, CC, and Support, and Mag is a slightly more advanced but still approachable frame that introduces you to using powers specifically to control the battlefield and support allies.

Putting a frame that has a health heal in the starter rotation would do nothing but make them the optimal choice so that's a bad idea. Which would you pick? The frame that can pull things or the frame that's described as being able to strike down foes while healing allies?

I know how OP Frost can be. That was put into consideration. I wanted frost to be a starter frame because he is good for new players. Period. New players most of the time have a really tough time. So frost would be nice, same with rhino. 

[PrVonTuckIII]

2 minutes ago, (PS4)strasserhouse said:

I know how OP Frost can be. That was put into consideration. I wanted frost to be a starter frame because he is good for new players. Period. New players most of the time have a really tough time. So frost would be nice, same with rhino. 

Exactly. He's too good. He easily trivializes early-game content, and we don't want that. We want new players to find the game at least somewhat challenging, not run through it with Frost or Rhino.

[(PSN)Kallastin]

Just now, PrVonTuckIII said:

Exactly. He's too good. He easily trivializes early-game content, and we don't want that. We want new players to find the game at least somewhat challenging, not run through it with Frost or Rhino.

This is a very thin way to say this. Most new players are uneducated when they are new to warframe. Warframe isn't exactly the easiest game to get into and understand fairly well. I have helped so many noobs its unreal. This game needs something helpful for new players to have. You start with (hopefully) excalibur. (Saying that would only prove my point.) I have helped new players who chose both Mag and volt, and they were not happy with there choice. People who pick excal are usually very happy with there choice. But aside the little amount of text you receive when you choose. Excal compared to Mag and volt is op. And new players are not informed with there pick. 

[Grilleds]

Right now Excal is far and away the best starter frame. Mag takes a while to really shine, and Volt is pretty hit or miss depending on playstyle. Excal on the other hand has 4 incredibly useful abilities right off the bat that remain useful in almost every situation even into lategame. Doesn't help that both Volt and Mag have some somewhat hidden mechanics that aren't fully explained ingame, while Excal is pretty straightforward.

 

I'm not really thinking we need to change anything here, but if you guy's insist, perhaps trading out Mag with Ember. Again, not really sure we need to change the starting frames even with Excal clearly being the best for a new player. The problem is mainly that anyone we switch out with would come with their own issues.

[Vanrythzx]

On 16.5.2017 at 2:52 AM, GOLANX said:

we dont need new starters they should just build the frames with the fact that they are starters in mind, allowing each to give you a taste of what is to come. also excal should be available earlier than pluto, starters should be easy to get for newbies

that's true, but with excal, you can do any content, regardless of enemy lvl, or yours

[Chity]

Mag isn't hard to learn, and is relatively strong with the rework. New players see her as the CC "knock everyone over" frame, later players see her as strong and advanced. Volt is the one I could see switching, it needs to be aesthetically different from the other two and be simple. The frame can not have a strong early game. While I love Oberon, he slaughters the early game. Same with Rhino. Them and Loki are the best starter options, so in my opinion they should just make Loki more accessible for new players and leave it at that, unless they were to make a new frame to fit in as a new starter.

[-N7-Leonhart]

On 5/15/2017 at 8:06 PM, (PS4)strasserhouse said:

Alrighty, So i believe that we need some new starter frames. And with that being said i would like to ask every tenno on this website...We could use a starter warframe rotation. 

As it stands, there are three main starter warframes that new players have to start with. Currently in the roster, there are three warframes new players can choose from. Excalibur, Mag, and Volt. I would like to swap out Mag and Volt for more useful and overall easier warframes for the new players to get a hold of. Those two would be Rhino, and Frost. These two warframes i have always suggest new players get. They are really nice for new players to use, They have up front abilities that are always helpful in any mission new players are faced with. 

The reason why i am making this thread is because the amount of people who have complained that there warframe is not fun,, Or not helpful. Because lets be honest, Mag is a somewhat hard frame to learn. 800+ Hours later into this game i still can't get a grasp of her. 

So i leave this question to you. Do you think we need a Starter frame rotation?

There is no need for starter frames rotations. After all, there is no way the players that didn't even started playing this game have gotten bored of the starter frames or something.

Then, from what point of view do you speak? A veteran's input on the matter is meaningless. Of course you would have gotten bored of Excalibur thus far...

But if I am to know one thing for certain, is the fact that they will never change Excalibur as a starter. After all, Excalibur is THE legendary poster of Warframe and also the first frame/tenno that awoke from sleep. 

[mplokijuhygtfrdeszqa]

On 5/15/2017 at 8:24 PM, Chipputer said:

Putting a frame that has a health heal in the starter rotation would do nothing but make them the optimal choice so that's a bad idea. Which would you pick? The frame that can pull things or the frame that's described as being able to strike down foes while healing allies?

The one that deal the most damage. Against low-level enemies, healing slows the game for no reason: just grab a weapon and shoot. Mag in the other hand is able to kill all enemy in front of you, even those you don't see, silently, from the start of the game and until level 15-20. Mag is the best starting frame, and by far, only god-mode-Limbo could compete - and maybe Octavia and her grenade.

 

On 5/16/2017 at 10:02 PM, Grilleds said:

Mag takes a while to really shine

Mag shine anytime she one-shot enemies with her 1. That is, from level 1 to level 15-20 (enough to get rhino, nova, trinity, limbo, etc). Excal isn't as good since he can't kill stuff that fast, Volt requires a LoS and his area is a smaller.

 

On 5/16/2017 at 1:13 AM, Almagnus1 said:

Atlas should stay rare as that's one of the few incentives left in the game to get a decent archwing rig built out.

You need a decent archwing to beat a punching ball? O_o

 

On 5/16/2017 at 10:58 AM, LuckyCharm said:

Instead of changing the starters they need to change up drop locations first. Excalibur should 100% not be on a super high level planet like pluto. Its hardly the incentive to do those high level higher skill bosses if you get frames you could have chosen in the beginning. 

And now the boss itself is locked behind ambulas. Randomly appearing ambulas. "Yo dawg, I heard you like warframe, so I put rng inside your rng so you can hope for a good rng while hoping for a good rng".

It makes a lot sense to increase the grinding for new players, I guess, as it makes sense to put low-level rewards on locked endgame content. I don't really care actually, as I don't care why Vitality is a reward for Pluto missions (a trollface would make more sense).

 

Edited May 18, 2017 by mplokijuhygtfrdeszqa

[Birdframe_Prime]

I had a whole explanation written, logically going through every available frame and looking at the strengths, weaknesses, the difficulty and basic stumbling blocks that each frame would have for new players...

My logical thought brought me to only one frame that would work as a starter frame, Nyx to be clear, because of the balance on the abilities and the potential growth of player skill through levelling up the frame and taking part in the first sections and quests of the game.

Then the real answer hit me: starter frames are not supposed to be the ones that are most useful to a player, not the ones that are most helpful. Rhino is the most versatile frame for new players, and he's mastery rank locked. Why do you think that is?

It's because DE want to give you frames that have a low-entry/high-ceiling balance. A frame that will allow players to learn the game, but not have the specialisation of the others. They want you to play the game, to see these more interesting frames and try to get them.

They make the starter frames available again later so you can re-attain them if you swap them out for something else, because they have really high ends they can get to once you know how to play, but that's the point.

DE want you to progress, not be handed something that's instantly strong and keep making it stronger. Where's the fun in starting a game with the best kit?

[KnightCole]

Lol, we could just make Excalibur the only frame you can get as a newbie and move Oberon from Eximus units to Ambulas.....or a more powerful frame to Ambulas and put Oberon on a Boss drop....

[Almagnus1]

4 hours ago, mplokijuhygtfrdeszqa said:

 Excal isn't as good since he can't kill stuff that fast

Please go watch this....

 

4 hours ago, mplokijuhygtfrdeszqa said:

You need a decent archwing to beat a punching ball? O_o

Yes, you need to have some semblance of a decent gun or it's going to take forever to kill it and you'll probably die from other stuff in the boss arena long before it's dead - so it works well as incentive to build out your archwing stuff and acquire mods so you can quickly take out the boss.

And that's exactly what I've had to do going from almost zero time invested in archwing to getting a Grattler/Odonata Prime setup running by acquiring the mods to make it work.

So in addition to Atlas being a quest frame (and those SHOULD NOT be starter frames under any circumstance), Atlas is also the only one locked behind archwing content - and archwing needs to retain all the existing content it currently has.

[mplokijuhygtfrdeszqa]

4 hours ago, Almagnus1 said:

Please go watch this....

 

Did you read the title? Or are you just writing message on random threads to promote your youtube channel?

The title is "new starter warframe". "Starter warframe". This mean: the warframe people can get at the very beginning of the game. Now explain: how can anyone get a berserker or buzz kill at the beginning of the game?

You're talking nonsense.

About archwings: odonatrash prime is trash. You're right somehow, i guess it's a bit hard to beat jordas using a potatoed level 30 odonatrash prime (with grattler). Use a level 10 amesha (without potatoe) and you'll see: jordas is a boring punching ball. Now equip your level 10 amesha with a level 20 cyngas (instead of your grattler) and you will kill it a bit faster (it will be as boring, but for a shorter time). You don't need a grattler to hit an hitbox bigger than you (i don't have every archwing weapon, maybe some are even better than cyngas - but i can guaranty grattler isn't very good against jordas). With a high level amesha you can perma-slow, it's handy but not required.

Anyway, even if new players could get an odonatrash prime, they could't get it by playing archwing. They can't get a grattler or a cyngas by playing archwing (the former requires 2 tellurium, they can get it as login reward). They can't get an amesha by playing archwing; they get it by joining a clan and collecting 10 nitains during non-archwing alerts.

So they have to play archwing to level amesha up to 10 (while doing so, their cynga levels up to 20). And then they can go and attack the punching ball. "collect 10 nitain and level up to 10" is far from "get a decent archwing". The hardest part of getting altas is killing the juggernaut (at the very beginning of the quest); that's saying a lot: atlas isn't hard to get, he's just boring to get.

 

Edited May 18, 2017 by mplokijuhygtfrdeszqa

[(PSN)big_eviljak]

On 5/15/2017 at 9:42 PM, Almagnus1 said:

Well duh, everyone should have their own Broberarmy =P

We need powerful frames locked behind quests (and Atlas is one of the best in the game) so quests feel like they're worth doing.

Or maybe you just need to git gud at archwing?

Atlas is the least used frame in the whole game. I agree with u that hes one of the best. I love the fact that i can wreck any enemy at any lvl and rarely fall.

 

But new players is what we are concerned here with. New players would excell with a hard hitter like atlas starting out....and its easy to say people need to "get gud"....look at the statistics on most  used and least used frames....atlas is at the bottom. So few people want to mess with the boring questline, so a really great frame goes unused. Things need to change.

[Almagnus1]

2 hours ago, mplokijuhygtfrdeszqa said:

Did you read the title? Or are you just writing message on random threads to promote your youtube channel?

Not my video, but it's the shortest one to counter the "Excal isn't strong".  At low level's he's a psuedo tank because of his armor, shields, and HP that can do damage and grow into something good.

2 hours ago, mplokijuhygtfrdeszqa said:

The title is "new starter warframe". "Starter warframe". This mean: the warframe people can get at the very beginning of the game. Now explain: how can anyone get a berserker or buzz kill at the beginning of the game?

Easy, they get gifts from more experience players.

It's unheard of, but it can happen.

2 hours ago, mplokijuhygtfrdeszqa said:

About archwings: odonatrash prime is trash. You're right somehow, i guess it's a bit hard to beat jordas using a potatoed level 30 odonatrash prime (with grattler). Use a level 10 amesha (without potatoe) and you'll see: jordas is a boring punching ball. Now equip your level 10 amesha with a level 20 cyngas (instead of your grattler) and you will kill it a bit faster (it will be as boring, but for a shorter time). You don't need a grattler to hit an hitbox bigger than you (i don't have every archwing weapon, maybe some are even better than cyngas - but i can guaranty grattler isn't very good against jordas). With a high level amesha you can perma-slow, it's handy but not required.

Grattler's the only crit status weapon, and the Cygnas isn't very good because it's a status weapon.

Now if you had mentioned archwing gear like the Itzal, Fluctus or Velocitron, I might have taken you seriously...

2 hours ago, mplokijuhygtfrdeszqa said:

So they have to play archwing to level amesha up to 10 (while doing so, their cynga levels up to 20). And then they can go and attack the punching ball. "collect 10 nitain and level up to 10" is far from "get a decent archwing". The hardest part of getting altas is killing the juggernaut (at the very beginning of the quest); that's saying a lot: atlas isn't hard to get, he's just boring to get.

Or... maybe a big problem with archwing (and the one that I had) was that you have to go farm out your basic mods becuase the game doesn't shower you with mods like the ground game, so having a boss like the Jordas Golem gives the players a way to see how good their archwing configurations are.

Maybe if you had a higher DPS arch-gun, it wouldn't be as problematic for you?

[Almagnus1]

2 hours ago, (PS4)big_eviljak said:

Atlas is the least used frame in the whole game. I agree with u that hes one of the best. I love the fact that i can wreck any enemy at any lvl and rarely fall.

 

But new players is what we are concerned here with. New players would excell with a hard hitter like atlas starting out....and its easy to say people need to "get gud"....look at the statistics on most  used and least used frames....atlas is at the bottom. So few people want to mess with the boring questline, so a really great frame goes unused. Things need to change.

A QQer suggested we make Atlas a starter frame... which started the entire discussion on the Jordas Golem and archwing.

[(PSN)big_eviljak]

1 hour ago, Almagnus1 said:

A QQer suggested we make Atlas a starter frame... which started the entire discussion on the Jordas Golem and archwing.

I suggested atlas be a starter. I believe he should be, and the jordas golem can become a derelict boss, and drop a specific mod or two.